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    1. 08-29-2003 03:25 PM #141
      You know, I've been thinking about why some of these companies refuse to publish spring rates. Could it be that their quality control is so poor that they're afraid of someone actually measuring their springs and finding out how far they are from the specified rates?

      I really can't think of any other explanation; as stated before, if a competitor wanted their rates, they could quickly and easily buy a set of springs and get them measured.


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      08-30-2003 03:36 AM #142
      I know my H&R rates for my MK3.

      800lb fr
      515lb rr

      Oh yeah these are Group "G" race springs.


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      08-31-2003 06:59 PM #143
      What ??? 800# front springs ?

    4. 09-02-2003 02:10 AM #144
      Quote, originally posted by 9VW23yrs »
      KW published front coil over spring rates
      Available rates, first number = rate in N/mm; second number =spring length in mm.

      50-170 =285 lb/inch
      60-170 =342 lb/inch
      70-170 =400 lb/inch these are the ones mine came with for 4cyl mk4 G/J
      80-170 =457 lb/inch
      90-170 =514 lb inch
      100-170 =571 lb/inch
      110-170 =628 lb/inch
      120-170 =685 lb/inch

      What spring number (xx-170)do the ones for the 6cyl mk4 have ?

      i dont understand this O_o

      whats the spring rates for KW v1 and v2 coilovers for a 4cyl mk4? i know the bilstein pss-9 is like 350f 300r so im trying to compare


    5. 09-03-2003 06:40 PM #145
      Skunk2 Race Springs:

      2.0L Golf/Jetta III
      450 lb/inch all round


    6. 09-03-2003 07:29 PM #146
      Can anyone post rates for Shine's Mk3 VR6 GTi rates? I've only seen Mk4/2 rates, no Mk3 support.

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      09-03-2003 08:28 PM #147
      Quote, originally posted by joyofdriving »
      Can anyone post rates for Shine's Mk3 VR6 GTi rates? I've only seen Mk4/2 rates, no Mk3 support.

      300 front
      200 rear
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    8. 09-03-2003 10:00 PM #148
      I think someone should put all the rates together and then ask the moderator to make it as a sticky on top. This would be a very needed thread.

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      09-05-2003 12:30 PM #149
      Post more for mk2's thanks. Wolf 1.8, don't even reply.

    10. 09-05-2003 12:34 PM #150
      Quote, originally posted by speedtriple43 »
      Post more for mk2's thanks. Wolf 1.8, don't even reply.

      sorry for pointing out the obvious!!! I'll try harder NOT to help in the future


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      09-05-2003 12:58 PM #151
      You know, I did a quick check and there really aren't many posts about MK II spring rates (other than Shine, other than someone using MKIII VR6 Shine springs on his MKII, and a post about skunk 2s with rates that are much too high for a daily driver). Mostly MKIII and MKIV stuff (and my B4 info )

      Which MKII rates have I missed?


      Modified by f1forkvr6 at 12:05 PM 9-5-2003

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    12. 09-05-2003 02:13 PM #152
      there are some though and that was my point

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      09-06-2003 01:09 PM #153
      Quote, originally posted by f1forkvr6 »
      You know, I did a quick check and there really aren't many posts about MK II spring rates (other than Shine, other than someone using MKIII VR6 Shine springs on his MKII, and a post about skunk 2s with rates that are much too high for a daily driver). Mostly MKIII and MKIV stuff (and my B4 info )

      Which MKII rates have I missed?


      Modified by f1forkvr6 at 12:05 PM 9-5-2003

      Thanks, I'd like to know about neuspeeds, h&rs, and eibachs mostly. Any others would be helpfull.
      You just can't stop can you wolf.


    14. 09-10-2003 10:37 PM #154
      MK2 Cheap RPI coil-overs w/KYB shocks
      1.75in drop

      ft:450lb
      rr:350lb

      doesn't hurt the innards!
      JRo


    15. 09-28-2003 06:18 PM #155
      Quote, originally posted by Sandlock »
      if anyone has KW var2 rates for mark3's id like that too. ive heard wietec and kw are one in the same, so for either, thanks in advance

      Kw Var 2

      70-170 Front Main
      20-60-80 Tender Spring

      50-250 Rear Main
      20-60-80 Rear Tender


    16. 01-09-2004 07:13 PM #156
      Sorry to bring this back from the dead, but I now have verified spring rates for the Autotech Clubsport (1.8T and 2.0L). These are progressive springs custom made for this application, you cannot buy them alone. Looking at the working rates there is a striking simialrity to the Shine setup (Dick will probably flip that I dare compare his linears to some progressive spring, but too bad!).

      FT initial rate: 120lb/in
      FT final rate: 265lb/in
      FT working rate: 200-250lb/in

      RR initial rate: 100lb/in
      RR final rate: 180lb/in
      RR working rate: ~150-180lb/in


    17. 01-12-2004 07:43 PM #157
      Einsig if you put these springs in a tester and measure them at the installed lengths you will be shocked at what you find! They are linear!

      Dick Shine


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      06-16-2004 03:22 PM #158
      deleted....

      I just bought 337 suspension set and am curious about how good they are.


      Modified by ryker77 at 7:52 PM 6-16-2004


    19. 06-16-2004 03:45 PM #159
      The reason I did not post that picture myself is because the spring tester may not be accurate, which makes this result "not verified", therefore does not belong to this topic. Once the spring is tested again by a different tester, a more modern and accurate one, then it will be safe to post it.....

    20. 06-16-2004 05:37 PM #160
      What would be a good spring to match up w/ bilstein sports on a MK3 GTI VR6


      I know lowing the car too much will not give optimal performace, but i'm not racing or auto xing....just having fun driving on Long Island roads...looking to lower 1.5-2 front and rear matched w/ a rear sway bar...

      so what would be good springs to do this...and what would the rates be?


