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      07-25-2015 10:10 AM #1
      So apparently a bill has been passed that prevents states from mandatory labeling GMO in food.

      Congressman Mike Pompeo proudly put this up on his FB page:

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      SAFLA is a clear victory for Kansas farmers, Kansas families, and the next billion people. I am very pleased that we are able to move legislation forward that is going to help Kansas farmers, our agricultural community, and everyone who wants to provide safe and affordable food.
      The responses have been overwhelmingly against it, my personal favourite being "Filthy scum.". What do you guys think?
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    2. 07-25-2015 10:20 AM #2
      I believe its everyones right to know what they are eating. For me this just means that I probably wont buy anything that is off a super market shelf unless clearly marked by the manufacturer. I eat a mostly whole foods diet any way but I do choose thing like cereal based off of this and some other factors.

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      07-25-2015 10:27 AM #3
      While I think the whole anti-GMO craziness is mostly for fashion, I definitely believe people have the right to know what they're eating.

      Why exactly is not needing to label GMO's good for Farmers? Or anyone for that matter?
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      07-25-2015 10:50 AM #4
      Quote Originally Posted by GtIVR6-RJ View Post
      While I think the whole anti-GMO craziness is mostly for fashion, I definitely believe people have the right to know what they're eating.

      Why exactly is not needing to label GMO's good for Farmers? Or anyone for that matter?
      Everything you eat is GMO. We've been manipulating plants for millennia. Now, we are better at it. The research papers i've looked at say GMO, organic, or whatever foods are all the same. A tomato is a tomato, an ear of corn is corn, a bean is a bean. It doesn't matter so much how it was grown, they all have the same basic nutritional elements. Forcing farmers to level their crops GMO could severely impact their ability to make a living due to the Jenny McCarthy facebook activism style of plastering misleading and ignorant infographics all over social media. My only concern with GMO crops is if it is having a negative effect on other species, like bees.
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    5. 07-25-2015 10:52 AM #5
      How do these bills always end up being called exactly the opposite of what they actually are? Seems time for a Safe and Accurate Bill Labeling Act (SABLA), that is true to its name.
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      07-25-2015 11:54 AM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by A.Wilder View Post
      Everything you eat is GMO. We've been manipulating plants for millennia. Now, we are better at it. The research papers i've looked at say GMO, organic, or whatever foods are all the same. A tomato is a tomato, an ear of corn is corn, a bean is a bean. It doesn't matter so much how it was grown, they all have the same basic nutritional elements. Forcing farmers to level their crops GMO could severely impact their ability to make a living due to the Jenny McCarthy facebook activism style of plastering misleading and ignorant infographics all over social media.
      Makes sense. Like I said in my post, I'm well aware it's mostly fashionable to rant about GMO products. I guess I just never thought of how mostly everything needs to be labeled GMO at this point. But again, makes sense, as simply cloning a plant to produce consistent crops is technically modifying genetics.

      My only concern with GMO crops is if it is having a negative effect on other species, like bees.
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      08-01-2015 12:55 AM #7
      Wouldn't it make more sense to label food that is non-GMO?
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      08-05-2015 03:05 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by A.Wilder View Post
      Everything you eat is GMO. We've been manipulating plants for millennia. Now, we are better at it. The research papers i've looked at say GMO, organic, or whatever foods are all the same. A tomato is a tomato, an ear of corn is corn, a bean is a bean. It doesn't matter so much how it was grown, they all have the same basic nutritional elements. Forcing farmers to level their crops GMO could severely impact their ability to make a living due to the Jenny McCarthy facebook activism style of plastering misleading and ignorant infographics all over social media. My only concern with GMO crops is if it is having a negative effect on other species, like bees.
      I'm not even sure how to respond to this but its absolutely untrue... Just because we manipulate how food grows in the garden does not mean the all seeds to date are somehow GMO. We "manipulate" foods simply by the way we hang them or prune them and so on... Food evolves just like we do but spraying seeds and plants and roots with chemicals to make them grow faster and larger and to kill of pests... Well that's a hell of a different product than I grow in my garden
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      08-05-2015 03:42 PM #9
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      I'm not even sure how to respond to this but its absolutely untrue... Just because we manipulate how food grows in the garden does not mean the all seeds to date are somehow GMO. We "manipulate" foods simply by the way we hang them or prune them and so on... Food evolves just like we do but spraying seeds and plants and roots with chemicals to make them grow faster and larger and to kill of pests... Well that's a hell of a different product than I grow in my garden
      This has absolutely nothing to do with something being GMO.
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      08-05-2015 09:29 PM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by skydive_007 View Post
      I'm not even sure how to respond to this but its absolutely untrue... Just because we manipulate how food grows in the garden does not mean the all seeds to date are somehow GMO. We "manipulate" foods simply by the way we hang them or prune them and so on... Food evolves just like we do but spraying seeds and plants and roots with chemicals to make them grow faster and larger and to kill of pests... Well that's a hell of a different product than I grow in my garden
      Is your complaint with non-organic agricultural methods, or with GMOs?
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      08-06-2015 02:48 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by Turbio! View Post
      Is your complaint with non-organic agricultural methods, or with GMOs?
      non-organic agricultural methods, I spoke to soon against GMO... wrong subject clearly.. sorry guys
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      08-09-2015 09:09 AM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by skydive_007 View Post
      non-organic agricultural methods, I spoke to soon against GMO... wrong subject clearly.. sorry guys
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      08-12-2015 09:13 PM #13
      Good thing for the BUYCOTT app. It at least is an attempt to scan and screen GMO foods based off of the campaigns you join. I, for one, will always screen what I am eating. Preventative care if the way of the future of better health. Not reactive care as the healthcare industry is proudly to support.

