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    Thread: suprise suprise, car won't start... HELP :(

    1. Senior Member kitty's Avatar
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      05-06-2003 12:32 PM #1
      shocking, a VW refusing to start!

      alright, here's the story. i turn the key, it sounds like it's starting, turns over and everything, basically starts up... but i let go of the key and it shakes and dies.

      i checked to make sure all the wires were snug, it's got a quarter tank of gas, no fluids leaking, everything seems to check out. so i tried pumping the gas a little, but it won't rev or anything. slew of new parts in the past couple weeks, starter, plugs, wires, cap, rotor.

      it HAS been raining on and off all morning... but it's been raining a lot lately and i haven't had any problems starting it, just the typical sputtering and hiccuping he's been doing for a little while. my fox used to give me trouble in the rain, but i could always START it, and it wouldn't stall unless i hit the gas... the golf just won't hold an idle.

      any insight? right now the only thing i can do is wait a while and hope he just needs to dry out


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    2. 05-06-2003 12:34 PM #2
      Kitty, sorry to hear. I have had an issue with wet weather for almost a year and a half now, sounds exactly like what you are describing. My universal fix-all has always been just to wait it out and let the thing dry out a bit. I used to just keep trying to start it over and over again, but after replacing the starter 3 times in two years, I learned my lesson.

      P.S. It might be the shoes!


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      05-06-2003 12:37 PM #3
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    4. 05-06-2003 12:37 PM #4
      it could be your ignition switch.. but i dunno.. sometimes my car does that.. but its just cause when i let go of the key it goes to far and shuts off..

      later..


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      05-06-2003 12:38 PM #5
      haha, it's not the shoes... i wear my saucony jazz's to work

      i'm wary about blaming the wet weather. it's been raining a lot lately (usually much worse than the sprinkles we got this morning) and he hasn't given me problems starting up.


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      05-06-2003 12:39 PM #6
      probably a stupid question, but did you double check to make sure you got your wires in the right order on the new dist?

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      05-06-2003 12:41 PM #7
      i HOPE it's not the ignition switch... that's new too

      i really doubt it is, since the car will repeatedly START basically, just won't hold the idle as soon as i let go of the key.

      could it be the coilpack? it just seems like it's not sparking right, it's either ignition or fuel...


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    8. 05-06-2003 12:41 PM #8
      check mass airflow sensor-- could be loose

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      05-06-2003 12:42 PM #9
      Quote, originally posted by Slapshotnerd »
      probably a stupid question, but did you double check to make sure you got your wires in the right order on the new dist?

      yes, we replaced one at a time so they're definately in the right order... and that was about 700 miles ago, i assume it would have done this sooner if that was the problem.


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    10. 05-06-2003 12:42 PM #10
      Have you looked into the ignition coil? I recently had a problem with it sputtering and shaking and not taking the gas. Dealer had recently cleaned trottle body and changed vacuum hoses before the problem occured. Well after almost two weeks of not fixing the problem they finally fixed it when the changed my ECU. They put a new throttle valve and even a new coolant sensor. But the car has been starting fine ever since they put in the new ECU. All free of charge thank God.

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      05-06-2003 12:43 PM #11
      Quote, originally posted by MicrobiologyNerd »
      check mass airflow sensor-- could be loose

      *idiot question ahead*

      is that the sensor right after the airbox? if so, i checked that... if not, well i checked whatever that is, haha.


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      05-06-2003 12:48 PM #12
      Quote, originally posted by fastjettagt »
      Have you looked into the ignition coil?

      i think that's what i'm going to have to try.

      i wish the car had decided to do this HERE and not at work luckily work is only a couple minutes away though.


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      05-06-2003 12:56 PM #13
      btw check out all the relays i had this problem with my rabbit.. turns out it was the fuel relay. so just make sure the relays are ok and no fuse problems .. def sounds electrical.

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      05-06-2003 01:03 PM #14
      i had the same problem yesterday. except i stalled in an intersection and had to push it across

      it is most-def. the coilpack(or whatever the 2.0 has by the firewall, that the 5th wire goes to)

      get some silicone gel and put it around the plug. it normally lasts me a year. just forgot to put some more on this year
      with where that part sits, it tends to collect water.

      mine started again after about 15 min


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      05-06-2003 01:04 PM #15
      Sounds just like when my 2.0 slipped a tooth on the timing belt. I would bet that's what happened to you too...

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      05-06-2003 01:11 PM #16
      brand new timing belt, so i hope that's not it!! like i said, tons of new parts, so i'm getting extremely frustrated that every time i replace something, something else goes... but hey, that's expected of a VW. my dad came to pick me up in his chrysler, as we pulled away he goes, "you know, it may be ugly... but it hasn't given me one damn problem in five years. i get in, it starts... i back in, it starts..." gotta rub it in i guess.

      i guess i'm going to go back over there and try again, hope that it just needed some time to dry out.

      if not... anyone know the best place to pick up an ignition coil?


