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    Thread: Youtube at its worst. Shooting drills that can get you killed.

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      10-09-2014 08:48 AM #1
      In another thread we went over some shooting drills to help you stay alive. Now let's go over some that will help you to become a statistic. The goal of this thread is to highlight those flashy videos which look impressive but are in fact just full of bad advice which could get you killed. The point is not to critique music, camera angles, or anything other than the shooting methods used in the videos.

      Let's start with this one. How much bad advice do you see in this video?


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      "We're society's crowbar. They hate us, they never want to acknowledge the dirty jobs they give us to do, but when the job is done they never throw us away - they just slip us back in the toolbox until they need us the next time. And there will always be a next time."-Jim Hooper. Beneath the Visiting Moon: Images of Combat in Southern Africa

    2. 10-09-2014 11:25 AM #2
      how about hoody cover?

      you could, or will accidentally yourself.


    3. 10-09-2014 11:29 AM #3
      Quote Originally Posted by Obin Robinson View Post
      In another thread we went over some shooting drills to help you stay alive. Now let's go over some that will help you to become a statistic. The goal of this thread is to highlight those flashy videos which look impressive but are in fact just full of bad advice which could get you killed. The point is not to critique music, camera angles, or anything other than the shooting methods used in the videos.

      Let's start with this one. How much bad advice do you see in this video?


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      cars suck at stopping bullets, the only part I would consider getting behind and staying behind for more then concealment is the engine bay near the front wheel.

      the rest of the car might as well not be there. theres a jetta used for USPSA shooting in my back lot. these guys are shooting light load 9mm, and where misses are look like swiss cheese.

    4. 10-09-2014 02:17 PM #4
      The guy on the right...well...a car is better than nothing I suppose and he's behind the engine bay. The guy on the left...awkward proned position which shows his entire upper body to the threat - followed by awkward as f_ck split-leg sitting position to do mag reloads...and then puts himself right back where he was shooting from earlier.

      All in all, if you're in a field behind a car you're going to have a bad day anyway.

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      10-09-2014 06:24 PM #5
      Quote Originally Posted by dj age one View Post
      cars suck at stopping bullets, the only part I would consider getting behind and staying behind for more then concealment is the engine bay near the front wheel.

      the rest of the car might as well not be there. theres a jetta used for USPSA shooting in my back lot. these guys are shooting light load 9mm, and where misses are look like swiss cheese.
      Agreed.

      Quote Originally Posted by Elbows View Post
      The guy on the right...well...a car is better than nothing I suppose and he's behind the engine bay. The guy on the left...awkward proned position which shows his entire upper body to the threat - followed by awkward as f_ck split-leg sitting position to do mag reloads...and then puts himself right back where he was shooting from earlier.

      All in all, if you're in a field behind a car you're going to have a bad day anyway.
      What they did wrong:

      1) One the "contact" started they ran in straight lines. The enemy sniper thanks you for that one. It makes lining you up a lot easier.
      2) Cars aren't bulletproof. The engine block provides some cover but not much.
      3) Never look or put any body part OVER a barrier. Go with the assumption that whatever peeks over a barricade will get taken out by a sniper, a stray round, or fragmentation. It also tells the guy with the anti-materiel 20mm rifle that there's a soft target on the opposite side of that part of the cover.
      4) The tactical reloads took place while they were not behind cover.
      5) The left guy shooting around the side of the car has too much of his body exposed.
      6) Before running from behind the car they didn't look to either side or behind them to see if there was another ambush.

      My verdict: the guys in that video would do a great job fighting against paper targets with those tactics. They may last a few hours against unskilled enemy combatants with no training at all. Against trained professionals they won't last a day.

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      10-09-2014 06:26 PM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by dj age one View Post
      how about hoody cover?

      you could, or will accidentally yourself.
      WTF? bad idea central right there! i'll pretend this doesn't exist. this man is living in a video game world.

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      10-09-2014 07:57 PM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by Obin Robinson View Post
      In another thread we went over some shooting drills to help you stay alive. Now let's go over some that will help you to become a statistic. The goal of this thread is to highlight those flashy videos which look impressive but are in fact just full of bad advice which could get you killed. The point is not to critique music, camera angles, or anything other than the shooting methods used in the videos.

      Let's start with this one. How much bad advice do you see in this video?


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      While i'm not military (or even civil-) trained, I'm somewhat amazed at these guys, and not in a good way.

