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    1. 05-20-2003 09:14 PM #101
      so have you tested neuspeed springs? im interested in neuspeed springs, and i was wondering if their spring rates are correct or not.
      im wanting a 1.5 in drop, maybe a little more but no more then 2 inches. i want a good handling car, at least better then stock, i dont need a car that can turn on a dime at 100mph, i just want a car that is fun as heck to drive in the mountains around here. i want a good feel but not a bouncy ride, harsher then stock is ok, but i dont need a trampoline ya know what im sayin? so dick what would you recommend for that? from all the setups of yours i usually dont see any lowering, i have seen some where the front end LOOKS higher *i dont know if it actually is or not* but i do want some lowering cause to me wheel gap is ugly as hell. so if you could make a setup that would fit my needs i dont see why i would buy anything but a Shine setup. but do you have any other thoughts about a setup from a different company.
      also how much would you charge to lower a car 1.5 inches and make it handle sweet? without being too harsh? im 18 so i dont have a ton of cash im looking for somewhere around 600-750ish? think you could do something for me?

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      05-20-2003 09:28 PM #102
      Quote, originally posted by 2002gtibluvr6 »
      im wanting a 1.5 in drop, maybe a little more but no more then 2 inches .... i want a good handling car, at least better then stock ....

      Not really possible with at 2" drop (using factory suspension mounting points) ... unless you want to have spring rates that you'd hate to live with on a daily basis.
      Age old choice ... look at your car, or drive it.
      No more VW
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      05-21-2003 12:51 AM #103
      Quote, originally posted by f1forkvr6 »
      Not really possible with at 2" drop (using factory suspension mounting points) ... unless you want to have spring rates that you'd hate to live with on a daily basis.
      Age old choice ... look at your car, or drive it.

      I second this... 2" drop would require springs that will knock your teeth out... not to mention of cost for racing dampers to control the high rate springs.

    4. 05-21-2003 04:38 AM #104
      Quote, originally posted by 1stVR6 »
      I second this... 2" drop would require springs that will knock your teeth out... not to mention of cost for racing dampers to control the high rate springs.

      Man, I really wish the shine v. All suspension test had worked out so that you guys could put some actual numbers behind your mindless rehashing of hearsay. You guys are claiming some stupid ****. I have almost a 2 inch drop and my car handles rediculously better than stock. Yes, I do autocross and have experienced both stock and my current setup at the limit. And no, the ride is not teeth-jarringly stiff. Unless off-the-shelf koni's are considered "race dampers"... Whatever happened to this being an informative spring rate post???

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      05-21-2003 06:41 AM #105
      Quote, originally posted by slogtiguy »
      Unless off-the-shelf koni's are considered "race dampers"... Whatever happened to this being an informative spring rate post???

      Yup - you're right ... we've strayed way off topic. What spring rates are you using to handle "ridiculously better than stock" with a 2" drop? Where do you have your Koni's set f/r?
      No more VW
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    6. 05-21-2003 02:13 PM #106
      The konis are set at 3/5 front and 2/5 rear, and the springs are the vogtland sport springs which can be found earlier in this post. They're 200-300lb./in. front and 170-230lb./in. rear. Assisting them are polyu. LCA bushings and a lower front tie bar.

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      05-21-2003 07:48 PM #107
      Ha Ha, I finally won something!! I got you all beat. Shine racing only coilovers with 600 front and 400 rear. And I shamelessly endorse Mr. Shines products, professionalism and knowledge of our endearing VW cars.
      Quote, originally posted by Stephane Trahan »
      All professionnaly race fwd cars in NA usually run a front to rear factor of 2-3 to 2-5 rate factor...my cars use 800f and 1200r...most acuras (realtime and all) range from 750f-1100r to 1000f to 3000r.
      [Modified by Stephane Trahan, 7:07 AM 4-8-2003]
      Also wanted to clarify why this set-up won't work on a VW. Hondas and Acuras have the spring/coil over located only half-way down the length of the rear control arm reducing its "leverage" acting on the rear suspension, therefore it needs almost TWICE the rear spring rate as a VW to achieve about the same effective rate. Make sense to you?
      have fun and play safe

    8. 05-21-2003 09:53 PM #108
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      05-22-2003 01:31 AM #109
      So, any A1 spring rates?
      Here's my setup....
      I'm running Ground Control/Eibach at 300F, and 200R, with 22mmF and 28mmR solid sway bars. Bilstein sport dampers (came with the car). The car is setup arms level with a very slight droop in the back. I also "sag balanced" the suspension by taking ride height measurements before and while I was in the car, and then adjusting the perches so that it would sit equally L/R when I was in it. It's crude but better than nothing.
      I am pretty happy with it so far.
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    10. 05-22-2003 01:14 PM #110

      I was a SRSVW this week
      A great atmosphere to hang out and ask alot of questions:
      The front Eibach's pros for 2001 B5 were 290 as measured by Dick
      about 27% stiffer than the stock front springs
      What a difference
      The interesting thing is the previous b5 guy who had a suspension upgrade at Shine
      had much stiffer stock springs to start with. (i think i have this right)
      but his Eibach's were also 290
      good QC from Eibach IMHO
      I can't remember the rear numbers....
      I Also got the Shine Bar -The passat does almost no"plowing" in the turns

    11. 05-26-2003 10:33 AM #111
      KW published front coil over spring rates
      Available rates, first number = rate in N/mm; second number =spring length in mm.
      50-170 =285 lb/inch
      60-170 =342 lb/inch
      70-170 =400 lb/inch these are the ones mine came with for 4cyl mk4 G/J
      80-170 =457 lb/inch
      90-170 =514 lb inch
      100-170 =571 lb/inch
      110-170 =628 lb/inch
      120-170 =685 lb/inch
      What spring number (xx-170)do the ones for the 6cyl mk4 have ?

