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    Thread: 2001 Audi TT 225 APR Stage 1 Concern

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      06-29-2013 10:44 PM #1
      Hey everyone, I've been doing a lot of research into tunes, and finally decided to go with APR, especially because the sale is going on now (4 programs and all options) for the price of 1 program, $499. Anyways, someone else on here said the 2001's ECU is too small for all 4 programs, and need to have a bigger one soldered in. In this true? I really want the full package, but I'm not sure if I want to have to have a new chip soldered in.

      Also, somewhat unrelated, do I need a new DV to handle the boost from the tune?

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      06-29-2013 11:20 PM #2
      Quote Originally Posted by Checkers10160 View Post
      Hey everyone, I've been doing a lot of research into tunes, and finally decided to go with APR, especially because the sale is going on now (4 programs and all options) for the price of 1 program, $499. Anyways, someone else on here said the 2001's ECU is too small for all 4 programs, and need to have a bigger one soldered in. In this true? I really want the full package, but I'm not sure if I want to have to have a new chip soldered in.

      Also, somewhat unrelated, do I need a new DV to handle the boost from the tune?
      My '01 TT with engine code AMU could only support one program as I tried initially for the 4 program option during a sale. At the end of the day, I feel like a single 93 octane flash is a very good upgrade for most street driven cars. Upgraded DV is recommended, in addition to some springs added to your waste gate to provide a mechanical equalizer for the increased boost pressure. There is an entire thread on the spring mod (link below).

      http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...tor-Spring-Mod

      Hope that helps

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      06-29-2013 11:27 PM #3
      Ahh, not what I wanted to hear :-\ Thank you for the reply though. How can I find out what kind of engine code I have, on the off chance mine has enough space? Also, since even with the sale, Revo is cheaper (And only 10 minutes from me, as opposed to APR which is 45 or so) should I just go with that? I figured the fully loaded package was worth it, but if APR isn't really any better than Revo, I might as well just go with them

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      06-29-2013 11:34 PM #4
      Quote Originally Posted by Checkers10160 View Post
      Ahh, not what I wanted to hear :-\ Thank you for the reply though. How can I find out what kind of engine code I have, on the off chance mine has enough space? Also, since even with the sale, Revo is cheaper (And only 10 minutes from me, as opposed to APR which is 45 or so) should I just go with that? I figured the fully loaded package was worth it, but if APR isn't really any better than Revo, I might as well just go with them
      No problem, and your engine code is stamped on the head.. If you have your hood open with engine covers removed, look on the side where the timing cover is in the front and you should see some letters imprinted on the head. Mine says AMU.

      Unless your going for custom tune specific for your hardware I think most big name tunes are a coin flip. There may be others on the forum that say that isn't true, but it seems unless you are changing fuel type, turbo upgrade, and elaborate charge air cooling, go for what will make you happy and convenient.

      I know APR has 30 day money back guarantee and I think even offer a 90 minute demo. See if Revo will match that and let your butt dyno decide over a weekend of playing around.

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      06-29-2013 11:54 PM #5
      Last I heard it was a 6 hour trial. I'm leaning towards APR just because everyone says it's more mild, and they have better customer service, plus I'm concerned about damaging my car, but Revo is attractive because if I remember correctly, you can change the boost or something.

      And I e-mailed a guy at APR I'd been talking to (Just researching) so if he says one engine code can fit 4 but the other can't, I'll go out and check mine. Thanks again for the help, I really appreciate it!

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      06-30-2013 11:05 AM #6
      If yours is a 2001, its an AMU....like mine too. And, yes, too small for all four of
      APRs programs.

      I've had mine Revo93'd and have been very happy. My Revo guy was very honest about the programs saying, "all are basically the same quality and same performance." So get one that is close to you so you dont' have to drive across town or ship the ecu off to someone out of state.

      Also, find someone that will do some diagnostics before they load the new program. Nothing worse than paying for the flash only to find out you have other issues that will prevent you from enjoying the increase power and torque.

      cheers.
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      06-30-2013 03:29 PM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by TTC2k5 View Post
      If yours is a 2001, its an AMU....like mine too. And, yes, too small for all four of
      APRs programs.

      I've had mine Revo93'd and have been very happy. My Revo guy was very honest about the programs saying, "all are basically the same quality and same performance." So get one that is close to you so you dont' have to drive across town or ship the ecu off to someone out of state.

      Also, find someone that will do some diagnostics before they load the new program. Nothing worse than paying for the flash only to find out you have other issues that will prevent you from enjoying the increase power and torque.

      cheers.
      Alright, thank you very much. It's too bad because it seemed like such a great deal, but I doubt I would ever really use the other programs anyways. There's no reason to run stock, I guess I could use the 91 tune if I'm ever stranded with low gas and no 93 around, and Valet mode is useless because no one else, especially a valet, will be driving my car. I think I'll go with Revo then, since it's not far from me, and it'd be good to create a relationship with the local Euro guys. I've heard APR is a little mold mild, and smoother than APR which I like since I have awful luck with cars, but the added torque would be nice in the low revs from Revo. And when you say to do some diagnostics, do you mean computer related diagnostics, or things like checking the engine and drivetrain to make sure it can handle it?

