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    1. Member MGQ's Avatar
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      09-27-2015 04:15 AM #101
      wheels look great! the whole concept of this thing having a v6 is depressing.

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      09-27-2015 10:35 AM #102
      Quote Originally Posted by MGQ View Post
      wheels look great! the whole concept of this thing having a v6 is depressing.
      Yeah those older 3.8s were not like the recently retired ones. Dogs. Looks like that is on the list of things to fix though.

    3. 09-27-2015 10:42 AM #103
      Quote Originally Posted by MGQ View Post
      the whole concept of this thing having a v6 is depressing.
      Indeed, which is precisely why this engine's days are numbered.
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      09-27-2015 11:44 AM #104
      So I'm going to confess ignorance about lowrider wheels. Actually, it's not really a confession - more like I am proud to not know about them.

      Anyway, what made them so hard to remove? Do they use some weird adapters?

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      09-27-2015 01:50 PM #105
      Subscribed, I should really buy some junk and build a roadkill g body too.
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      09-27-2015 07:47 PM #106
      Quote Originally Posted by StressStrain View Post
      So I'm going to confess ignorance about lowrider wheels. Actually, it's not really a confession - more like I am proud to not know about them.

      Anyway, what made them so hard to remove? Do they use some weird adapters?
      Yes, typically adapted to a single giant center nut which is generally a very ornate spike or tri-blade thing
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    7. 09-28-2015 05:20 PM #107
      Quote Originally Posted by StressStrain View Post
      So I'm going to confess ignorance about lowrider wheels. Actually, it's not really a confession - more like I am proud to not know about them.
      That was me, too.

      Quote Originally Posted by StressStrain View Post
      Anyway, what made them so hard to remove? Do they use some weird adapters?
      Yes. You begin by bolting this adapter to each hub:



      The wire wheel slips on over it, and the center cap screws on and holds it tight. The cap engages more than 1.25" of thread. If any rust happens to develop--as you can see in this instance--then the cap is a royal bitch to remove because the rusty threads fight you all along the way. Worst of all, this design means you can't spray any penetrating oil onto the threads themselves... unless, of course, you destroy the caps by poking holes in them (which is what we did on the two most stubborn ones).

      If I ever consider buying another car with these wheels on it, I will make the seller remove them before I actually purchase the vehicle.
      Last edited by TurboMinivan; 01-01-2017 at 08:09 PM.
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    8. 10-01-2015 11:33 AM #108
      The donor vehicle has been acquired!

      Since buying the Grand Prix, I've been casually keeping an eye on the local classifieds to see what suitable engines are out there and what their market prices might be. Now that the car is finally running, I stepped up my game and began looking in earnest. It's time to buy something. And lest I forget, I'll need a transmission to bolt to whatever engine I plan to swap in.

      As I looked around, an idea hit me. What if I could find a complete vehicle with an entire driveline that I like? This idea had come and gone before, primarily because everybody kept suggesting either a Suburban (4WD = non-suitable transmission) or a pickup truck (prices stay high for full-size trucks and I was hoping to spend considerably less). This time, my idea seemed brilliant: I should by a full-size box van. These things are built on a truck chassis and have truck drivelines, plus they are all RWD so the transmission could be used without much difficulty. This would be perfect for my needs.

      And that's when I found this:



      It's a 1999 Chevy Express 3500. It doesn't quite run at the moment, but it's all there. While I was mildly worried that the engine might need some work, the fact that I was able to talk the guy down to $500 for it means I won't be sad even if I need to do a full rebuild. Even mere cores that definitely need a full rebuild are going for at least a couple hundred bucks around here; the fact that this purchase also netted me a transmission plus the ECM, wiring harness, all accessories, and every required nut and bolt means I come out ahead either way.

      So I handed the guy a few bills, he signed over the title, and we used their company forklift to "help" it onto my friend's trailer:




      And now for the part you've all been waiting for: what's under the hood? I couldn't really get any good photos--it is a box van, after all--so I'll just tell you straight up: it's got a Vortec 454 and a 4L80-E.

      Once I get the engine out, my plan is to remove the intake manifold and replace it with a Performer RPM and a carb. During that process, I will install an upgraded cam (from the ZZ502 crate engine Chevy sells) as well. I'll then drop it into the GP and let it run. Down the road, I will further upgrade to high-flow aluminum heads.

      I'm really getting enthused about this whole project.
      Last edited by TurboMinivan; 01-01-2017 at 08:12 PM.
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      10-01-2015 12:31 PM #109
      So you're putting a cargo van engine into a 35 year old Pontiac? My mind reels.

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      10-01-2015 12:34 PM #110
      This is great news! Considering what you've got in it, you simply cannot lose.

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      10-01-2015 12:38 PM #111
      now you've got me much more excited! should be a real pleasure to shoehorn that into the G-body.
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      10-01-2015 12:47 PM #112
      MINT!
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      10-01-2015 12:47 PM #113
      Quote Originally Posted by brickfrenzy View Post
      So you're putting a cargo van engine into a 35 year old Pontiac? My mind reels.
      That's about as roadkill as it gets! Their charger's big block came out of an RV, so it's pretty much 100% in the spirit of the show.
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      10-01-2015 12:54 PM #114
      Quote Originally Posted by TurboMinivan View Post
      Yes. You begin by bolting this adapter to each hub:


      Race car center locks for the win! Yay! Well, ghetto race car anyway.