    12. 06-01-2003 01:56 PM #112
      okay..it is becoming increasingly difficult to decipher posted spring rates in the quagmire of aimless chatting.....so can somebody please delineate these spring rates for me: Neuspeed race springs for mk3 VR6 and the Ground Control basic sleeve-over kit for mk3 VR6?
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      Modified by woodyVR6 at 6:58 PM 6-1-2003

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      06-01-2003 03:43 PM #113
      alexb,
      Where's the H&R rates??

    14. 06-27-2003 11:52 AM #114
      bringing it back from archives...

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      07-03-2003 02:41 AM #115
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    16. 07-03-2003 03:39 AM #116
      Quote, originally posted by melman8r »
      alexb,
      Where's the H&R rates??

      Well, I was away for a month (Europe) and didn't visit Vortex. I've been after getting the H&R rates, but was not successfull so far. I've been told that they're not going to publish their rates so other companies won't copy their rates. I've called and followed at every level. The closest thing I could get was that Nuespeed used to have H&R as supplier and their springs are close to what they had before with H&R. H&R supposed to be a little softer than Nuespeed, so Nuespeed rates give or take a few.

    17. 07-03-2003 03:27 PM #117
      emailed APR for rates on their RollControl springs.
      35% stiffer than stock 337 springs, they don't release specific rates.
      According to Jeremy, HR springs are slightly stiffer than RollControls. Linear rate for VW applications.
      so far, I'm torn between HR Sport, RollControl, and Vogtland...


      Modified by genxguy at 5:36 PM 7-3-2003

    18. 07-10-2003 08:36 PM #118
      The rates for the Vogtland that you quoted on pg 1, are they for the Competition springs or the Red Violet springs? Thanks.

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      07-11-2003 01:30 AM #119
      For the Vogtland Sports. Competitions are about another 10-20% stiffer.

    20. 07-11-2003 02:30 AM #120
      skunk2 coilovers for mk2
      400# all the way around..
      this is the info they gave me on the fone when i called them

    21. 07-11-2003 06:26 PM #121

      Copy H&R spring rates!! That is one of the funniest things I have ever heard!
      The reason they dont quote rates is largely because the salesmen dont know and cant measure them.They dont have an engineer in this country!!! It is a simple thing to measure springs.Even the supposed progressives.It is H&Rs choice to not release the numbers to the consumer. I dont know about everyone else,but I wont do business with a company that wont support their product.You may if you choose,This is America after all. I have most H&R rates because I have taken the time to measure them. None were even close to the claimed rates when I was lucky enough to get them.If you want to know the rates (the real rates) you have to measure and test them.I will test them for you if you want to bring them by or send them.I dont keep my rates secret because you cant make a reasonable decision without the information.We should all put pressure on all these people that think their springs are magic and the rate is as secret as the formula for CocaCola
      This is just an absurd situation!! I can assure you that no racing team buys springs without all the pertinent engineering data.It just isnt done!!Dont settle for this BULL.

      Just my rant (I am worse with age) Dick Shine

    22. 08-02-2003 05:05 PM #122
      Dick's right, most people who sell their products (H+R) have no idea what their doing. They have no idea what their trying to push .... it sayys race so it must handle better .......... I have ridden in a SRS MK IV setup and it was simply awesome. 2x better than my previous Neuspeed sport / Bilstein 28mm RSB setup .... But I couldn't cope with the non-existant drop and yes stiff setup.... So now i'm on PSS 9's and about the same level of the Shine real street with a excessive 1.75" Drop and no RSB .... Just as stiff. Considering adding a Shine rear O bar but that's another subject, Dick ?
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    23. 08-02-2003 07:13 PM #123
      O man don't dare call Dick Shines rear bar an O bar...they are similar but NOT near the same quality. better delete that part of your post if you. FWIW he's not to fond of the pss-9 as their heighest setting is still 1" drop, and as us Shine disciples know is to low for an mk4...

    24. 08-02-2003 10:57 PM #124
      As I stated, I couldn't live with the non existant drop of the SRS kit, although I could live with the awesome handling of it, Yes my car is a compromise between looks and performance, I'm the first to admit to it. I'm not setup properly ... Im also running a purely asthetitcs wheel tire combo which does not help my handling situation 235/45/17 front and 245/40/17 on 8.5" and 10" Rims. So I'm screwed from the get-go. Sorry about the O bar comment Dick, I will be in touch with you concerning your RSB?, Soon.
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    25. 08-03-2003 04:10 PM #125
      Darren You seem like a nice guy so I will let it slide! Just kidding. I get really incensed when I hear my product mentioned in the same sentence as that inferior knockoff. It sounds like you did your homework and ended up with something that meets all of your needs! Great,that is what this is all about! I know that my kit isnt for everyone and talk as many people out of it as ones I sell. Thats OK.
      Dick Shine

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