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    Thread: C&D: 2014 VW Jetta 1.8T First Drive

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      09-04-2013 02:35 PM #76
      Quote Originally Posted by Cadenza_7o View Post
      turbo-charged in a standard/base engine...
      Am I remembering it wrong or is everyone else? The last 2 generations of Passats had turbo motors as the base engine. And they "required" premium fuel. Doesn't seem like that great of a stretch for the Jetta. Most people won't even know what engine it has. They'll put gas in it and take it to Jiffy Lube every 5k to 10k miles or whenever a light comes on.

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      09-04-2013 02:36 PM #77
      Quote Originally Posted by 2 doors View Post
      Am I remembering it wrong or is everyone else? The last 2 generations of Passats had turbo motors as the base engine. And they "required" premium fuel. Doesn't seem like that great of a stretch for the Jetta. Most people won't even know what engine it has. They'll put gas in it and take it to Jiffy Lube every 5k to 10k miles or whenever a light comes on.
      The last two generations of the Passat were not poster children for reliable long term ownership.
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      09-04-2013 02:37 PM #78
      Quote Originally Posted by 2 doors View Post
      Am I remembering it wrong or is everyone else? The last 2 generations of Passats had turbo motors as the base engine. And they "required" premium fuel. Doesn't seem like that great of a stretch for the Jetta. Most people won't even know what engine it has. They'll put gas in it and take it to Jiffy Lube every 5k to 10k miles or whenever a light comes on.
      Wasn't the 2.5L the base engine in the passat?

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      09-04-2013 02:38 PM #79
      Quote Originally Posted by rynodyno312 View Post
      Wasn't the 2.5L the base engine in the passat?
      Yes.

      And for 2014, the 1,8TSI is slowly getting phased in, starting with the SEL model, then it will work its way down
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    5. 09-04-2013 03:02 PM #80
      Quote Originally Posted by 2 doors View Post
      Am I remembering it wrong or is everyone else? The last 2 generations of Passats had turbo motors as the base engine. And they "required" premium fuel. Doesn't seem like that great of a stretch for the Jetta. Most people won't even know what engine it has. They'll put gas in it and take it to Jiffy Lube every 5k to 10k miles or whenever a light comes on.
      Fortunately, I'm slightly less clueless (see how I put those words together) than those who take their VWs to Jiffy and got Jiff'ed up zer A$$.

      I have the Mk4 1.8T with 219k miles but I'm opting out this time around.

      This 3rd gen EA888 1.8T is the new frontier of complications. Maybe 888 is the sign of the VW devil.

      Just curious, does anyone know how much this electro-mechanical coolant pump costs and how much to replace it.... looks like it sits quite pretty right beneath the intake manifold.


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      09-04-2013 03:04 PM #81
      Quote Originally Posted by BsickPassat View Post
      Yes.

      And for 2014, the 1,8TSI is slowly getting phased in, starting with the SEL model, then it will work its way down
      Quote Originally Posted by rynodyno312 View Post
      Wasn't the 2.5L the base engine in the passat?
      No. Because I'm assuming you were referring to the last Passat as mentioned in the post you replied to. The 2.0T+6Spd Manual was the base configuration for that car. You could upgrade to 2.0T+6spd Auto (regular, not dsg) or 3.6VR6+DSG.
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      09-04-2013 03:43 PM #82
      Quote Originally Posted by turkey_club View Post
      No. Because I'm assuming you were referring to the last Passat as mentioned in the post you replied to. The 2.0T+6Spd Manual was the base configuration for that car. You could upgrade to 2.0T+6spd Auto (regular, not dsg) or 3.6VR6+DSG.
      huh?

      ryno was responding to 2 doors, saying the last 2 generations.

      the last two generations are the current generation, the NMS Passat and the B6 Passat.

      But yes, the B5 & B6 Passats both had turbo motors.

      Also, the 2010 Passat 2.0T got DSG.

      The VR6 never got DSG. It was only the 6-speed tiptronic.

      In Europe, the 3.2L VR6 and 3.6L VR6 Passat R did get DSG.
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      09-04-2013 04:00 PM #83
      Quote Originally Posted by SchnellFowVay View Post
      It's not quite that simple, either, unfortunately. There are dozens of variables in fuel quality, etc.

      The bottom line is that a person can drive an APR 93 octane chip on 91 octane, and the car will be fine because the OEM sensors will pull timing, etc. However, getting the APR 91 octane chip will drive on 91 octane much better.

      Hell, I drove the 93 Octane Giac X-Chip on Nevada 91 Octane in 117 degree heat and had no problems. The car would still ahve run better on the 91 Octane Giac X-Chip, though.

      SO basically, and engine tune is optimized for a certain level of fuel, but there is built in flexibility for safety. Additionally, some manufacturers have included octane sensors, etc., that will slightly improve performance on higher octane gas, even when the car is designed for 87 octane.
      I understand knock sensors are used to retard timing to account for variables (old news), but I'm not aware of any VW ECUs being able to magically advance timing based on octane.

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      09-04-2013 04:01 PM #84
      Quote Originally Posted by SchnellFowVay View Post
      Also some very rural and/or mountanous gas stations have 85 octane as "Regular," despite all cars requiring at least 87 octane.

