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    Thread: Alfa Romeo 4C priced at $53,900* in US, gains 342 pounds vs Euro version

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      06-11-2014 09:34 AM #1


      We're out in California driving the Alfa Romeo 4C as we write this – which is the good news. The bad news is that we can't offer up any driving impressions of the car for another few days. On the other hand, we can provide a few interesting non-driving-based tidbits from the launch program, with which to further enlighten you about Alfa's upcoming "compact supercar" (that descriptor comes direct from Alfa CEO Harald Wester, for what it's worth).

      So, for starters, the price. When Matt Davis drove the European-spec 4C in the fall of last year, he guestimated that the starting price for the US would hover around $55,000. As it turns out, that was a pretty good guess. Eventually, the starting bill on a 4C will be $53,900, plus a significant $1,295 for destination, netting out to $55,195 out the door.

      That price might sound inline with what you'd expect for an Italian quasi-supercar, but it's not likely what you'll actually pay if you buy one. We're told that $62k to $65k will be the sweet spot for 4C sales in the US. What's more, if you simply have to have a 2015 model, you'll have to pony up a healthy $69,695 (that's including destination), for one of just 500 examples of the launch edition that will be sold here this year. In addition to a serialized plaque that will certify your historic purchase, the launch edition cars get the larger optional wheels in a dark-finish, the sport suspension, sport exhaust, and some other bits and bobs.

      Finally, while we're happy to report that the curb weight of the feather-light 4C will stay below the magical 2,500-pound mark (2,495 lbs., wet), it has still gained some 342 pounds versus the European-spec car. The added weight is down to a beefier carbon-fiber tub and additional US safety equipment. It's also fair to mention that the ultra-light European model was arrived upon thanks to a homologation rule with the EU, that (among other things) will limit 4C sales on the continent to just 1,000 units per year. We'd expect that to evolve as the model stays on sale.

      Stay tuned for our full review of the car, thick carbon-fiber and all, early next week.
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      06-11-2014 09:36 AM #2
      2500 lbs isn't terrible but damn, that is some weight gain!

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      06-11-2014 09:38 AM #3
      I'm guessing a good portion (if not most) of that weight gain is just measurement differences. The Euros usually measure the car dry (no fluids) and with no options (like AC or stereo). We measure the car with all fluids and a reasonable option list. May only be 100lbs of real world gain.

    4. 06-11-2014 09:40 AM #4
      So it sounds like the lightweight Euro version got that way by ducking out of crash testing? Interesting.

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      06-11-2014 09:47 AM #5
      Meh, weight gain, heinously expensive for what it is, panel gaps worse than my 25 year old Mazda*, awful looking two spoke steering wheel*, no manual.

      *From a thread a few months ago about an EU spec model

      For the $54k, I can get a pristine NB Miata, send it to FM, and have them build me a screaming, 480 hp monster of a car that handles divinely and is still about the same weight as this.

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    6. 06-11-2014 09:49 AM #6
      The European version weighs around 1020 kg with fluids, but no driver. On the same measurement, Lotus Exige weighed exactly 100 kg less(920 kg). So it is no lightweight car.

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      06-11-2014 09:55 AM #7
      If (big if) the weight gain is accurate and is related to safety only, I find it hard to believe. 340 lbs is a lot, which would mean the original version must be rather unsafe or not built and tested to any particular standard.

      I wonder though if they have changed the way of manufacturing the chassis. It was hand lay up of prepreg before, which is labor intensive. They could have switched to an RTM process which would make the part relatively resin rich, and would explain a more significant weight gain. It would also explain their ability to produce in higher volumes.

      RTM is what McLaren use for the 12C, and what Lamborghini uses for the Aventador. In fact, preproduction Aventadors were hand lay up and this that car's production version gained some massive weight as well.

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      06-11-2014 10:02 AM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by Nealric View Post
      I'm guessing a good portion (if not most) of that weight gain is just measurement differences. The Euros usually measure the car dry (no fluids) and with no options (like AC or stereo). We measure the car with all fluids and a reasonable option list. May only be 100lbs of real world gain.
      This. They under-weigh the cars, we typically pick the middle of the range spec, with full fluids to weigh the car.
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      06-11-2014 10:04 AM #9
      Sounds like they're saying the European version is probably going to gain some weight as well when it becomes a "real" car. I also have a hard time believing you'll be able to get one of these for anywhere near base price. Gonna be crazy mark ups from the start and something like a 3 year wait if you want a base model and have to order it. That said, it's still on my list. Hopefully they're reasonably available within the next year or so when I start shopping.

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      06-11-2014 10:09 AM #10
      At $62K, it's way, way, wayyyyyy down the list.
      No thanks.

      And before people that have no affiliation to Alfa and no intention on ever buying one launch into an indignant rant... Yes I understand that cars are expensive. No, I don't expect it to be $10K. Yes, I could afford it if I actually wanted to.
      So, save all of that and realize I'm only saying that I don't see the allure of the car, especially when it's not particularly value priced. Not to mention, I've thought that it's fugly since day one, and it's never grown on me.

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      06-11-2014 10:11 AM #11
      The power to weight is still going to be great. 2500lbs / 237hp = 10.5 lb/hp. Porsche Cayman (PDK)? 2954lbs / 275hp = 10.7 lb/hp.