      Glad to hear of the big block.

    15. 10-01-2015 02:10 PM #115
      Quote Originally Posted by brickfrenzy View Post
      So you're putting a cargo van engine into a 35 year old Pontiac?
      I know, I know. Isn't it great?!?

      Quote Originally Posted by StressStrain View Post
      Race car center locks for the win! Yay! Well, ghetto race car anyway.



      A little more info on my engine plan. I had initially wanted to use the Comp XM284HR (marine) camshaft--it will barely fit with my stock heads and pistons. This cam's specs are .547/.547 lift and 230/236 duration at .050" lift. Compared to that, the Chevrolet ZZ502 cam allows for an extra margin of p/v clearance; its specs are .527/.544 lift with 224/234 duration. That's still pretty decent, and various dyno plots I have found online show the ZZ cam produces output curves that match my desire.

      But here's the icing on the cake. My co-worker friend who just bought and built his own Vortec 454 ended up with an extra brand new ZZ502 camshaft as well as an extra new Chevrolet oil pan conversion kit for mounting this engine in my car. He obviously doesn't have a need for these, but he really likes that functional refrigeration unit on the roof of my van... so we'll be doing a trade, which saves me from having to spend $400 on those items.

      I can easily live without the Comp cam for that.
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      10-01-2015 02:27 PM #116
      Quote Originally Posted by TurboMinivan View Post
      A little more info on my engine plan. I had initially wanted to use the Comp XM284HR (marine) camshaft--it will barely fit with my stock heads and pistons. This cam's specs are .547/.547 lift and 230/236 duration at .050" lift. Compared to that, the Chevrolet ZZ502 cam allows for an extra margin of p/v clearance; its specs are .527/.544 lift with 224/234 duration. That's still pretty decent, and various dyno plots I have found online show the ZZ cam produces output curves that match my desire.

      But here's the icing on the cake. My co-worker friend who just bought and built his own Vortec 454 ended up with an extra brand new ZZ502 camshaft as well as an extra new Chevrolet oil pan conversion kit for mounting this engine in my car. He obviously doesn't have a need for these, but he really likes that functional refrigeration unit on the roof of my van... so we'll be doing a trade, which saves me from having to spend $400 on those items.

      I can easily live without the Comp cam for that.

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      10-01-2015 02:35 PM #117
      Quote Originally Posted by TurboMinivan View Post
      I know, I know. Isn't it great?!?

      A little more info on my engine plan. I had initially wanted to use the Comp XM284HR (marine) camshaft--it will barely fit with my stock heads and pistons. This cam's specs are .547/.547 lift and 230/236 duration at .050" lift. Compared to that, the Chevrolet ZZ502 cam allows for an extra margin of p/v clearance; its specs are .527/.544 lift with 224/234 duration. That's still pretty decent, and various dyno plots I have found online show the ZZ cam produces output curves that match my desire.
      Thus begins the triumph and the tragedy of even glancing at a V8.

      It's the perfect engine! But it needs a killer exhaust to hear those dinosaurs roar as they combust. And some headers too. Then all you need is a cam. Maybe an intake. How about aluminum heads? Yeah, a little more compression should really wake it up. Rods so you can rev like Nascar. And....

      Enjoy the ride!

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      10-01-2015 04:01 PM #118
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    19. 10-13-2015 01:22 PM #119
      It has begun.

      Last week I began dismantling the van in preparation of pulling the engine and trans.





      Removing this engine will be... interesting. Due to not having a ton of space to lift the engine via the traditional cherry picker method, we may instead end up using a forklift to slightly lift the engine off the mounts and then drag it forward. This strategy may require us to first remove the transmission separately. We'll see.

      Last edited by TurboMinivan; 01-01-2017 at 08:20 PM.
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      10-13-2015 01:28 PM #120
      That engine won't know what hit it! Imagine lumbering around with a big old box on your back for 15 years and then waking up feeling like the Incredible Hulk
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      10-13-2015 01:41 PM #121
      Looks awesome! Holy smokes that thing is buried in there!

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      10-13-2015 01:48 PM #122
      I love the way this suddenly turned into a ****ing big block engine and tranny.

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      10-13-2015 02:49 PM #123
      Wow I forgot how much engine is under the cowl on the Express and Econoline. You know Finnegan and Freiburger would have already had the motor out with a combo of torch and sawzall action

    24. 10-13-2015 03:05 PM #124
      Quote Originally Posted by MGQ View Post
      Holy smokes that thing is buried in there!
      Quote Originally Posted by CoolWhiteWolfsburg View Post
      Wow I forgot how much engine is under the cowl on the Express and Econoline.
      No kidding. I like to think of it as a giant box of Cracker Jack with a really, really big prize inside.

      Quote Originally Posted by CoolWhiteWolfsburg View Post
      You know Finnegan and Freiburger would have already had the motor out with a combo of torch and sawzall action
      Lucky for me, I don't care about the shell--I'm just going to haul it off once I've removed everything I want. This means I am considering any and all removal techniques. If a straight forward removal won't work, I'll start thinking about going upward.
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    25. 10-13-2015 03:07 PM #125
      You could probably get some cash for the sheetmetal and interior parts on that van, Demps. There's enough cargo vans out there that I am sure someone is looking for good used parts.

      But BIG BLOCK for the win!
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