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    1. 07-29-2014 12:03 PM #1
      Poop your insides out and die.

      Thoughts? Biggest outbreak so far and 700+ casualties (including many of the doctors and nurses working against it). At what point will this create a genuine international panic?


    2. 07-29-2014 12:05 PM #2
      I knew this thread would come up, I just thought it would be started by Uberhare.

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      07-29-2014 12:19 PM #3
      not as exciting as kony 2012.
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      07-29-2014 12:20 PM #4
      Quote Originally Posted by Elbows View Post
      Poop your insides out and die.

      Thoughts? Biggest outbreak so far and 700+ casualties (including many of the doctors and nurses working against it). At what point will this create a genuine international panic?
      If it turns up Stateside or in Europe.

      Similar to a zombie outbreak, in rural areas, it can be contained. It hits urban areas & lookout.
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    5. 07-29-2014 12:32 PM #5
      Quote Originally Posted by Gaki View Post
      not as exciting as kony 2012.
      I'll start making a Facebook group for Ebola 2014. Maybe we can get some soldiers sent over there if we get enough likes! (high five)

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      07-29-2014 12:37 PM #6
      Let's ask the real question on everyone's mind. How long until Syfy makes a movie about it?
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      07-29-2014 12:47 PM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by Time for a GTI View Post
      Let's ask the real question on everyone's mind. How long until Syfy makes a movie about it?
      like an ebola tornado?

      or do you mean more along the lines of the existing disease series they have?
      shut your mouth. sh sh shut your mouth.

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      07-29-2014 12:51 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by Elbows View Post
      Poop your insides out and die.
      Wait, this isn't the Chipotle thread, man.

      Quote Originally Posted by Elbows View Post
      At what point will this create a genuine international panic?
      I just watched that video, and I think it would be people to get excited/panicked about it when the locals don't even seem to be very concerned about it. Granted the video shows a very small sample of the Liberian population. Even if we dismiss the local's attitude, I think it will only become and matter of concern for the international community if/when it hits their continent.

      Going back to the video, it seems that the government seems overly concerned with the consuming of bush meat, when they should really be advocating better food prep/handling practices. That's what jumps out to me. From my preliminary reading properly smoked/cured/cooked meat removes the risk of ebola contamination.

      I believe the overall culture in Liberia makes transmission of the disease more likely. For example using a bed sheet to separate biohazard areas in a medical facility. Really? And the guy comes out of the biohazard area with a mask that the guy is supposed to wear to protect him. While most ebola strains are transmitted via contact with bodily fluids, there have been airborne strains identified as well.

      Quote Originally Posted by 2.FOH!! View Post
      If it turns up Stateside or in Europe.

      Similar to a zombie outbreak, in rural areas, it can be contained. It hits urban areas & lookout.
      Makes me paranoid to travel through airports, especially the one closest to me.

    9. 07-29-2014 01:09 PM #9
      This isn't like you can "walk into a store" and touch a door handle and get it. Nor is it like you can get it "in the air" on an airplane.

      People who get this are in very very close contact with a host, hence the doctors getting it. "transmission occurs via direct contact with blood or bodily fluids from an infected person (including embalming of an infected dead person) or by contact with contaminated medical equipment such as needles".

      Go watch World War Z to get your zombie apocalypse fix.

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      07-29-2014 01:26 PM #10
      I read Tom Clancy's "Executive Orders" where the Iranians develop an airbourne strain. I'm an expert on ebola plots.

    11. 07-29-2014 01:49 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by burnthesheep View Post
      This isn't like you can "walk into a store" and touch a door handle and get it. Nor is it like you can get it "in the air" on an airplane.

      People who get this are in very very close contact with a host, hence the doctors getting it. "transmission occurs via direct contact with blood or bodily fluids from an infected person (including embalming of an infected dead person) or by contact with contaminated medical equipment such as needles".

      Go watch World War Z to get your zombie apocalypse fix.
      Not trying to get a fix. I just think it'll be an interesting discussion if it continues. This is OT though.