    21. 06-16-2004 05:52 PM #161
      Bilstein Pss9 spring rates are 400fr. / 315rr. ... I just wanted to clarify that cause someone had put the wrong spring rates for the pss9's earlier...

    22. 06-21-2004 07:52 PM #162
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      I verified with Eibach on two separate occasions regarding the spring rate… It is 131lbs. What makes the car not bottom out is the fact that it is linear rate. I know when I had the H&R sports on the car, it was lower although the springs are technical stiffer. Also, the bump stop acts as a secondary spring to prevent the suspension from bottoming out. I have an Autotech lower tie-bar and I haven’t had any clearance problems with the Pro-System.

      Not to dig up a dead horse...I thought the very definition of bottoming out was when you hit the bump-stops.


    23. 06-22-2004 06:03 PM #163
      can someone please explain in detail what spring rate is????

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      06-22-2004 06:05 PM #164
      You'll find an explanation on the first page Here
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      06-22-2004 07:39 PM #165
      Quote, originally posted by cburkart »
      You know, I've been thinking about why some of these companies refuse to publish spring rates. Could it be that their quality control is so poor that they're afraid of someone actually measuring their springs and finding out how far they are from the specified rates?

      Many companies don't publish the rates because typical street application type people don't need the information, and don't know what the information means.

      Many people will simply look for the spring with the highest rates and buy those. Obviously any spring can easily be measured for spring rate, so there's no hiding the facts, but some companies cater their springs differently, and it isn't always the rate that's most important.


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      06-22-2004 08:03 PM #166
      Quote, originally posted by MikekiM »

      Many companies don't publish the rates because typical street application type people don't need the information, and don't know what the information means.

      warning ... [rant=on]
      But - should a potential customer request this information, it would be much better from a customer relationship standpoint to release this information. Why take a hard stand against releasing spring rates, when as you've stated, they can be easily measured? I'm sure it's policy, and has nothing to do with quality control, but it seems to be a pretty silly policy. Folks who could care less about the spring rate won't ask, and others who want to make an informed decision, and are capable of doing so, should have unfettered access to the details about the product they are about to buy. [/rant]
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    27. 06-22-2004 09:52 PM #167
      Potential story ...... A guy just tested his Stock front Golf springs and the result was about 150 lb spring rate. Then he wants to enhance the handling of his car, by lowering it and stiffening it. He reads that a company called H&R sells their "Sport" springs. He reads on the website that their "Sport" springs are xx % stiffer than Stock and about 1.5" lower than stock, this way to stiffen the ride and lower the center of gravity, so it is all win-win situation ...... so, he calls them and asks about the springs rates, just for curiosity, as he already knows his Golf's stock values to be 150 ....... the answer he gets is: 130 lb/in Front and 137 lb/in Rear! .....

      So, I guess it will be very difficult for the rep. to explain how exactly the new, enhancing-handling, stiffening-the-ride "Sport" spring is actually softer than the one it replaces..... Yeah, the guy does not really understand much about spring rate values, but he would surely know that 130 is less than 150......

      At that particular point the rep. has to explain that it is all good, because those "Sport" springs have to be installed with those "Sport" dampers, which have very stiff bump stops, and because the spring is too short, the car sits nicely on the buffers, which do add a lot of spring rate, so TOGETHER with the low rate "Sport" spring, now we sure have higher than stock spring rates, so "stiffer" ride is now understandable....... But try telling that to a potential customer and see how many would gladly accept the news that they have to ride on their buffers all the time as to get the "enhanced" handling.


    28. 06-23-2004 09:12 PM #168
      Manufacturer:JIC-Magic Cross Sport Coilovers
      Vehicle: MKIV Jetta/Golf
      Spring Type: Linear
      FT Rate: 8kg (448)
      RR Rate: 5 kg (280)

      I love my coilovers...


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      06-23-2004 11:02 PM #169
      Quote, originally posted by f1forkvr6 »

      But - should a potential customer request this information, it would be much better from a customer relationship standpoint to release this information.

      I agree wholeheartedly.

      Quote »

      ...Folks who could care less about the spring rate won't ask, and others who want to make an informed decision, and are capable of doing so, should have unfettered access to the details about the product they are about to buy.

      Well, I think LOTS of people will ask just for the sake of asking, then have no basis with which to compare to. For example, people are always asking what xyz spring's rates are, without even knowing what they're got on the car to begin with. At that point, the spring rate isn't very useful.

      In any case, most professionals serious about racing and performance run a standard size, 2.5", 60mm, or whatnot, which becomes a moot point, as all those rates are typically released.


    30. 07-16-2004 03:50 PM #170
      Looks like these have come to the market. Not exactly verified, as the info is just from their site. Nice to have more options though.

      Manufacturer: Tein (S.tech lowering spring)
      Vehicle: MKIV Golf 4-cylinder and VR6 models
      Lowering F/R: 1.5"/1.6"
      FT Rate: 196
      RR Rate: 179


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      07-16-2004 05:16 PM #171
      Those rates seem a bit low for that amout of drop.
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    32. 10-08-2004 11:57 AM #172
      I thought the Eibachs were supposed to be progressive rate?

    33. 10-08-2004 12:44 PM #173

      is anyone planning on putting this great information all together in one table or something??...

      great work everyone..


    34. 10-08-2004 06:03 PM #174
      so what is the stiffest (or one of the stiffer) springs that lower the car at least 1.5, 1.6 or 1.75 from stock ride height? THanks

    35. 10-14-2004 07:00 PM #175
      Quote, originally posted by abog24 »
      so what is the stiffest (or one of the stiffer) springs that lower the car at least 1.5, 1.6 or 1.75 from stock ride height? THanks

      anyone??


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