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      got solid rear bushings coming in this week, pretty sure it already ripped the stock bushings to pieces also got headgasket, rocker clamp things and a fuel pump because were going to throw the head from the 68 on my 76. it has a bigger cam and valve springs. were already thinking about engine swaps (ls1 and 13b's)
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      It does sound great, but it also shows how little horsepower they had.
      Hey, they have 100... What do you want?


      Hmmmm, come to think of it, that's exactly double my car... Until the upcoming heart transplant. Mwa ha haaa!
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      Quote Originally Posted by freedo84gti View Post
      got solid rear bushings coming in this week, pretty sure it already ripped the stock bushings to pieces also got headgasket, rocker clamp things and a fuel pump because were going to throw the head from the 68 on my 76. it has a bigger cam and valve springs. were already thinking about engine swaps (ls1 and 13b's)
      woo, them's is noisy! Are you going to put a rubber washer in there to dampen it a bit?
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      02-09-2015 07:41 PM #55
      My GF dad is a vintage BMW guy. Some of the 2002s that come to his show are awesome.

      Also this is in my mechanics shop for some work.





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      02-09-2015 07:42 PM #56
      Quote Originally Posted by freedo84gti View Post
      its awful cant wait to up the power
      I think 76 was the worst year for power output. More power can be had with a header, earlier cylinder head (if you want to get crazy), lots of camshaft options, and carburetors. If you're going to spend the money on a carb, I'd probably skip the Weber DGV downdraught conversion and go for a single or pair of DCOEs. You'll lose some low speed drivability with dual DCOE's, but they give a pretty massive top end wallop.

      Don't need to swap in an LS! Remember, M10's powered the Brabham and Benetton Formula 1 cars.
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      02-09-2015 07:49 PM #57
      Quote Originally Posted by geofftii2002 View Post
      I think 76 was the worst year for power output. More power can be had with a header, earlier cylinder head (if you want to get crazy), lots of camshaft options, and carburetors. If you're going to spend the money on a carb, I'd probably skip the Weber DGV downdraught conversion and go for a single or pair of DCOEs. You'll lose some low speed drivability with dual DCOE's, but they give a pretty massive top end wallop.

      Don't need to swap in an LS! Remember, M10's powered the Brabham and Benetton Formula 1 cars.
      68 head with cam should be going on this weekend. was planning on doing dual side drafts on the carbs. only reason were considering ls1 or 13b is for pure ****s and giggles. we want a car that can be a tire slayer. all performance parts that ive already put on this car will probably end up on the 75 if we ever do a swap. i am getting a spare m10 engine that were trying to decide what to do with it.

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      02-09-2015 09:58 PM #59
      Quote Originally Posted by freedo84gti View Post
      got solid rear bushings coming in this week, pretty sure it already ripped the stock bushings to pieces also got headgasket, rocker clamp things and a fuel pump because were going to throw the head from the 68 on my 76. it has a bigger cam and valve springs. were already thinking about engine swaps (ls1 and 13b's)
      13b as in Rotary? Should be very entertaining!

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      13b as in Rotary? Should be very entertaining!
      yes sir! theres supposedly a guy who builds bad ass rotarys down the street from our porsche shop
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      02-10-2015 01:05 AM #61
      Thats a pic from BMW2002FAQ.com, the OP said it was making 300 hp, from 1.3 liters that ain't bad. I'd like to go back in time and tell myself to buy the 2002. Although I really enjoyed the RX-7. I had bilstieins, cat back exhaust and weber carb. Repainted, debadged and after I did all that it was stolen for a joy ride and totaled. ah, memories.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Bustov View Post
      Thats a pic from BMW2002FAQ.com, the OP said it was making 300 hp, from 1.3 liters that ain't bad. I'd like to go back in time and tell myself to buy the 2002. Although I really enjoyed the RX-7. I had bilstieins, cat back exhaust and weber carb. Repainted, debadged and after I did all that it was stolen for a joy ride and totaled. ah, memories.

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      Nice! Is there a build thread on the rotary 2002?
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      02-10-2015 08:59 AM #63
      I just googled BMW 2002 and 13B

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      02-10-2015 08:15 PM #64
      went to the rotary shop today. cool guy running it and was definitely interested in us putting a rotary in the car. if we make enough money on the 75 were probably going to go the rotary route
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      02-10-2015 08:29 PM #65
      Quote Originally Posted by Bustov View Post
      Thats a pic from BMW2002FAQ.com, the OP said it was making 300 hp, from 1.3 liters that ain't bad. I'd like to go back in time and tell myself to buy the 2002. Although I really enjoyed the RX-7. I had bilstieins, cat back exhaust and weber carb. Repainted, debadged and after I did all that it was stolen for a joy ride and totaled. ah, memories.

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      Some 2002 inspiration to keep you stoked

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      02-11-2015 12:55 PM #68
      Quote Originally Posted by geofftii2002 View Post
      I think 76 was the worst year for power output. More power can be had with a header, earlier cylinder head (if you want to get crazy), lots of camshaft options, and carburetors. If you're going to spend the money on a carb, I'd probably skip the Weber DGV downdraught conversion and go for a single or pair of DCOEs. You'll lose some low speed drivability with dual DCOE's, but they give a pretty massive top end wallop.