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      07-29-2014 01:52 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by 2.FOH!! View Post
      If it turns up Stateside or in Europe.
      yep, no one gives a fvck about what happens in africa. as long as it stays there, no one will do anything more than lip service. of course i mean in the broad sense, those doctors on the ground.... cahones of titanium.

      regarding ebola not being airborne, i say it's not airborne, yet. mother nature is always workin' on new isht to kill us, give it time. when that happens tho, ya, i'll be freakin out!

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      07-29-2014 02:04 PM #13
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      07-29-2014 02:35 PM #14
      WTF is being eaten in that stillframe?
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      07-29-2014 02:35 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by burnthesheep View Post
      This isn't like you can "walk into a store" and touch a door handle and get it. Nor is it like you can get it "in the air" on an airplane.

      People who get this are in very very close contact with a host, hence the doctors getting it. "transmission occurs via direct contact with blood or bodily fluids from an infected person (including embalming of an infected dead person) or by contact with contaminated medical equipment such as needles".

      Go watch World War Z to get your zombie apocalypse fix.
      Well, to be fair there have been reports that the virus somehow developed the ability to transmit airborne, which is pretty much the worst case type of way this thing can be transmitted. The general consensus among the brainy medical folks is this airborne theory is still without concrete proof.

      But it makes you wonder if indeed the virus found a way to protect itself in order to become airborne. That's scary. And a HORRIBLE way to die. You literally bleed out of every orifice in you body. It liquifies your organs. Not cool.
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      07-29-2014 02:37 PM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by sirswank! View Post
      WTF is being eaten in that stillframe?
      Bush meat. Specifically, monkey meat. Yummy. It's almost lunchtime.
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      07-29-2014 03:12 PM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by GeoffD View Post
      I read Tom Clancy's "Executive Orders" where the Iranians develop an airbourne strain. I'm an expert on ebola plots.
      This.

      anyone heard about the missing nuns or stolen monkeys?

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      07-29-2014 03:27 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by sirswank! View Post
      WTF is being eaten in that stillframe?
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      07-29-2014 03:28 PM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by LangsamKafer View Post

      Makes me paranoid to travel through airports, especially the one closest to me.
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      07-29-2014 03:44 PM #20
      Scary stuff. It kills you pretty quick and can be transmitted very easily. All the way down to sweat and air borne pathways. It would spread like wildfire through densely populated areas. They seriously need to lock those countries down, reduce travel ect.

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      07-29-2014 03:58 PM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by XClayX View Post
      Scary stuff. It kills you pretty quick and can be transmitted very easily. All the way down to sweat and air borne pathways. It would spread like wildfire through densely populated areas. They seriously need to lock those countries down, reduce travel ect.
      Human to human transmission requires direct contact with blood or bodily fluids. It isn't airborne unless its a interspecies infection.
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    22. 07-29-2014 04:07 PM #22
      I'd be most concerned about the airplane issue. Small, concentrated area with a lot of people...sharing air. Start sneezing etc. And of course if you're on a major international flight with various connections - one person could turn into 4-5 countries experiencing cases. And the further you get from the initial point, how likely are first air workers/doctors to consider ebola? I suppose I'm a bit morbidly fascinated by this stuff, merely because virus and asteroids are two of the only things which could turn the tables on humankind pretty quick.

      I agree though, no concern until this goes too international or numbers skyrocket.

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      07-29-2014 04:21 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by GeoffD View Post
      I read Tom Clancy's "Executive Orders" where the Iranians develop an airbourne strain. I'm an expert on ebola plots.



