VWVortex.com - The 2017 F1 Countdown Thread
Username or Email Address
Do you already have an account?
Forgot your password?
  • Log in or Sign up

    VWVortex


    The Car Lounge
    Page 77 of 85 FirstFirst ... 2767737475767778798081 ... LastLast
    Results 1,901 to 1,925 of 2122

    Thread: The 2017 F1 Countdown Thread

    1. Member G0to60's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jun 23rd, 2003
      Location
      Milwaukie, OR
      Posts
      6,525
      Vehicles
      1990 VW Corrado, 2002 Audi allroad, 2015 Fiat 500e
      06-16-2017 10:01 AM #1901
      Quote Originally Posted by Harpoon View Post
      Then nothing would change. No team on the grid is going to knowingly calculate themselves dry at the end of the race.
      Not necessarily. A team could turn things up for the first third of the race and try to get a big lead and then turn it down towards the end and bank on there being a big enough gap to hold off the drivers behind. Or the driver in front pits so the next place needs to put in some fast laps to try and leap frog them. I know they do this a bit today with engine map settings but it could be even more drastic.

      Basically, it lets the teams decide how much fuel and when they want to use it. I think that whenever the rules let the teams make more decisions it makes for more exciting racing.

    2. Member Harpoon's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jan 5th, 2008
      Location
      Yoshi City
      Posts
      17,466
      Vehicles
      Logitech G29
      06-16-2017 11:21 AM #1902
      Quote Originally Posted by G0to60 View Post
      Not necessarily. A team could turn things up for the first third of the race and try to get a big lead and then turn it down towards the end and bank on there being a big enough gap to hold off the drivers behind. Or the driver in front pits so the next place needs to put in some fast laps to try and leap frog them. I know they do this a bit today with engine map settings but it could be even more drastic.

      Basically, it lets the teams decide how much fuel and when they want to use it. I think that whenever the rules let the teams make more decisions it makes for more exciting racing.
      That would be entirely dependent on fuel cell size, but as you alluded to, I think current fuel maps basically accomplish that already.

      I personally don't feel that fuel savings in any capacity is a good way to settle a race. I'd like to see teams able to consume as much fuel as they see fit with refueling allowed, and fuel cell size limited as needed. It's (allegedly) the pinnacle of motorsport, and I'd like to see the racing decided purely on speed and driver skill, not fuel efficiency. Let the teams maximize their powertrains and shrink the fuel cells enough to ensure that one cannot possibly make it to the end on one fuel load.

    3. Member Jimmy Bionic's Avatar
      Join Date
      Sep 3rd, 2002
      Location
      Mechanicsville, VA
      Posts
      5,840
      Vehicles
      2006 XC90 V8, 2013 Honda Accord Sport
      06-16-2017 03:01 PM #1903
      Quote Originally Posted by Harpoon View Post
      That would be entirely dependent on fuel cell size, but as you alluded to, I think current fuel maps basically accomplish that already.

      I personally don't feel that fuel savings in any capacity is a good way to settle a race. I'd like to see teams able to consume as much fuel as they see fit with refueling allowed, and fuel cell size limited as needed. It's (allegedly) the pinnacle of motorsport, and I'd like to see the racing decided purely on speed and driver skill, not fuel efficiency. Let the teams maximize their powertrains and shrink the fuel cells enough to ensure that one cannot possibly make it to the end on one fuel load.
      Refueling was removed because of the cost of traveling with the rigs and the dangers involved. I don't know that it will ever come back, especially with hybrid tech. What would be interesting is allowing flexibility in the fuel cell size so you could theoretically carry more fuel and therefore burn more fuel, but the additional weight will cost you some time. A balancing act. I would love to see some more flexibility in the "Formula" to allow teams to make choices and hopefully many will make different choices leading to more interesting races.