      Also, here is an article about the law being passed with some great statistics.
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      08-20-2015 10:51 AM #14
      I think most consumers have no idea what a gmo is and are just scared it's got some weird chemicals or something. No need to label anything, it'd cause unnecessary alarm and panic that's misplaced.
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      08-20-2015 10:58 AM #15
      I for one am beginning a campaign to demand labeling with the name of the migrant worker that harvested my produce from the field.
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      I for one am beginning a campaign to demand labeling with the name of the migrant worker that harvested my produce from the field.
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      08-20-2015 10:29 PM #17
      Food Goes ‘GMO Free’ With Same Ingredients
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      The GMO Fight Ripples Down the Food Chain
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      Two years ago, Ben & Jerry's Homemade Inc. initiated a plan to eliminate genetically modified ingredients from its ice cream, an effort to address a nascent consumer backlash and to fulfill its own environmental goals.

      This fall, nearly a year behind schedule, it expects to finish phase one, affecting its flavorful "chunks and swirls" like cookie dough and caramel. The only part left to convert: the milk that makes ice cream itself. Thanks to the complexities of sourcing milk deemed free of genetically modified material, that could take five to 10 more years.

      "There's a lot more that goes into it than people realize," said Rob Michalak, Ben & Jerry's director of social mission.

      Two decades after the first genetically engineered seeds were sold commercially in the U.S., genetically modified organisms—the crops grown from such seeds—are the norm in the American diet, used to make ingredients in about 80% of packaged food, according to industry estimates. (Take a quiz about GMOs.)

      Now an intensifying campaign, spearheaded by consumer and environmental advocacy groups like Green America, is causing a small but growing number of mainstream food makers to jettison genetically modified organisms, or GMOs. In addition to Ben & Jerry's, a subsidiary of Unilever PLC, General Mills Inc. this year started selling its original flavor Cheerios without GMOs. Post Holdings Inc. took the GMOs out of Grape-Nuts. Boulder Brands Inc.'s Smart Balance has converted to non-GMO for its line of margarine and other spreads. Chipotle Mexican Grill Inc. is switching to non-GMO corn tortillas. "Non-GMO" is one of the fastest-growing label trends on U.S. food packages, with sales of such items growing 28% last year to about $3 billion, according to market-research firm Nielsen. In a poll of nearly 1,200 U.S. consumers for The Wall Street Journal, Nielsen found that 61% of consumers had heard of GMOs and nearly half of those people said they avoid eating them. The biggest reason was because it "doesn't sound like something I should eat."

      Grass roots campaigns in several states are pushing for mandatory labeling of foods with GMOs—something most food companies staunchly oppose. In May, Vermont adopted the first state law requiring companies to label GMO foods, starting in 2016.

      The anti-GMO backlash reflects the deep skepticism that has taken root among many U.S. consumers toward the food industry and, in particular, its use of technology. Similar criticism has roiled other food ingredients including artificial sweeteners and finely textured beef, the treated meat product that critics dubbed "pink slime." The Web and social media have enabled consumer suspicions in such matters to coalesce into powerful movements that are forcing companies to respond.