      1. Shooting through the cab? Windows are clear. And you have a great big part of your view blocked by the car sh*t. Bad guys can see you better than you see them.
      2. Not covering when reloading.
      3. John Woo shooter on the left. WTF.
      4. If you take cover behind a car, I would think the engine block and front wheel is the best spot, the rear wheel the second best. Unless you're hiding behind a Brinks truck.

      Those two guys look more like they're out hunting a deer "IT'S HEADING RIGHT FOR US!!"

      It's like in movies, when the bad guys are firing through walls, etc. The good guys are lying on the floor, as low as they can be. If I'm a bad guy, I'm aiming for the floor. If I ever have an unfortunate incident, I'm shooting low if I can't see my target (4 rules be damned!).

      I should get a tattoo "Tacticool 4 Lyfe"
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      10-09-2014 10:41 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by GreenandChrome View Post
      While i'm not military (or even civil-) trained, I'm somewhat amazed at these guys, and not in a good way.
      Even without formal training you get it! In the other thread I showed the link to the Free Syrian Army's finest recipients of the Syrian Arab Army's Golden Bullet Award. You know all those times that people practice in marksmanship classes to see if they can hit a clay pigeon from 300 yards away? How big is a human head? A bit larger than a clay pigeon right? You see where I'm going with this.

      Take a look at this video. We'll try to ignore the "never shoot over the top of an object" rule and zero in on another one. Watch this video first:


      Now do you want to know what happens in real life when you shoot lots of rounds and make lots of noise from the same location?


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      "We're society's crowbar. They hate us, they never want to acknowledge the dirty jobs they give us to do, but when the job is done they never throw us away - they just slip us back in the toolbox until they need us the next time. And there will always be a next time."-Jim Hooper. Beneath the Visiting Moon: Images of Combat in Southern Africa

    9. 10-10-2014 07:12 AM #9
      Well, I assume that certain things (straight line movement) is a little dictated by the range. I think almost all the "movement" I've seen on most ranges is always backward/forwards. And if they're drilling on shooting "around" a car...well I guess they have to use a car.

      It is pretty sad to see that the Iraqis learned all of...nothing from the years we spent trying to train them:



      Let's line-up all of our soft vehicles...in a row...broadside to the enemy. We'll also continue to not use our sights or optics...flag each other endlessly with guns (I know this is mostly unavoidable in any genuinely hectic fight), etc. Scary stuff. I'm quite sure the "special forces" simply means they have more patches than the other guys?

      PS: Obin I cannot express how much I was expecting the guy in your truck video to lose his sight-over-bore consideration and shoot that fire extinguisher in the truck bed...ohhh man, I was waiting for it!
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      10-10-2014 07:50 AM #10
      I am disappointed by the performance of the Iraqi Special Forces vid as well. I understand that people forget some stuff in combat but you can see videos of Marines in combat and they're not making the same rookie mistakes. That brings me to the next topic and when my wife saw this video she cringed. Let's ignore the shooting over barriers part and zero in one something which could lead to a really painful injury and lots of blood loss:



      23 seconds into the video this man apparently decides that he doesn't need a left hand. That "put your hand way up by the muzzle brake" crap is a nice tactic if you would rather end up with a mangled mass of bone and burnt flesh rather than a hand. There are plenty of times when people forget to put a rifle on safety. The pros do it and amateurs do it as well.

      Take a look at this Fallujah video 4:51 into it a Marine rushes out of a building and accidently discharges his M16. At least it goes into the ground:


      Imagine the guy in the top video with that same SBR in combat. If he's trained to fight with holding his rifle way up by the muzzle brake how do you think he would have made it through Fallujah? Do you notice how the Marines moved throughout the building? The forward hand is helping to support the weight of the heavy M16 barrel plus the PEQ, M203, or light on their weapon. That's as far forward as it needs to be. I was taught to basically balance the gun with your forward hand and keep your body in nice and tight. The object of the game is to make yourself into a small target whether viewed by the front or by the side.

      I am really liking where this thread is going and I'm glad to see that people are taking it seriously. If anything I'd rather that people at least take a critical look at the tactical shooting videos on youtube and call out the B.S. when they see it. On the same token it's also important to see where the pros make mistakes as well. Nobody's perfect but we all get better through proper training.