    4. Member Harpoon's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jan 5th, 2008
      Location
      Yoshi City
      Posts
      17,466
      Vehicles
      Logitech G29
      06-16-2017 03:36 PM #1904
      Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Bionic View Post
      Refueling was removed because of the cost of traveling with the rigs and the dangers involved. I don't know that it will ever come back, especially with hybrid tech. What would be interesting is allowing flexibility in the fuel cell size so you could theoretically carry more fuel and therefore burn more fuel, but the additional weight will cost you some time. A balancing act. I would love to see some more flexibility in the "Formula" to allow teams to make choices and hopefully many will make different choices leading to more interesting races.
      Safety is a valid point, but if F1 had been prioritizing cost savings to any degree, then there wouldn't be changes to engine size, there wouldn't be any electrification, there wouldn't be changing of tire size or sweeping alterations to the aero hard points of the car. Think of all the money it takes in replacing equipment and materials when a change occurs, and all the engineering man hours to adjust. I don't know about Liberty Media now, but under Bernie's reign, clearly there was not a concern about saving the teams money.

    5. Member Woodski's Avatar
      Join Date
      Sep 14th, 2010
      Location
      CT
      Posts
      3,434
      Vehicles
      '07 Civic Hy, '93 940, '17 NPS50
      06-16-2017 03:47 PM #1905
      Quote Originally Posted by @McMike View Post
      What? Ask any driver and they will tell you they want more power.

      Unless they can spin the tires at the end of the straight, the thought of more power is not useless at all.

      And to the needing to brake earlier because of the extra speed? While true, ask any driver which one of them would like to get to that early braking point sooner.


      That's why everyone loved these cars, which also didn't have driver aids.

    6. Member
      Join Date
      Aug 18th, 2013
      Location
      SoCal
      Posts
      1,154
      Vehicles
      MKV R32
      06-16-2017 05:57 PM #1906
      A look of Kobayashi's (our F1 unsung hero) Flying lap record at Le Mans.



      Perfect track conditions and spot on driving.

      what a shame he couldn't get past all these paying drivers in F1. Why won't Japan support their drivers like other countries?
      Last edited by MaysEffect; 06-16-2017 at 05:59 PM.

    7. Junior Member group captain mandrake's Avatar
      Join Date
      Nov 14th, 2013
      Posts
      48
      Vehicles
      2009 Bullitt Mustang 1998 Land Rover Discovery
      06-16-2017 08:10 PM #1907
      Quote Originally Posted by MaysEffect View Post
      A look of Kobayashi's (our F1 unsung hero) Flying lap record at Le Mans.



      Perfect track conditions and spot on driving.

      what a shame he couldn't get past all these paying drivers in F1. Why won't Japan support their drivers like other countries?
      I really enjoyed that clip... Fantastic driving. I like that they showed the showed the whole lap. And I thought the commentator did a great job also.

    8. Member Smooremin's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jan 10th, 2006
      Location
      Chicago, Il
      Posts
      4,316
      Vehicles
      '16 3.0L A6,'16 A4, 02 Trailblazer
      06-16-2017 10:40 PM #1908
      Quote Originally Posted by group captain mandrake View Post
      I really enjoyed that clip... Fantastic driving. I like that they showed the showed the whole lap. And I thought the commentator did a great job also.
      He actually said, "WOW, if you have a pipe, stick it in it and smoke it."
      Quote Originally Posted by patrikman View Post
      Asking OT for relationship advice makes about as much sense as asking TCL what car to buy.

    9. Senior Member Metallitubby's Avatar
      Join Date
      Aug 20th, 2001
      Location
      Atlanta, GA
      Posts
      26,040
      Vehicles
      KTM, Honda
      06-17-2017 12:06 PM #1909
      Quote Originally Posted by Woodski View Post


      That's why everyone loved these cars, which also didn't have driver aids.
      Next year's cars are going to be a nice change.

    10. Member
      Join Date
      Aug 18th, 2013
      Location
      SoCal
      Posts
      1,154
      Vehicles
      MKV R32
      06-17-2017 09:11 PM #1910
      For those not watching. 12hours down, 1 remaining p1 car in the lead. 2/3 Toyota's are out, last one is close to death 2 hours behind.

      P2 cars could possibly finish overall leaders.

      A rather straight forward race beyond this. Attrition is pretty low outside of lmp1.