      Don't need to swap in an LS! Remember, M10's powered the Brabham and Benetton Formula 1 cars.
      Remember with Dual DCOE's you need to use the Tii brake booster as they interfere with the stock booster. I've also heard that the Weber 2 barrel 38 syncronous, can't remember the designation, is almost as good only losing a little top end HP and almost identical bottom end. For $299 direct from Weber with linkages and a 292 cam it might be what I use on my 75.

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      02-11-2015 01:11 PM #69
      Quote Originally Posted by Corrado1900T View Post
      Remember with Dual DCOE's you need to use the Tii brake booster as they interfere with the stock booster. I've also heard that the Weber 2 barrel 38 syncronous, can't remember the designation, is almost as good only losing a little top end HP and almost identical bottom end. For $299 direct from Weber with linkages and a 292 cam it might be what I use on my 75.
      Yes, that's true. There are some clearance issues with DCOE's in a standard 2002. Is it the 38 DGES? That's the one with the electric choke, I think. That's a good carb, too. I forgot about that one.

      The 32 DGV is the one that just sorta makes more noise than the solex, but not a whole lot else.
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      02-11-2015 01:46 PM #70
      Quote Originally Posted by geofftii2002 View Post
      Yes, that's true. There are some clearance issues with DCOE's in a standard 2002. Is it the 38 DGES? That's the one with the electric choke, I think. That's a good carb, too. I forgot about that one.

      The 32 DGV is the one that just sorta makes more noise than the solex, but not a whole lot else.
      It could be a DCNF, but if so that's no longer available (to the best of my knowledge).

      If I remember correctly, the DGV series (DGEV/DGAV) were mirror-images of the DFV series, which is a progressive carb. That's usually a 32/36 DFV. I'm not sure how that relates to the DGES.


      As I understood it the system was supposed to be "E" for electric choke and "A" for a water choke with no letter for carbs without a choke, but that never explained the DCOE, unless the E at the end denoted something else, as the choke number in the carbs so equipped that I'm familiar with had the choke letter in the third position.

      Anyone know for sure?
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      You got me. I have 32/36 DGAV's, and I have no idea how the designations make sense on the DCOE's.
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      02-12-2015 12:55 PM #72
      38 DGES is the synchronous carb I was talking about. It provides almost the same airflow as the DCOE's with much better drivability. For the money I would go this route unless you are considering a track day car then go with the 45 DCOE's. Too much burping, farting and popping off of the line to deal with them on a daily basis.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Corrado1900T View Post
      38 DGES is the synchronous carb I was talking about. It provides almost the same airflow as the DCOE's with much better drivability. For the money I would go this route unless you are considering a track day car then go with the 45 DCOE's. Too much burping, farting and popping off of the line to deal with them on a daily basis.
      The low end performance is particularly bad on new webers. When you buy kits, they're mostly Spanish made and the castings aren't that great. We had nothing but trouble with a customer's E-Type we did a triple DCOE conversion on, the transfer ports were in different places on each carb - it was nearly impossible to get it to run at anything less than full throttle. Italian made DCOE's never had that sort of issue - I mean, they always dump a lot of fuel and require a good deal of throttle blippery, but they would at least run.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Corrado1900T View Post
      38 DGES is the synchronous carb I was talking about. It provides almost the same airflow as the DCOE's with much better drivability. For the money I would go this route unless you are considering a track day car then go with the 45 DCOE's. Too much burping, farting and popping off of the line to deal with them on a daily basis.
      I'd say that's more an issue with size than carb type, as 45s are freakin' huge! Knock that down to a pair of 40 DCOEs (very close to the bore size of the 38 DGES) and your drivability will improve by a large amount. When the air doesn't flow through a carb quickly enough the fuel that's suspended in tiny droplets starts to coalesce into larger droplets which don't burn all the way through. That'll make it run sooty at low RPM and really wake up once the flow is enough to use those large carbs.

      Quote Originally Posted by geofftii2002 View Post
      The low end performance is particularly bad on new webers. When you buy kits, they're mostly Spanish made and the castings aren't that great. We had nothing but trouble with a customer's E-Type we did a triple DCOE conversion on, the transfer ports were in different places on each carb - it was nearly impossible to get it to run at anything less than full throttle. Italian made DCOE's never had that sort of issue - I mean, they always dump a lot of fuel and require a good deal of throttle blippery, but they would at least run.
      Unfortunately I've heard that from a few different sources. The real old-school VW builders will pay a premium for vintage Italian 48 IDAs over a new set of Spanish 48 IDAs. Gene Berg is known to re-drill, drill more (IDAs used to have 2 holes), or bore out the progression holes, which is how he got 42 DCNFs to run really well in large street-driven VW engines.

      Also: at "blippery".

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      02-15-2015 05:31 PM #75
      75 should be here saturday. yesterday we patched some holes in the floor, installed solid rear bushing for the dif and rear control arms and took it out sliding in the dusting of snow we had. 90% sure we hurt the dif doing that getting pretty good at sliding it though. waiting on parts from Ireland engineering motorsports so we can swap the head
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