      Critics of GMOs—which have combined genes from different organisms to make some staple crops more durable—say there haven't been enough independent studies on the long-term health and environmental consequences of what they dub as "Frankenfood." They cite a handful of studies outside the U.S. that found toxic effects on animals fed genetically modified crops, and point out that 64 nations, including the European Union countries and China, require labeling of GMO products.

      "If it turns out that after doing the studies, the scientific evidence shows GMOs are OK, I will change my mind," said Alisa Gravitz, a board member of the Non-GMO Project and chief executive of Green America. "But until then, why infect our entire food supply with this, when the early studies, the bona fide, peer-reviewed ones, throw up some red flags?"

      For its part, the food industry says those studies are inconclusive and that none has shown any link to harm to humans. Proponents also point out that GMO crops used in the U.S.—which also include alfalfa, cotton, papaya and squash—have been approved by the Food and Drug Administration, which doesn't mandate labeling food that contains them. And even though the European Union requires labeling in member countries, it has approved many GMO foods as safe for consumption.

      The debate aside, how companies like General Mills and Ben & Jerry's fare in dropping GMOs will offer a guide to others that are considering it. So far, the process has proved expensive, complex and politically dicey. For Ben & Jerry's, the premium for non-GMO ingredients ranged from 5% to 20%, reflecting how deeply rooted the technology is in the U.S. food chain. Ben & Jerry's says it plans to eat the costs rather than pass them on to customers.

      But the forerunners are also encouraging farmers and ingredient manufacturers to increase the supply of non-GMO items, which could make it easier for food makers to follow.

      Certainly, the stakes are large for companies like Monsanto Co. and DuPont Co., which sell genetically engineered seeds to give crops traits like the ability to repel insects or resist weed killers. Today, more than 90% of corn, canola, soybean and sugar beet crops in the U.S. are genetically modified. Most of the produce Americans consume directly isn't GMO, but the crops are used to produce common ingredients like corn syrup, soy lecithin and more than half of the sugar consumed in the U.S.—plus the feed consumed by most of the nation's livestock.

      In a statement, a spokeswoman for Monsanto said the company was confident about the safety of its seeds based on an "extensive body of rigorous testing" by company and independent researchers. DuPont pointed out the technology was backed by "regulatory agencies and scientific organizations around the world." The switch to GMO, proponents say, has led to higher crop yields and lower food costs.

      When a big brand announces plans to drop GMOs, it stirs the debate further. GMO backers criticized General Mills for its change to Cheerios, saying it gave credence to misperceptions of the technology. Anti-GMO groups quickly started calling on General Mills to drop them from its Honey Nut Cheerios, too. The company said that changing the ingredients of its other cereals would be too difficult, but that GMO products are safe, adding that it offered the non-GMO variety to give consumers more options.

      Non-GMO chocolate chunks used in some Ben & Jerry's ice cream. CHERYL SENTER FOR THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

      Ben & Jerry's, which ranks fifth among U.S. ice cream brands by sales, says it doesn't consider GMOs unsafe to humans either, but has always positioned itself as an environmentally friendly, socially progressive brand. Executives long wanted to drop GMOs, which they feel are part of industrialized, chemical-intensive agriculture that the company opposes, said Mr. Michalak, the social mission director. But the company didn't start discussing converting its flavors with suppliers until 2012.

      That year, anti-GMO advocates got on the California ballot Proposition 37, a measure requiring GMO labeling similar to the one that later passed in Vermont. Food and agriculture companies poured more than $46 million into advertising to fight the measure, saying it would confuse consumers and raise food costs. The measure narrowly failed to pass, but it galvanized GMO opponents and put the industry on notice.

      Ben & Jerry's didn't get directly involved in the California fight. But the battle "catalyzed the movement for us," said Cheryl Pinto, Ben & Jerry's ingredient sourcing manager. "When all the non-GMO hoopla hit the fan, we realized we better accelerate our conversion."

      Aside from the milk, Ben & Jerry's said most ice cream ingredients were already non-GMO. Still, the company needed to check with suppliers and rigorously investigate all 110 ingredients it uses to make ice cream. Among the surprises: finding out a product couldn't be considered non-GMO if the supplier dusted the pan with cornstarch before baking. The supplier had to switch to rice starch.

      "Our suppliers generally had to negotiate all the way down the supply chain to get to the farmer," Ms. Pinto said.

      At the farm level, companies confront a chicken-or-egg-type conundrum. Food makers are hesitant to commit to dropping GMOs until they are sure they can find sufficient sources of non-GMO crops. But farmers are reluctant to switch seeds unless they know there will be guaranteed demand for non-GMO crops at a premium price.