      LMP2 cars sound really good, the 2017 911rsr sounds sweet as well.
      Last edited by MaysEffect; 06-17-2017 at 09:15 PM.

    11. Member ramylson's Avatar
      Join Date
      Dec 11th, 2001
      Location
      Slinger, WI
      Posts
      9,066
      Vehicles
      12 VW GLI
      06-19-2017 10:58 AM #1911
      2018 Proposed Schedule -


    12. Senior Member @McMike's Avatar
      Join Date
      Oct 9th, 2002
      Location
      Northern part of the Virginia
      Posts
      31,106
      Vehicles
      German Vans and sporty British stuff
      06-19-2017 11:21 AM #1912
      Good thing Bernie isn't in charge anymore, he would have figured out a way to create fan-voted wet laps.



      All votes need to be in my the time the race starts.

    13. Member vwpiloto's Avatar
      Join Date
      Nov 26th, 2006
      Location
      Orange County, CA
      Posts
      8,826
      Vehicles
      M44/40F20CS65
      06-19-2017 11:22 AM #1913
      I read that Imola was just approved by the FIA. I hope they replace Azerbaijan with that. I have bad memories of Imola from watching the hourrble events occur if in '94, but even with a revised Tamburello, it's still a great track. It's the nearest GP track to Maranello, and it's one of the few that runs counterclockwise.

    14. Member vwpiloto's Avatar
      Join Date
      Nov 26th, 2006
      Location
      Orange County, CA
      Posts
      8,826
      Vehicles
      M44/40F20CS65
      06-19-2017 11:25 AM #1914
      Quote Originally Posted by @McMike View Post
      Good thing Bernie isn't in charge anymore, he would have figured out a way to create fan-voted wet laps.
      "Vettel pits from 2nd place and they put on full wets???!! It's a dry track and a sunny day with blue skies. What are they thinking?"

      30 seconds later the sprinklers come on. Bernie strikes again.

    15. Member
      Join Date
      Jun 19th, 2002
      Location
      CLT NC
      Posts
      8,866
      Vehicles
      2 Audis, 2 Hondas, 1 BMW
      06-19-2017 11:30 AM #1915
      Quote Originally Posted by ramylson View Post
      2018 Proposed Schedule -
      Info on the calendar changes from 2017 to 2018:

      The French Grand Prix is scheduled to return to the calendar for the first time since 2008. The race will be at Circuit Paul Ricard, which last hosted in 1990.
      The German Grand Prix is set to return to the calendar after a one-year absence.
      The Malaysian Grand Prix, which had run since 1999, has been discontinued.
      The Russian Grand Prix is scheduled to return to its original slot in September, while the Azerbaijan Grand Prix is moved forward to April.

    16. Member
      Join Date
      Jun 14th, 2007
      Posts
      14,325
      Vehicles
      R32, B7
      06-19-2017 01:18 PM #1916
      Quote Originally Posted by tbvvw View Post
      Info on the calendar changes from 2017 to 2018:

      The French Grand Prix is scheduled to return to the calendar for the first time since 2008. The race will be at Circuit Paul Ricard, which last hosted in 1990.
      The German Grand Prix is set to return to the calendar after a one-year absence.
      The Malaysian Grand Prix, which had run since 1999, has been discontinued.
      The Russian Grand Prix is scheduled to return to its original slot in September, while the Azerbaijan Grand Prix is moved forward to April.
      glad to see France back on the schedule, as well as Germany. I prefer old Hockenheim, but no point in complaining about what doesn't exist anymore. I'll miss Malaysia, because I really liked the extreme heat and humidity it provided early in the season, as a test for the new cars.
      welcome to the layer cake

    17. Member
      Join Date
      Jun 19th, 2002
      Location
      CLT NC
      Posts
      8,866
      Vehicles
      2 Audis, 2 Hondas, 1 BMW
      06-19-2017 03:02 PM #1917
      Quote Originally Posted by n0rdicalex. View Post
      glad to see France back on the schedule, as well as Germany. I prefer old Hockenheim, but no point in complaining about what doesn't exist anymore.
      Looking forward to seeing France again as well.