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      05-06-2003 01:14 PM #17
      Just because your timing belt is new, doesn't mean it couldn't happen. It actually would make me more suspicious. The person who put it on could have improperly tightened the tensioner, etc. I would check that out first before buying new stuff like ignition coils. My coil went out too, and it didn't fire at all so I don't think that's the case.

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      05-06-2003 01:19 PM #18
      well... i had the timing belt and waterpump done in february... it was running fine for at least a few weeks, then started giving me the sputtering crap again.

      does that sound like the timing belt could be at fault? could it have caused sputtering then finally make the car not start right?


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      05-06-2003 01:23 PM #19
      Absolutely. I had my belt done at 60k miles, and at 88k it slipped a tooth. Loosed it up, put the cam back in the right place, and bam! No problem again, and i'm at 118k now, due for another belt. It just happens sometimes...Old belt, new belt...Just one of those things..

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      05-06-2003 01:26 PM #20
      damn

      i JUST ziptied my lip on yesterday and now i gotta cut them to get the damn thing on a towtruck

      well... one last try i guess. gonna go hope it starts, if not... to the shop it goes


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      05-06-2003 03:23 PM #21
      no luck, of course...

      calling my uncle to see if he can do anything about it. if not, it gets towed to my cousin's shop. i really need this money for other thing


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      05-06-2003 03:30 PM #22
      Not sure about this, but what about fuel filter?

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      05-06-2003 03:32 PM #23
      someone just said fuel filter a few days ago... said he was having similar sputtering problems.

      but would that cause it to not even idle?

      i'm sure there's a gazillion more things i need to replace, but right now i want to focus on what will make it just plain RUN


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      05-06-2003 03:36 PM #24
      Quote, originally posted by ninetyseven »
      someone just said fuel filter a few days ago... said he was having similar sputtering problems.

      but would that cause it to not even idle?

      It won't idle if the fuel flow is restricted, i.e. clogged filter. I think this would be especially true on cold starts...


    25. 05-06-2003 03:40 PM #25
      I would have to agree with passatrcr and say the timing chain, but then again it could be the coil, the dealer has the coils there about a $100 buck. good luck.


      Modified by 98silverGTIVR6 at 3:40 PM 5-6-2003

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      05-06-2003 03:40 PM #26
      good points there.

      i don't even know where that's located... something we could do in the parking lot at work, or should i have it towed?

      also, please reassure me that the o2 sensor can't be at fault for this.


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    27. 05-06-2003 03:42 PM #27
      Kitty, the fuel filter is located on the passenger's side of your car, right underneath where the rear door is, pretty much right in front of the rear wheel, if I remember correctly. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

    28. 05-06-2003 03:42 PM #28
      if it was the O2 sensors the car would run. the fuel filter is behind the rear passanger tire and before the bumper. its not something that you would want to do in a parking lot but it is very easy none the less.

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      05-06-2003 03:47 PM #29
      alright... well, i'll tell my uncle and see if he wants to attempt it in the lot (small side lot, not like a big busy one) and hope that's it... or if we should just tow it to my cousin's and have everything taken care of at once.

      thanks for the help guys, just wish i could pinpoint it for sure


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    30. 05-06-2003 04:06 PM #30
      my car did the exact same thing when it got wet this past winter. it wouldn't start a few times after i washed it and when it did fire up it was lumpy and wanted to stall. i replaced the ignition coil and aaaha, that was it.

      this is that little POS now. it had a crack that was the diameter of a human hair and 1/4" long.


    31. 05-06-2003 04:11 PM #31
      Kitty, I think I might know what it is. Didn't you put a whistle tip on last week? When you try to start it, does it go WOOO WOOO?

      I'm sorry Kitty, had to do it.


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      05-06-2003 04:13 PM #32
      bah! back to the ignition coil again... will the insanity never end?!

      i give up, it's getting towed and we'll just replace everything it needs. who needs money anyhow


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      05-06-2003 04:15 PM #33
      Before you tow the damn thing check your IM's...

      Run yourself to the parts store in those Saucony's.


    34. 05-06-2003 04:25 PM #34
      do not put silicone around the wire. mine was cracked on the top, where it makes a small "V".....silicone that if anything. mine was fine one morning and that afternoon...KAPUT

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      05-06-2003 04:31 PM #35
      Quote, originally posted by ninetyseven »
      bah! back to the ignition coil again... will the insanity never end?!

      i give up, it's getting towed and we'll just replace everything it needs. who needs money anyhow

      Otto sends his condolences. Even though he broke three times last week.


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