      Mercaris, a market data researcher, said prices last year for non-GMO corn averaged 51 cents per bushel higher than those for regular, GMO corn. That is a significant difference for farmers when the national average corn price was between $4 to $4.50. But some farmers also worry that dropping GMO seeds could lower their yields, meaning fewer bushels per acre.

      Ben & Jerry's paid an average of 11% more for each ingredient that changed to a non-GMO version. In some cases that also included the higher cost of sourcing ingredients from Fair Trade suppliers—those certified as paying fair prices to producers in developing countries—which it did simultaneously.

      The company says it can't quantify how much it spent on the non-GMO conversion in total. "It was really expensive," Ms. Pinto said. "Surcharges came in from transportation. Instead of buying beet sugar from down the road, you're buying cane sugar from much farther away." The conversion also required time and money to design new labeling and marketing and carry out legal reviews, she said.

      For its Chubby Hubby ice cream, Ben & Jerry's had to change peanut butter pretzel suppliers because ConAgra Foods Inc., which bought the company that supplied the pretzels, was unwilling or unable to adhere to the non-GMO and Fair Trade requirements, according to people familiar with the situation. The change in suppliers also caused a shift from peanut butter-filled pretzels to peanut butter-coated ones, prompting some consumers to complain. ConAgra declined to comment.

      To some degree, Ben & Jerry's process was simple relative to what some companies put themselves through. Unlike with organic foods—which also can't contain GMOs but must follow additional restrictions—the government sets no standard for what qualifies as "non-GMO." Companies seeking some authoritative imprimatur must go to third-party certifiers, usually the Non-GMO Project, a nonprofit group founded by natural foods retailers. It vets applicants with an almost religious exactitude.

      To gain its certification, Enjoy Life Foods LLC, a small Schiller Park, Ill.-based company that makes gluten- and allergen-free snacks, traced its honey to the hive. "We had to go to our honey suppliers, who went to the bee keepers, who had to actually determine how far the bees could fly to make sure they weren't cross-pollinating at any GMO fields," said Joel Warady, its chief sales and marketing officer.

      He said the company thought it was done a year before it actually was, because Non-GMO Project kept coming with questions, including how far their bees flew. "I was like, 'Are you serious? I don't know,' " said Mr. Warady. " 'I didn't talk to the bees.' "

      The Non-GMO Project, which has verified more than 17,000 products, says such lengths are necessary to ensure the bees aren't feeding on nectar or pollen from GMO crops. Thus, the organization requires a four-mile radius from the bee hives be clear of GMO fields.

      "Consumers don't know how difficult it is, but they also don't care how difficult it is," said Mr. Warady. "They say, 'I want the food all natural. I want it to be non-GMO. I want it to taste great. And by the way, I don't want to pay any more for that. Figure it out.' " Enjoy Life Foods doesn't explicitly pass on the added costs, but its food is already priced at a premium to mainstream brands. For its part, Ben & Jerry's didn't seek Non-GMO Project certification, citing the complexity, but does use an auditor. "For us, our size and our scale, we had to be" realistic about where to start, Ms. Pinto said.

      The number of big companies that have announced plans to drop GMOs is still small. Big industry groups like the Grocery Manufacturers Association say the trend is baseless, but they admit it is growing. They continue to lobby against GMO labeling and tout the benefits of the technology.

      Still, industry executives say many of those companies are asking suppliers to develop non-GMO options so that they can be ready in case label mandates spread, which the companies fear could hurt products containing GMOs. Brian Sethness, senior account executive at Sethness Products Co., which supplies caramel coloring to major food and beverage companies, said the company is receiving more inquiries about non-GMO products than ever before. "Most haven't pulled the trigger yet though, they just want to know what's out there," he said.

      For Ben & Jerry's, the biggest hurdle is milk. The vast majority of the feed given to dairy cows in the U.S. is made with GMO corn, soybeans and alfalfa. That makes it difficult to find non-GMO milk in quantities large enough for Ben & Jerry's, so the company hasn't committed to doing it. Labeling laws like the one passed in Vermont don't apply to meat or dairy derived from animals that consumed GMO animal feed, buying Ben & Jerry's more time. "We are having conversations with multiple stakeholders throughout the entire supply chain," Mr. Michalak said. "It's a slow process."
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      08-20-2015 10:56 PM #19
      Jesus, totally gone and jumped the shark, need to ensure bees are feeding on gmo flowers. smh. shake. my. head.
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      Jesus, totally gone and jumped the shark, need to ensure bees are feeding on gmo flowers. smh. shake. my. head.