    12. 06-11-2014 10:16 AM #12
      anybody who promised to buy one on these forums, here's your chance to weasel out of it!

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      06-11-2014 10:17 AM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by Mike! View Post
      The power to weight is still going to be great. 2500lbs / 237hp = 10.5 lb/hp. Porsche Cayman (PDK)? 2954lbs / 275hp = 10.7 lb/hp.
      Stingray Z51 w/ sport exhaust : 3300lbs / 460hp = 7.16lb/hp.

      Same price.
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      06-11-2014 10:18 AM #14
      Uh-oh, TCL doesn't like the 4C now. Prepare for monumental sales success.
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      06-11-2014 10:20 AM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by SSLByron View Post
      Stingray Z51 w/ sport exhaust : 3300lbs / 460hp = 7.16lb/hp.

      Same price.
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      06-11-2014 10:20 AM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by Crimping Is Easy View Post
      Uh-oh, TCL doesn't like the 4C now. Prepare for monumental sales success.
      *shrug* I never liked it. And I hope that it does succeed, because I'm all about Alfa making more cars. Just because I don't want this one doesn't mean I'm hoping for bankruptcy and layoffs.

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      06-11-2014 10:21 AM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by SSLByron View Post
      Stingray Z51 w/ sport exhaust : 3300lbs / 460hp = 7.16lb/hp.

      Same price.

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      06-11-2014 10:42 AM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by SSLByron View Post
      Stingray Z51 w/ sport exhaust : 3300lbs / 460hp = 7.16lb/hp.

      Same price.
      The Alfa will be much more exclusive though.

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      06-11-2014 10:48 AM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by Oliver@triplezoom View Post
      The Alfa will be much more exclusive though.
      While I know with its carbon fiber tub and limited numbers, the Alfa is a cut-price exotic... is this the new "but it has more soul!?"

    20. 06-11-2014 10:50 AM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by Oliver@triplezoom View Post
      The Alfa will be much more exclusive though.
      And prettier!

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      06-11-2014 10:52 AM #21
      Is that 342lb extra from a typical American?
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    22. 06-11-2014 10:55 AM #22
      Saw one driving around San Francisco the other week. The noise

      With this pricing though - plus the inevitable "just because" 20% Canadian markup - it joins the Abarth as an Italian car I like the look and sound of but can't get there on price.

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      06-11-2014 10:59 AM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by Oliver@triplezoom View Post
      The Alfa will be much more exclusive though.
      Some people go in for exclusivity, others go in for cars with adjustable seats, carpet, and a manual trans. To each his own.

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      06-11-2014 11:01 AM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by Oliver@triplezoom View Post
      The Alfa will be much more exclusive though.
      The 4c is more Lotus exclusive than it is Ferrari or Lamborghini exclusive. It'll impress car nerds. For others, it'll be another not-interested-since-I-learned-it's-not-a-Ferrari type deal.
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      so it's the Alfa's fat American cousin?
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      06-11-2014 11:06 AM #26
      i expect same fate as fiat 500's. hot on initial release then they'll sit on dealer lots and will have hefty discounts on them to move them.

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      I've been in contention for one of these since they were first rumored for US shores. I'm on "lists" at both Maserati dealers here in town, although last time I checked they still didn't have any real information.
      Car and Driver stated months ago that the US versions were going to gain weight, sub 2500 lbs for a current car is still flyweight and shouldn't hurt the dynamics of the car....and that's what it's all about. If the car is still a pint size flyweight with zippy performance and handling, along with its carbon tub pedigree, I'm still in the hunt.
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      06-11-2014 11:16 AM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by 2 doors View Post
      Some people go in for exclusivity, others go in for cars with adjustable seats, carpet, and a manual trans. To each his own.
      So clearly, two different target markets.

      I for one would be much more enthusiastic about the 4C if it was available with a manual transmission.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Mike! View Post
      The power to weight is still going to be great. 2500lbs / 237hp = 10.5 lb/hp. Porsche Cayman (PDK)? 2954lbs / 275hp = 10.7 lb/hp.
      Not really. A Cayman is slowwww (in a straight line).

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    31. 06-11-2014 11:30 AM #31
      US Spec not getting these headlamps?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Avus View Post
      Is that 342lb extra from a typical American?
      Amen. Average weight of the merica female.

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      Quote Originally Posted by christurismohk View Post
      US Spec not getting these headlamps?
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      Thankfully, no.

      Now, if it came with a stick, I didn't have kids and did have more money, I'd be quite interested. In other words, I don't think they'll have trouble selling them for a few years. The cars to come later may be more in line with my needs, too.
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    34. 06-11-2014 11:56 AM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by MGQ View Post
      anybody who promised to buy one on these forums, here's your chance to weasel out of it!

      I'm still game. However, I'm not going to do 1st launch year with crazy markup. I'll look into 2016. Maybe coupe or intended "targa" version.
      $60k is my sweet spot.

      I'm definitely still game. You can quote me on this.

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      06-11-2014 12:00 PM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by chronoguy View Post
      I'm still game. However, I'm not going to do 1st launch year with crazy markup. I'll look into 2016. Maybe coupe or intended "targa" version.
      $60k is my sweet spot.

      I'm definitely still game. You can quote me on this.
      Fine you have been quoted.
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