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      10-10-2014 09:55 AM #11
      The whole "C-clamp" thing drives me crazy... The 3 Gun, IPblahblah, etc. competition crap really bugs me actually. It's like those stupid Spetsnatz (however the **** you spell it) propaganda videos of them rolling around and ****.



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      10-10-2014 10:36 AM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by NoDubJustYet View Post
      The whole "C-clamp" thing drives me crazy... The 3 Gun, IPblahblah, etc. competition crap really bugs me actually. It's like those stupid Spetsnatz (however the **** you spell it) propaganda videos of them rolling around and ****.


      Ditto. I have my theories as to how it started but I don't want to go off topic about that here. It goes totally against the "keep yourself tucked in and make yourself a small target" mentality. You see that video with the snackbar getting shot by the sniper when he looks out the window? All the sniper needed was a small piece of exposed flesh and he went for it.

      What I'm also trying to warn people about is the existence of weapons like these 20mm anti-materiel rifles. When you pop your head above cover then it tells the Iranian "just aim at the spot on the barricade below where the head popped up." DO NOT FOR A MOMENT ASSUME THAT THE PEOPLE WHO YOU ARE AGAINST ARE A BUNCH OF GOMER PYLES. There are highly trained bad guys with years of experience that are waiting for you to make a stupid mistake. The Iranian with the black coat shouldn't be written off. He might be a novice or he might have a half million trigger pulls under his belt. Do you want to risk assuming it's the former when in fact it's the latter?


      How's hiding behind the back of a Ford escort going to help you when he's 1,000 yards away with that rifle? You'll be a big red smear on the ground. That's why I started this thread and I want to avoid people here making those mistakes.

      Here's what a real ambush looks like. It's terrifying. The bad guys aren't paper targets. They have automatic weapons. How many mistakes can you spot? There are a few obvious ones and it's the reason why this video is still used for training:


      Look at these guys training for an ambush. What's wrong with where the casevac is positioned?


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      10-10-2014 04:44 PM #14
      Looks like some fun little games in the Poletard videos. Dude in the silver car... you just hang out and do your taxes, have a smoke, whatever.
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      10-10-2014 06:00 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by MAC View Post
      Looks like some fun little games in the Poletard videos. Dude in the silver car... you just hang out and do your taxes, have a smoke, whatever.
      Yeah you gotta wonder about that. What's up with the casevac vehicle not pulling into a position where the disabled vehicle offers some cover? Why make your guys run out in the open like that?

      Revisiting the top ambush video watch how the Spetsnaz stay low behind the ambushed car. We know cars aren't bulletproof but the guys have at least provided a smaller silhouette for the bad guys to aim at. Go to exactly 3 minutes into this video.


      I'm not going to say anything bad about this one. I'll just drop it off here for your entertainment. It's obvious they're just having fun goofing around and there's no problem with that. What's scary is how often you ACTUALLY see this stuff though:


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      10-11-2014 10:10 PM #16
      Could anyone tell me what "training" is going on here? All I see is people burning ammo and calories:


      What's scary are the responses from people who say "I want to get training like this." Apparently they want to train to be a bullet magnet.

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      "We're society's crowbar. They hate us, they never want to acknowledge the dirty jobs they give us to do, but when the job is done they never throw us away - they just slip us back in the toolbox until they need us the next time. And there will always be a next time."-Jim Hooper. Beneath the Visiting Moon: Images of Combat in Southern Africa

    17. 10-13-2014 09:01 AM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by dj age one View Post
      how about hoody cover?

      you could, or will accidentally yourself.

      This was almost physically painful to watch.
      How many inexperienced guys are gonna watch that, and say to themselves "Hey, those are some pretty cool ideas!", and dead themselves by copying them.
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      10-13-2014 10:15 AM #18
      The whole concept relies on your adversary being directly in front of you if they aren't going to be able to observe everything strapped to your back, and then there's the whole muzzle sweeping yourself thing, and heaven help you if you ever fall on your back.

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      10-13-2014 12:45 PM #19
      OMG. Do people really do this? Why am I not surprised.

      Reaction time and speed is everything. At least in my opinion, since when ever I read stuff happening, it's all about speed. A few years ago some crazy guy shot some people (I think cops), ran through a neighborhood and carjacked an SUV. He didn't even give the woman a chance, he opened her door, shot her point blank in the head, and took the car. All these Tacticool guys would be "Aw, hell, he'd never get close to me, I'd draw down and drop is candy-ass." I'd venture a mass majority of people are situationally unaware.

