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      12-28-2014 12:04 AM #1
      http://www.cnbc.com/id/102297363

      Not sure if that link works, but another plane missing with a weird message before disappearing. I'll post updates as I see them
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      12-28-2014 01:21 AM #2
      No new news showing currently. Oof.
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      12-28-2014 01:22 AM #3
      Looks like there was a lot of ITCZ monsoonal weather in the area.

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      12-28-2014 01:35 AM #5
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      12-28-2014 01:35 AM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by tree_hugger View Post
      That is a good link

      Apparently fuel would have run out by this time, so it's down at an unknown location.
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      12-28-2014 01:44 AM #7
      Reports of wreckage in the Java Sea, close to the location at last contact.

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      12-28-2014 02:02 AM #8
      It's been truly an awful year for Malaysia!

      R.I.P. to all onboard.
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      12-28-2014 02:10 AM #9
      Aviation experts saying this plane is able to float.
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      12-28-2014 02:21 AM #10
      Well, fingers crossed then.
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      12-28-2014 02:25 AM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by SwitchBack1 View Post
      a weird message
      NO! Nothing "weird" about deviating around weather, or deviating for a better path between storm cells. Don't make a conspiracy out of a routine non-issue.


      Quote Originally Posted by tree_hugger View Post
      Mostly, but some misinformed commentary too.

      Quote Originally Posted by Harv View Post
      Aviation experts saying this plane is able to float.
      Any plane is "able" to float under certain conditions..... which almost never occur (US1549 being the rarest of cases). If they got caught in extreme thunderstorm activity, no way it made a successful ditching with no radio calls. It'll be in pieces, all are dead. The remaining question is exactly what events led up to it.

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      12-28-2014 02:26 AM #12
      "Able to float" and "able to belly-land on stormy seas" are two very, very different things. The probability of the latter is zero, I'm afraid.

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      12-28-2014 02:27 AM #13
      Thoughts to all on board and their families.

      I've got tickets on Air Asia for June I flew Malaysia this year (by choice). I was on Singapore Flight 006 a month before it crashed. Feels like I'm dodging bullets here.
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      12-28-2014 03:10 AM #14
      So, how likely is it that a plane can be brought down by severe weather?? And how severe does it have to be?

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      12-28-2014 04:01 AM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by TurboSupra12 View Post
      So, how likely is it that a plane can be brought down by severe weather?? And how severe does it have to be?
      Considering the region, as severe as it gets, and that includes volcanoes.
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      12-28-2014 01:08 PM #16
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      12-28-2014 01:36 PM #17
      WTF? Does Malaysia have their own Bermuda's Triangle?
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      12-28-2014 02:05 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by TurboSupra12 View Post
      So, how likely is it that a plane can be brought down by severe weather?? And how severe does it have to be?
      Fly into a supercell? Or worse, the monsoon storms that were happening along their flightpath? Absolutely. That's why we divert around and above them.


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      12-28-2014 03:56 PM #19
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      12-28-2014 04:20 PM #20
      Emmett,
      I just noticed your avatar

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      As a pilot, obviously you guys are trained to skirt the storm and weave in and out. Could this be a case where the meteorologists couldn't predict the conditions and a monster cell bubbled up right on top of them? I can't think it could be a case of the Captain going "Eff it, let's punch the core and ride the lightning". I mean, they have this nice, pretty little screen with Rastafarian colors all over it going all Al Roker and the positronic dick deflector up from scanning all over the place.
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      12-28-2014 04:57 PM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by NWarty View Post
      Emmett,
      I just noticed your avatar

      OOOO-A3,
      As a pilot, obviously you guys are trained to skirt the storm and weave in and out. Could this be a case where the meteorologists couldn't predict the conditions and a monster cell bubbled up right on top of them? I can't think it could be a case of the Captain going "Eff it, let's punch the core and ride the lightning". I mean, they have this nice, pretty little screen with Rastafarian colors all over it going all Al Roker and the positronic dick deflector up from scanning all over the place.
      Sort of. There was massive weather activity. Storms are dynamic things, and predictions are *really* good but not perfect. They encountered weather they weren't happy with, they communicated that they were deviating around it / requested higher, and then something happened. We won't know what "something" is until the CVR & FDR are recovered. Nobody says "Eff it, let's punch the core". It's indisputably clear that this would be pretty much the same as sticking your hand in a running blender. There's no "maybe", it's a guaranteed bad outcome.