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      08-20-2015 11:27 PM #21
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      Eat more GMO and can me in the morning
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      The Department of Agriculture is being sued for withholding information about GMOS

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      (Reuters) - A food safety advocacy group sued an arm of the U.S. Department of Agriculture on Tuesday, saying it illegally withheld public information on genetically engineered crops.

      The lawsuit, brought by the Center for Food Safety (CFS) against the USDA's Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS), claims the regulator has routinely failed to respond as required to requests for records that relate to many concerns with the GMO crops.

      The lawsuit accuses the agency of violating the Freedom of Information Act dozens of times, unlawfully withholding information for more than 13 years. APHIS had no immediate response.

      In particular, the lawsuit alleges that the agency failed to respond as required to requests for records related to new GMO regulations that APHIS proposed in 2008 but withdrew earlier this year.

      The lawsuit also accuses the agency of failing to respond as required to inquiries about the handling of experimental genetically engineered wheat that was found growing uncontrolled in an Oregon field in 2013. That incident led to lost U.S. wheat export sales as foreign markets feared contaminated supplies.

      The lawsuit says APHIS has also failed to respond to requests or withheld records it sought about the handling of other experimental crops that the group believes have escaped review and regulation.

      The requests have covered GMO wheat, rice, alfalfa, sugar beets, bent grass, corn and other GMOs. Delays in providing information have run years for some requests, and violated federal law covering the release of public information, according to the lawsuit.

      For years, advocacy groups, lawmakers and others critics have harshly criticized U.S. regulation of GMOs as too lax. APHIS has been cited in government auditing for oversight lapses. Some GMO contamination events have led to food recalls and disrupted trade.

      In July, the White House directed APHIS and the two other U.S. agencies that oversee biotech crop products, the Environmental Protection Agency and the Food and Drug Administration, to improve and modernize their regulatory framework to boost public confidence.

      The CFS lawsuit, filed in federal court in Washington, asks the court to declare APHIS's actions unlawful and order the agency to produce the records by date to be set by the court. CFS also asks that the court supervise the regulator for compliance.

      The Freedom of Information Act provides for the release of federal agency records when requested, with certain exemptions and provisions, and imposes strict deadlines on government agencies to respond.

      (Reporting by Carey Gillam; Editing by David Gregorio)
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      [IMG]Stupid picture[/IMG]
      1.8TRabbit, know this wasn't your doing, as you're just quoting the pic from the article, but the mixed messages from the anti-GMO crowd are irritating. Do you want GMO foods labelled or banned? Because the guy in the front of this picture wants a ban. I can *almost* understand wanting the labels (even though obviously there is no peer-reviewed scientific data to support that GMO foods have ANY effect on the human body, begging the question what exactly the labels are for), but calling for an all-out ban is a different issue altogether (and, as an aside, asinine).
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      This just in: US consumers call for mandatory labels on foods containing DNA:
      http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news/...at-011915.html

      Also, US consumers still stupid.
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      http://www.businessinsider.com/r-ger...-letter-2015-8


      German Agriculture Minister Schmidt looks on during the ceremony of appointment at Bellevue Castle in Berlin

      Germany just announced plans to ban GMOs

      BERLIN (Reuters) - Germany has initiated a move to stop the growing of genetically modified crops under new European Union rules, documents seen by Reuters showed on Monday.

      German Agriculture Minister Christian Schmidt has informed German state governments of his intention to tell the EU that Germany will make use of new "opt-out" rules to stop GMO crop cultivation even if varieties have been approved by the EU, a letter from the agriculture ministry seen by Reuters shows.

      A new EU law approved in March cleared the way for new GMO crops to be approved after years of previous deadlock. But the law also gave individual countries the right to opt out by banning GMO crops even after they have been approved as safe by the European Commission.

      Widely-grown in the Americas and Asia, GMO crops have divided opinion in Europe. Britain is among those in favor of them, while France and Germany are among those opposed.

      Previously, when the EU approved crops as safe to produce they had to be permitted for cultivation in all EU states.

      In the letter, the ministry stressed that Schmidt is continuing a previously-announced policy to keep a ban on GMOs in Germany.

      Under the new EU rules, countries have until Oct. 3, 2015, to inform the Commission that they wish to opt out of new EU GMO cultivation approvals, the ministry letter said.

      Schmidt has asked German state authorities to say by Sept. 11 whether their region should be included in the opt-out, the letter said.
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