I've also been to Montreal and even in the stands it's a waste of money by comparison.
The fans at Spa are amazing, the atmosphere is crazy. You can access so many different vantage points on the grounds. Walk right up next to the fence on the long straight and feel the sound go right through you. That was nuts, it was still the naturally aspirated V10s. I will never forget what it felt like to stand a few feet away from the cars at full speed high rpm. Like a slug hitting you when they went by.
The first car caught me by surprise, it was so unbelievably loud by comparison to anywhere else on the circuit. We were walking a path that's at a lower elevation from the straight. I walked up to the fence to look.
Wow, that was the exact thing i was hoping for!
I´m so glad you had the chance to live that.
I was very close to go to spa on 2011 iirc but we went to rome instead. was an unexpected trip from barcelona to rome already, and going to spa would have just added like a ton of expenses not considered.
Hoping to make it out to CoTA next year. Cars should look better, hoping for more engine noise though. The cars were to quiet in 2015 Montreal race.
Now that the 2016 season is over I'm really looking forward to seeing what the various teams do with the new regs. I love geeking out on the comparison between the old car the new up coming car.
I'll also put in my prediction of Ricciardo as Champion and RBR for the constructor's champion. I really think that RBR will nail it with the new car regs next year. Then I think that it's going to be really close between MB and Ferrari for second.
Well here is a good comparison video, showing just how important downforce is compared to speed.
The 2016 car was between 20-30kph faster on the straight. Yet, even on the Ultra soft tires, the 2011 car completely gained back all of the lost time by significantly better corner speed and control.
Shows just how great the blown diffuser and downforce was on the 2011 cars. So the complaints about extra downforce and drag may not be such a bad thing if the turbo cars can keep some advantage in speed over the older cars.
Turn 1 we can see the clear advantage the 2011 chassis has in the corners, carrying significantly more speed...
Onto the 1st chicane... Again more corner speed, better chicane exit...and then...
Down the First straight the V6T/H pulls like a train gaining around 25kph the entire straight. This is even before the DRS zone.
More of the same before the 2nd DRS zone.
Into Turn 17 after the long 15-17 complex we can see again the 2011 chassis blowing into the corner with greater accuracy and much higher entry speed. this speed advantage is kept all the way down to the apex and out through turn 18-19 before the v6T/H picks up power into turn 20...
Then into the last corners 20-21 the 2011 chassis has such a huge Grip and Aero advantage and carries tremendous speed onto the start/finish
If the 2017 cars can maintain the best of both worlds, lap times will be shattered. But we can see how difficult this is going to be. Carrying significantly more straight line speed and trying to keep it through the corners is going to be a workout.
Last edited by MaysEffect; 11-30-2016 at 06:38 AM.
Spa is an incredible experience, one that any serious F1 fan vacationing in Europe should try to do. My next opportunity to go to Spa did not pan out due to travel plans being derailed and keeping me in Italy longer than I wanted, that was '98, the year of rain and half the field being taken out in the first corner. I'm kinda glad I missed that. I have been to Montreal, Hockenheim 3x, Monza and Hungary - but Spa is my favorite by far.
My next stop is Austria! I've seen the track in person, but not an F1 race.
How crazy is first practice and first qualifying going to be next year as everyone will want to see who lost and who gained after the changes?
I know that the reason these changes were made was to make lap times go down, to make the cars faster.
But I have a question. Will these changes make the driver more or less of a factor? Old wisdom said that a car with less grip and less down force was more demanding to drive and the driver with the best "feel" would always prevail.
They grapple with a somewhat similar dynamic in NASCAR with more rear wing/less rear wing on the big tracks.
Agree on may's nice contribution.
Do you remember that race in indy, dont really remember if it was champ car or indycar, but lots of drivers complained about lapsus of unconsciousness due to the high grip and speed reached (super high g forces) ?
In f1 there are some curves that could generate some enormous g's...i bet drivers are already adjusting their physical preparation/regime for this.
I'm guessing it will depend on the track itself if the driver would play a bigger part.
"Due to limitations placed on F1 cars from the 2005 Formula One season, many Lap Records on current circuits are from the 2004 Formula One season."
But on outright speed, the 2016 car is probably the fastest we've ever seen. If the cars had traction control alone,I'm sure ever record would have been shattered by now. Not to mention ABS some other banned tricks along the way and from 2004. The only argument for 2004 chassis is that the cars generally carried more fuel on qualifying laps, how many tenths that would add or not, we'll never know....