      To give you an idea of thunderstorm hazards...
      • Severe updrafts and downdrafts.
      • Severe hail, cast long distances from the top of towering cumulonimbus.
      • Sudden and intense buildup of ice.


      An encounter with extreme hail could account for no communications and sudden end to the flight. We'll know in a few days.


      There's also a phenomenon called 'radar shadowing' where a storm can be hidden from airborne radar, and you can get suckered into an area that you think is clear and is actually hazardous. We train to interpret this:




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      12-28-2014 05:48 PM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by Lwize View Post
      WTF? Does Malaysia have their own Bermuda's Triangle?
      I was wondering about this earlier today - we know that the Bermuda Triangle is a very real phenomenon of methane plumes. Could there be something weird going on geologically in this area that hasn't been documented yet?
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      12-28-2014 06:20 PM #23
      And thus starts CNN's 24/7 coverage for the next 3 months.

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      12-28-2014 07:01 PM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by atomicalex View Post
      I was wondering about this earlier today - we know that the Bermuda Triangle is a very real phenomenon of methane plumes. Could there be something weird going on geologically in this area that hasn't been documented yet?
      I think it comes down to **** luck, there are not enough incidents to come to this conclusion whereas the Bermuda Triangle has decades and decades of odd happenings.
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      12-28-2014 07:04 PM #25
      OOOO,
      Didn't AF447 run into radar shadowing if I remember correctly?


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      12-28-2014 07:54 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by NWarty View Post
      OOOO,
      Didn't AF447 run into radar shadowing if I remember correctly?


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      There was discussion of it on various message boards, but that is all noise. Too many uninformed people saying "well *I* think...." I didn't see any discussion of radar shadowing being a significant factor in the accident in the official BEA report. The crew's poor coordination and airmanship in reacting to an equipment malfunction was the root cause. They will forever be held up as an example of what not to do, like many other crews before them.

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      12-28-2014 08:16 PM #27
      Search for the plane has resumed. Is weather really that unpredictable (I know weather is predictable to a certain degree but there is always certain locations that are more unpredictable than others) In that area of Asia.
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      12-28-2014 08:43 PM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by Old Windy View Post
      Is weather really that unpredictable ... in that area of Asia?
      It seems it's exceptionally bad these last few days:

      http://www.euronews.com/2014/12/27/m...ern-peninsula/

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      Last "theory"; pilot error à la AF447. That was quick on the trigger.

      Aviation expert Geoffrey Thomas spoke to several check captains and believes the pilot of the QZ8501 encountered difficult weather conditions but flew too slow in his efforts to avoid it.
      'The QZ8501 was flying too slow, about 100 knots which is about 160 km/h too slow. At that altitude that's exceedingly dangerous,' Mr Thomas said.
      'Pilots believe that the crew, in trying to avoid the thunderstorm by climbing, somehow have found themselves flying too slow and thus induced an aerodynamic stall similar to the circumstances of the loss of Air France AF447 to crash in 2009,' Mr Thomas told AAP.


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      Quote Originally Posted by mx5er View Post
      And thus starts CNN's 24/7 coverage for the next 3 months.
      Oh goodie, we get to see more of Lemon and his toy plane and black hole theory

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      Quote Originally Posted by tuned2ride View Post
      Last "theory"; pilot error à la AF447. That was quick on the trigger.



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      When I first read about this flight, I saw "tried to climb above rough weather" and "Airbus," and I had a feeling AF447 would come up.
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      12-29-2014 02:30 PM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by OOOO-A3 View Post
      Nobody says "Eff it, let's punch the core". It's indisputably clear that this would be pretty much the same as sticking your hand in a running blender. There's no "maybe", it's a guaranteed bad outcome.
      You mean to say that the scene in "Flight" where Denzel speeds up to Vne to punch through the worst of the storm isn't true? My life is a lie.
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      12-29-2014 03:00 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by mx5er View Post
      And thus starts CNN's 24/7 coverage for the next 3 months.
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      12-29-2014 03:09 PM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by emmettlodge View Post
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      Yep. It'd be cool to be proven wrong here, but I don't think that's going to happen.
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