      The shoulder/back rig is idiotic. Someone's gonna die trying that getup.
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      10-13-2014 01:36 PM #20
      Check out this money burning exercise. If America gets invaded by paper men who stand still and don't have guns these guys will be ready.


      Here's what real life looks like. It's a little faster, smokier, noisier, scarier, and more confusing.


      There's a BIG difference. If the guy in the top link wants to train NOT to get killed he should assume those paper targets are shooting at him. He better get used to booby-traps, mines, smoke, flames, and nasty chemical smells. Train like you'd fight and fight like you trained.

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    21. 10-15-2014 01:20 AM #21
      Here's my take on the situation:

      All of what you're seeing in these videos is often the best you're allowed to do when it comes to shooting instruction in this country. Now, ignoring some bad ideas, all of the classes I've ever seen are limited to one-direction engagements with zero mobility and shooting at static targets. They're really just weapon manipulation classes with a little front/back shuffling in order to make them seem far more tactical. A lot of these new classes/instructors/videos are just imitations of Magpul Dynamics style courses.

      99% of courses/instructors don't have the safety, or skilled personnel to really do 360 degree engagements etc. Everything is far too sterilized/safe/limited in the way we're essentially allowed to train. Hell it's even worse when you're in the normal rungs of the military. Safety, safety, safety, safety...with tactical capability or mindset falling far behind.

      I do think some of these instructors look a bit too blow-hard...but if it's the only training/classes they can get - it's better than nothing. If we're honest, it's basically impossible to live-fire train with normal civilians in a combat setting. I can't really fault them. What's more shocking is seeing what passes for marksmanship training in the Army etc. Everyone (soldier and civilian) will be way behind the power curve until they deploy and gain valuable experience in the field.

      I know if you're training with Blackwater, or the SEALs etc. you'll get some far more practical training. But civilians are often training for fun, weapon manipulation, and at worse...a home invader. I think this is another reason you see the emphasis on 1.2 second speed mag changes (how often will you use this in a real combat situation when you're low crawling behind some rocks while someone shoots at you from 300 yards...).

      I think most of this style shooting is more useful for say...SWAT officers, where they'll be dictating the time of action, in a small confined, somewhat controlled space etc. You don't see any of this stuff by deployed soldiers etc. So, I guess what I'm saying is I don't care. And any reasonable training is better than no training...as long as that guy is pointing a rifle in the same direction as me.

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      10-15-2014 07:21 AM #22
      I fully agree with everything you said 100%. I just wish those people put your exact post as a disclaimer in the description of the video. These videos are only good for shooting against paper targets. They're weapons manipulation drills which serve only to defend yourself against something that can't shoot at you. If they're doing this stuff to have fun and burn money then hey that's fine. Just let people know that the techniques you see in these videos are absolutely worthless in real life engagements.

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    23. 10-15-2014 08:21 AM #23
      Yep, I wish. Unfortunately we live in a world where people go and buy guns based on how they handle in Call of Duty..."man this gun does way more damage than that one...".

      I wish I could find a video I saw once of an engagement in Afghanistan. It was a Marine squad or platoon with a couple of ANA guys, all taking fire from a ridge and some buildings perhaps 200-400 yards away. The Marines were situated in a long alleyway between some adobe buildings. Guys were dumping mags blindly over the wall, including the guy filming who was a SAW gunner. He dumped two full nutsacks on full auto without aiming over the wall into the distance. Some guys were popping off M203's. No movement, constantly repeated positions, no actual sighting etc.

      Then to my surprise one of the ANA guys walks up with his RPK, finds a step, shoulders and fires off well controlled bursts...calmly moves to another spot etc. I thought to myself "what are f_cking chances these guys ran into the one squared away ANA trooper with more sense and fire discipline than the Marines around him...". Really blew my mind.

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      10-15-2014 03:59 PM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by Elbows View Post
      ...as long as that guy is pointing a rifle in the same direction as me.
      "Hey Grimes, remember when we're shooting to shoot in the same direction."