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      07-29-2014 04:25 PM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by TwoLitreVW View Post
      like an ebola tornado?

      or do you mean more along the lines of the existing disease series they have?
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      07-29-2014 04:35 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by 20DYNAMITE07 View Post
      Human to human transmission requires direct contact with blood or bodily fluids. It isn't airborne unless its a interspecies infection.
      Interesting info from Wikipedia:

      In late 2012, Canadian scientists discovered that the deadliest form of the virus could be transmitted by air between species. They managed to prove that the virus was transmitted from pigs to monkeys without any direct contact between them, leading to fears that airborne transmission could be contributing to the wider spread of the disease in parts of Africa. Evidence was also found that pigs might be one of the reservoir hosts for the virus; the fruit bat has long been considered as the reservoir. A 2013 study isolated antibodies from fruit bats in Bangladesh, against Ebola Zaire and Reston viruses, thus identifying potential virus hosts and signs of the filoviruses in Asia.
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      07-29-2014 04:39 PM #26
      Historical note....the Soviet's biological weapons program considered using Ebola and Marburg viruses as bio weapons but determined they were not effective enough. The hosts died too quickly for it to be transmitted. They sent teams of KGB agents to Africa to retrieve samples for their program during the outbreaks.

      Makes you wonder what other countries are sending bio weapon engineers to the area to collect samples for possible weapons.....
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      07-29-2014 04:40 PM #27
      A friend of mine whom I knew growing up is a physician at JFK Hospital in Monrovia. I know ELWA hospital very very well..... and the outbreak area in Lofa county is just slightly north of where I grew up.

      Before ebola, there was Lassa Fever. Lassa is spread by mice/rats urine contamination. Ebola is from bats contaminating fruit. In Liberian English, when they refer to 'plums' they mean what you know as 'mangos'. Fruit bats eat on mangos, avocados (they call them 'butter pears'), bananas and plantains. People eat the fruit..... that's how it starts. Bush meat (which could be any small game: monkey, groundhog, pangolin, field rat, or various antelope) is not the *most* likely vector, but it is best to avoid it. I've eaten some of those.

      It's easy for y'all to be sarcastic about things like simple clinic structures and procedures not being what you expect in the US, but if you were there with no resources you'd do the best you could.

      We ran a medical/dental volunteer program for years, where even a sheet to divide rooms in a makeshift clinic was a luxury. If my mother were still alive, and still working there, I could easily see her being a casualty just like the two ELWA doctors.


      As for the comments about contamination via air travel, here's what should be the *real* concern: The guy who flew to Nigeria and died used the lavatory on the plane. The contents of the lav are now biohazard, and anyone who dumped the lav is now exposed, and the plane's lav plumbing is contaminated.

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      07-29-2014 04:43 PM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by OOOO-A3 View Post
      As for the comments about contamination via air travel, here's what should be the *real* concern: The guy who flew to Nigeria and died used the lavatory on the plane. The contents of the lav are now biohazard, and anyone who dumped the lav is now exposed, and the plane's lav plumbing is contaminated.
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      07-29-2014 08:15 PM #29
      Add China to the mix and we're all screwed

      Some crooked business man imports bush meat into China, then the Ebola mutates into some super virus b/c of all the pollution and the lack of food safety. Just recently, a major supplier to McDonalds, KFC etc. was busted for using expired meat and mishandling. Then it spreads to the populace

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      07-29-2014 08:35 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by XClayX View Post
      They seriously need to lock those countries down, reduce travel ect.
      Quote Originally Posted by 20DYNAMITE07 View Post
      Human to human transmission requires direct contact with blood or bodily fluids. It isn't airborne unless its a interspecies infection.
      Nonetheless...



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      07-29-2014 10:35 PM #31
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      I'll start making a Facebook group for Ebola 2014. Maybe we can get some soldiers sent over there if we get enough likes! (high five)
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      07-30-2014 02:10 AM #32
      Really interesting read here from a Doctor who was working on the ground Guinea

      http://news.unchealthcare.org/news/2...ntaining-ebola

      Sounds like it's really pretty hard to just get Ebola as long as you aren't exposed to the infected on a constant basis.
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      07-30-2014 06:54 AM #33
      No need to panic, this guy has got this...

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      07-30-2014 08:01 AM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by NoDubJustYet View Post
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      07-30-2014 09:15 AM #35
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      Bush meat. Specifically, monkey meat. Yummy. It's almost lunchtime.
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