      Last weekend we did a road trip through UTah, and I stopped at a station which only stocked 85 octane and 91 octane. THe Subaru requires 87 -- so I filled it with 91. But I am sure it would have been fine if I had filled it with 85 octane.
      yeah, again, I know how knock sensors work for suboptimal fuel and heat

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      09-04-2013 04:10 PM #85
      Quote Originally Posted by mhjett View Post
      Like someone else said, the Passat TDI destroys either in terms of mileage and cruising range (until the diesel 6 comes out next year, of course...).
      The TDI should maintain an edge over the 6 diesel in mileage. Mazda isn't using urea.
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      09-05-2013 03:31 AM #86
      Quote Originally Posted by caj1 View Post
      Then I wonder why chip tuners sell different maps for different levels of octane? If the ECU can make the change on the fly I don't see why this would be needed.
      Highly-tuned engines' useful octane range is shorter because the tuners run the engines much closer to the maximum exhaust temperature, cylinder pressure, etc. So, the margins of error towards catastrophic failure are much smaller. That said, you can still run an engine tuned for 93 with anything from 91 to 95.

      Quote Originally Posted by Cadenza_7o View Post
      turbo-charged in a standard/base engine... integrated water-cooled exhaust, 2 coolant pumps, 2 sets of fuel injectors operating at different pressures, variable valve lift, and DSG only auto trans.

      Woohoo!!! VW will be raking in record profits through its service departments!!!
      The bastard 1.8T and 2.0T for the Mexican- and US-produced cars don't get this, neither do they get water-cooled charged air (instead of a conventional intercooler). Also, the DSG trans has been quite reliable for the past ~3 years.

      Quote Originally Posted by 2.0T_Convert View Post
      The last two generations of the Passat were not poster children for reliable long term ownership.
      The B5 and B6? Not so much, but the engines were just fine with regular synthetic oil changes. So, even then, besides coil packs made of glass, the 1.8T was not the problem.
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      09-05-2013 03:52 AM #87
      Quote Originally Posted by Cadenza_7o View Post
      turbo-charged in a standard/base engine... integrated water-cooled exhaust, 2 coolant pumps, 2 sets of fuel injectors operating at different pressures, variable valve lift, and DSG only auto trans.

      Woohoo!!! VW will be raking in record profits through its service departments!!!
      Base engine is still the 2.slow.

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      09-05-2013 08:49 AM #88
      Quote Originally Posted by Cadenza_7o View Post
      turbo-charged in a standard/base engine... integrated water-cooled exhaust, 2 coolant pumps, 2 sets of fuel injectors operating at different pressures, variable valve lift, and DSG only auto trans.

      Woohoo!!! VW will be raking in record profits through its service departments!!!
      the 1.8T will not have the twin injection. It's direct only.
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      09-05-2013 08:59 AM #89
      Quote Originally Posted by DasCC View Post
      Base engine is still the 2.slow.
      The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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      09-05-2013 09:15 AM #90
      So its basically the car I've got. 114k and still running.

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      09-05-2013 09:16 AM #91
      Quote Originally Posted by XClayX View Post
      So its basically the car I've got. 114k and still running.
      Well, except for being totally different in just about every way, sure.

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      09-05-2013 09:34 AM #92
      As promising as this sounds both the AT & MT versions of the 1.8T only receive an EPA 36 MPG rating. I personally think that is too low to attract much attention. It is the MKV all over again where it fans excuse the fuel economy because of the power but the mainstream market doesn't care to take notice.

      If the Jetta combined with Golf next year manage to overtake the Focus I'll be impressed.
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    18. 09-05-2013 03:34 PM #93
      Quote Originally Posted by BsickPassat View Post
      the 1.8T will not have the twin injection. It's direct only.
      Oh no, you're wrong. From the psycho VW engineers. Just follow the red and blue...

      Source: http://www.atzonline.com/Article/133...ocharging.html
      Last edited by Cadenza_7o; 09-05-2013 at 03:41 PM.

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      09-05-2013 03:37 PM #94
      Quote Originally Posted by Cadenza_7o View Post
      Oh no, you're wrong. From the psycho VW engineers. Just follow the red and blue...
      Yes, I know the 3rd gen ea888 1.8TFSI introduced in EUROPE for the Audi A4 has twin injection, however for the US market, VWAG decided that the US Market 1.8T for VW will get direct only
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    20. 09-05-2013 03:47 PM #95
      Quote Originally Posted by BsickPassat View Post
      Yes, I know the 3rd gen ea888 1.8TFSI introduced in EUROPE for the Audi A4 has twin injection, however for the US market, VWAG decided that the US Market 1.8T for VW will get direct only
      Really? Why did they do that?

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      09-05-2013 03:51 PM #96
      Quote Originally Posted by Cadenza_7o View Post
      Really? Why did they do that?
      Don't know.

      Same reason why the 210 hp engine being phased in on the GLI, even though it is a 3rd gen ea888, it is direct only.
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      09-05-2013 03:58 PM #97
      Quote Originally Posted by XClayX View Post
      So its basically the car I've got. 114k and still running.
      Your ignorance, we see it.
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      09-06-2013 12:06 AM #98
      EA888 engines used in North American market VWs won't have dual injection along with a couple of other features that the Audi versions get that I can't remember right now because 1) the engines still meet US emissions without them and 2) therefore VW is leaving them out to keep manufacturing costs down for the lower-priced, lower-margin models.

      Expect to see feature parity between North American VW and Audi EA888 variants as emissions standards tighten and production at the Silao engine plant gets established, making those features required and/or cheaper to build.
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      09-06-2013 07:16 AM #99
      Quote Originally Posted by jddaigle View Post
      EA888 engines used in North American market VWs won't have dual injection along with a couple of other features that the Audi versions get that I can't remember right now because ...
      For a short while. There is little doubt the MkVII GTI - once it finally gets here, next year, will have the full feature set. I imagine the same for other cars transitioning to the MQB platform.

      Impending EPA fuel (sulfur) and emissions standards and the local production of the Q5 engine only drive this in the same direction.
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      09-06-2013 09:51 AM #100
      VW makes a nicer Jetta with a high tech engine again and this time it handles. Everyone complains.

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