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      06-30-2013 04:47 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by Checkers10160 View Post
      .... And when you say to do some diagnostics, do you mean computer related diagnostics, or things like checking the engine and drivetrain to make sure it can handle it?
      I was mainly speaking of engine/ecu related. Codes, hoses, plugs, etc. That being said, it is never bad to know the other mechanicals are ready for the increased power/torque. I'm a firm believer that increased power is the last upgrade, not the first. Don't forget, go fast means you need to stop fast too. ;-)
      You don't own a TT, you support it: 2001 LZ7W coupe; REVO chip; Forge hoses and DV relo; MadMax DV; Modshack VTDA; BlueFlame Catback, OSIR corners, Forge bling, H&R, Bilsteins, DEFCON2, 986 seats, 18in OZ Vela II; OEM TTQS alcantara steering wheel, knob, ebrake; OEM: BBS RS IIs; roof rack; trunk rack; phone bracket; trunk mat; all weather floor mats; 4-piece Votex kit. My Mods and Primer Porn here: http://public.fotki.com/TTQ2K2/.

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      06-30-2013 04:59 PM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by Checkers10160 View Post
      Alright, thank you very much. It's too bad because it seemed like such a great deal, but I doubt I would ever really use the other programs anyways. There's no reason to run stock, I guess I could use the 91 tune if I'm ever stranded with low gas and no 93 around, and Valet mode is useless because no one else, especially a valet, will be driving my car. I think I'll go with Revo then, since it's not far from me, and it'd be good to create a relationship with the local Euro guys. I've heard APR is a little mold mild, and smoother than APR which I like since I have awful luck with cars, but the added torque would be nice in the low revs from Revo. And when you say to do some diagnostics, do you mean computer related diagnostics, or things like checking the engine and drivetrain to make sure it can handle it?
      I did an InMotion tune (Upsolute) that worked, but threw codes all the time. The dude told me that there was something wrong with my car (there wasn't) and wouldn't really help me at all.

      I switched over to a Revo tune and haven't looked back since. I went with the Stage 1 91 octane tune 'cuz that's about all I can find around here.

      I don't beat on it or thrash it at all and the "sweet spot" (for MY tune at least) is around 3k RPM. If I am at or above that I can spool it to about 21 PSI and it just takes off.

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      06-30-2013 10:45 PM #10
      Another 2001 here - I'm running the 91 Oct APR. I was similarly disappointed when I found out I couldn't run 4 programs, but hey - it's still cheap power
      I like things with two wheels and things with four wheels.

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      07-01-2013 01:30 AM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by matches View Post
      Another 2001 here - I'm running the 91 Oct APR. I was similarly disappointed when I found out I couldn't run 4 programs, but hey - it's still cheap power
      Is there a huge difference between the 91 and the 93? 93 is available around me but not nearly as common as 91

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      07-01-2013 10:14 AM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by Checkers10160 View Post
      Is there a huge difference between the 91 and the 93? 93 is available around me but not nearly as common as 91
      According to APR it's about 6 HP and 3 lbs of Tq.

      http://www.goapr.com/products/ecu_upgrade_tt.html

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      07-01-2013 11:39 AM #13
      Oh that's not much, thank you. What I've decided to do is basically buy the full package, and then just take whatever they can fit. 1 program and all the options for the price of the full package (On sale) is still cheaper than paying for 1 program, and the options seperately. For if he can fit 2 programs plus the options, I'll be happy.

      Also, if you happen to know, I'd heard that the 93 octance tune can adapt to 91 if you need it in a pinch, is that true?

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      07-01-2013 05:12 PM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by Checkers10160 View Post
      Oh that's not much, thank you. What I've decided to do is basically buy the full package, and then just take whatever they can fit. 1 program and all the options for the price of the full package (On sale) is still cheaper than paying for 1 program, and the options seperately. For if he can fit 2 programs plus the options, I'll be happy.

      Also, if you happen to know, I'd heard that the 93 octance tune can adapt to 91 if you need it in a pinch, is that true?
      You might be alright to run 91 fuel in a 93 flash for short term, but I would take it easy as you are more prone to detonation with agressive boost and timing advance. From what I have picked up around the forums and online, the tune will still have a good number of fail safes to keep engine in a safe place, but if you are tuned for 93.. you should stick with it

    15. 07-01-2013 05:32 PM #15
      Not a problem running a 93 octane file on 91. Timing will retarded slightly to correct for this.

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      07-01-2013 05:40 PM #16
      Boulderhead and Noah, thank you very much. I only ask because a friend of mine has the Revo 93 on his car, and he had to make a trip to Colorado, where they only have 91 and he was distressed about what to do, so I was wondering what would happen if I were in a similar situation

    17. 07-01-2013 06:29 PM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by Checkers10160 View Post
      Boulderhead and Noah, thank you very much. I only ask because a friend of mine has the Revo 93 on his car, and he had to make a trip to Colorado, where they only have 91 and he was distressed about what to do, so I was wondering what would happen if I were in a similar situation


      Maine also is 91 octane. Running high strung big power cars that were tuned on 93 with a lot of the safety removed from the tune is where running on lower octane can be an issue.

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