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      Yep, I wish. Unfortunately we live in a world where people go and buy guns based on how they handle in Call of Duty..."man this gun does way more damage than that one...".
      Sad but true. Just like all those tools that bought $50,000+ Lancer Evos because they were soooooo sick in Gran Turismo.
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      Quote Originally Posted by GreenandChrome View Post
      Sad but true. Just like all those tools that bought $50,000+ Lancer Evos because they were soooooo sick in Gran Turismo.
      So what you should be doing is come up with a tacticool device and get some product placement in an upcoming release of COD and make bank off it. Make friends with the programmers to ensure your device is practically a 'god-mode' force multiplier for the player.

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      Quote Originally Posted by LangsamKafer View Post
      So what you should be doing is come up with a tacticool device and get some product placement in an upcoming release of COD and make bank off it. Make friends with the programmers to ensure your device is practically a 'god-mode' force multiplier for the player.
      actually, my buddy and I want to come up with a trick device to hold our guns on the handicap rails in bathrooms.
      80 people! Do you know how much that is? Two 40s, you son of a b***h!
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      10-15-2014 07:54 PM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by LangsamKafer View Post
      So what you should be doing is come up with a tacticool device and get some product placement in an upcoming release of COD and make bank off it. Make friends with the programmers to ensure your device is practically a 'god-mode' force multiplier for the player.
      Just make sure to make it out of plastic and put lots of bearded guys in your ads. You'll be sure to sucker in a few hundred thousand people as well as an army of online apologists that come up with excuses why your cheap plastic accessories are the best thing in the history of weaponry.

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    28. 10-15-2014 07:58 PM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by GreenandChrome View Post
      actually, my buddy and I want to come up with a trick device to hold our guns on the handicap rails in bathrooms.
      DO IT!

    29. 10-15-2014 08:09 PM #29
      #tier1
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      Right?

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      10-15-2014 08:14 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by Elbows View Post
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      10-15-2014 08:50 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by Obin Robinson View Post
      Just make sure to make it out of plastic and put lots of bearded guys in your ads. You'll be sure to sucker in a few hundred thousand people as well as an army of online apologists that come up with excuses why your cheap plastic accessories are the best thing in the history of weaponry.

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      Don't forget cheapo guns and a shotgun that you can't even produce and if someone is lucky enough to find one, the damn thing won't work.
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      10-15-2014 08:58 PM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by NoDubJustYet View Post
      Don't forge cheapo guns and a shotgun that you can't even produce and if someone is lucky enough to find one, the damn thing won't work.
      Is a bearded guy (or a Ray Bans guy) wearing a Special Ops helmet selling it? Can it be found in a video game? Can you emulate those video game skillz in a youtube video while you run around with a chest rig full of plastic accessories? That's all that matters!

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      10-16-2014 08:40 AM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by Elbows View Post
      Yep, I wish. Unfortunately we live in a world where people go and buy guns based on how they handle in Call of Duty..."man this gun does way more damage than that one...".

      I wish I could find a video I saw once of an engagement in Afghanistan. It was a Marine squad or platoon with a couple of ANA guys, all taking fire from a ridge and some buildings perhaps 200-400 yards away. The Marines were situated in a long alleyway between some adobe buildings. Guys were dumping mags blindly over the wall, including the guy filming who was a SAW gunner. He dumped two full nutsacks on full auto without aiming over the wall into the distance. Some guys were popping off M203's. No movement, constantly repeated positions, no actual sighting etc.

      Then to my surprise one of the ANA guys walks up with his RPK, finds a step, shoulders and fires off well controlled bursts...calmly moves to another spot etc. I thought to myself "what are f_cking chances these guys ran into the one squared away ANA trooper with more sense and fire discipline than the Marines around him...". Really blew my mind.
      Have you ever heard of "The Last Hundred Yards" and other books in the series?
      http://posteritypress.org/books/last_hundred_yards.html

      The guy who wrote them is a retired Marine. I wonder what he'd have to say about that video? His books are considered to be the best ones written on modern warfare tactics. If you ever see one of the books in the series BUY IT!
      http://posteritypress.org/books/default.html

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      11-07-2014 10:18 AM #34
      Psshhh..anyone who's anyone knows you hide behind the gas tank of the car.

      That way, when the bad guy shoots the tank & it explodes (cause that's what happens when bullets hit gas tanks), creating a diversion.

      ...& if you happen to position yourself properly, the explosion will launch you behind their lines, setting up a totally cool ambush.
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    35. 11-16-2014 12:20 PM #35
      these civilians are the same exact guys who will turn into cannibal eating survivors when zombies finally show up...
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