      As for Hockenheim, as a kid my older brother used to take me to the fence line of the old (doesn't exist anymore) straight into the woods. We could walk there in ~20-25 minutes from our home.

    18. Member
      Join Date
      Aug 18th, 2013
      Location
      SoCal
      Posts
      1,154
      Vehicles
      MKV R32
      06-19-2017 03:52 PM #1918
      Quote Originally Posted by vwpiloto View Post
      I read that Imola was just approved by the FIA. I hope they replace Azerbaijan with that. I have bad memories of Imola from watching the hourrble events occur if in '94, but even with a revised Tamburello, it's still a great track. It's the nearest GP track to Maranello, and it's one of the few that runs counterclockwise.
      The current Imola layout is garbage.

    19. Member
      Join Date
      Jun 19th, 2002
      Location
      CLT NC
      Posts
      8,866
      Vehicles
      2 Audis, 2 Hondas, 1 BMW
      06-20-2017 07:19 AM #1919
      Looking at the schedule again to see if the Germany/Austria (or Hungary) dates are close to when I travel there next summer...and I noticed the number of back to back weekends. Never seen so many in one season - love it!

    20. Member
      Join Date
      Mar 25th, 2009
      Location
      NOVA
      Posts
      3,844
      Vehicles
      2012 CC R line, 61 Merc. 220b
      06-20-2017 09:31 AM #1920
      Quote Originally Posted by tbvvw View Post
      Looking at the schedule again to see if the Germany/Austria (or Hungary) dates are close to when I travel there next summer...and I noticed the number of back to back weekends. Never seen so many in one season - love it!
      I know! I am thinking of what to do next summer, and if I can play my cards right, I can quit my job and just go to those 3 races and visit countries in between.

    21. Member
      Join Date
      Jun 19th, 2002
      Location
      CLT NC
      Posts
      8,866
      Vehicles
      2 Audis, 2 Hondas, 1 BMW
      06-20-2017 09:47 AM #1921
      Quote Originally Posted by Lucian1988 View Post
      I know! I am thinking of what to do next summer, and if I can play my cards right, I can quit my job and just go to those 3 races and visit countries in between.
      An awesome Euro trip would be Spa (F/S/Sun), a day visit to the N-ring (Mon), then 3-4 days in the Alps (Tues-Fri), then Monza (S/Sun). That...would be an epic 10 days.

    22. Member
      Join Date
      Jun 14th, 2007
      Posts
      14,325
      Vehicles
      R32, B7
      06-20-2017 11:40 PM #1922
      I'm trying to incorporate the British GP into a work trip this year, but not sure if it will work out unfortunately.
      welcome to the layer cake

    23. Moderator Oliver@triplezoom's Avatar
      Join Date
      Nov 30th, 1999
      Location
      Fredericton NB Canada
      Posts
      46,527
      Vehicles
      2015 VW GTI Autobahn, 2007 Mini Cooper S
      06-21-2017 08:54 AM #1923
      Cool little quiz about F1 circuits on BBC: http://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/40346569

      I got 9/10.

    24. Member
      Join Date
      Jun 19th, 2002
      Location
      CLT NC
      Posts
      8,866
      Vehicles
      2 Audis, 2 Hondas, 1 BMW
      06-21-2017 10:52 AM #1924
      Quote Originally Posted by Oliver@triplezoom View Post
      I got 9/10.
      Same: 9/10. I missed #4 and I guessed on 3 answers.

    25. Member
      Join Date
      Aug 18th, 2013
      Location
      SoCal
      Posts
      1,154
      Vehicles
      MKV R32
      06-21-2017 11:44 AM #1925
      Quote Originally Posted by tbvvw View Post
      Same: 9/10. I missed #4 and I guessed on 3 answers.
      that was the only one that was hard lol.

    For advertising information click HERE

    Page 77 of 85 FirstFirst ... 2767737475767778798081 ... LastLast

    Posting Permissions

    • You may not post new threads
    • You may not post replies
    • You may not post attachments
    • You may not edit your posts
    •