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    Thread: Do you believe you should be liable for a ticket if you leave your car idling in your driveway?

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      01-10-2017 04:19 PM #1
      The reason I ask is because I do see a lot of that going on this time of year. And many communities have ordinances against doing it. I understand the 2 sides of it or 1) It's my car, I'm not harming anybody by letting it run, I'll do what I want 2) the problem is when you come back and do all the cost accounting, your stolen car winds up costing everybody. Since there's no way in the world I would let my car sit and idle with out me in it, I'm afraid I have to side with #2.
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      01-10-2017 04:21 PM #2
      What does the law say about it where you live? That will determine whether on not you are "liable" for a ticket.

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      01-10-2017 04:22 PM #3
      Quote Originally Posted by Carson Fiber View Post
      I'm not harming anybody by letting it run, I'll do what I want
      CO2 & wasted fuel. On an individual scale it may be tiny, but it's not zero.

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      01-10-2017 04:23 PM #4
      As far as ticketing goes i think it would be just a way of revenue... The way i see it is, there are far more bumper to bumper traffic scenarios where you are stuck polluting more, and just idling your car for far less time than lets say 5 minutes. Now if you want to go about the costs of insurance, i think the insurance companies could make a business out of really charging you for the mistakes you have done in the past. Lets say, oh i let the car warming up and all of the sudden i ran in real quick to get a soda, then i answered a text i came out and my car was gone... I could see insurance companies railing on the guy that did this, instead of translating the cost to everyone else (i know wild dream).

      If it's in regards pollution i do not see this as a way of helping out other than getting revenue for the government or counties.

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      01-10-2017 04:27 PM #5
      That's why you idle it in your garage instead

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      01-10-2017 04:32 PM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by GoHomePossum View Post
      That's why you idle it in your garage instead
      And keep the garage door closed of course, so the cops can't ticket you.

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      01-10-2017 04:35 PM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by GoHomePossum View Post
      That's why you idle it in your garage instead
      With oneself behind the wheel.

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      01-10-2017 04:45 PM #8
      The ticket I have seen for it recently happened locally. It wasn't because he was idling his car in his driveway but because he was doing so with it unlocked and unattended. If he had remote start where the vehicle remains locked, or if he would have manually locked the doors, he would not have been ticketed. With that said, I still voted No.

      Roseville man gets $128 ticket for warming up car in driveway

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      01-10-2017 04:46 PM #9
      Yes you should be "Liable" just as you should be as your driving your car. If your car is stolen that is your fault. But as someone who has an electric start for the winter I see no issue with letting the car worm up. But if some how the car magically pops into gear your responsible for the damages.

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      01-10-2017 04:51 PM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by 03gli401k View Post
      Yes you should be "Liable" just as you should be as your driving your car. If your car is stolen that is your fault. But as someone who has an electric start for the winter I see no issue with letting the car worm up. But if some how the car magically pops into gear your responsible for the damages.
      Don't remote started cars shut off if they are put in gear?

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      01-10-2017 04:55 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by BongTechnician View Post
      Don't remote started cars shut off if they are put in gear?
      Depends. The OEM ones I have had do not even let you shift out of park until the ignition is on RUN (with key or push start).

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      01-10-2017 05:01 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by BongTechnician View Post
      Don't remote started cars shut off if they are put in gear?
      I think most have the shift locked without the key, so you shouldn't even be able to do that.
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      01-10-2017 05:05 PM #13
      Due to winter weather, and the car being outside sometimes I have to let it warm up a bit so I can see out the damn windshield. However I can lock mine with the other key fob. My wifes mazda 3 you can't do that. But her car isn't as exposed to the elements as mine so she can usually drive off.

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      01-10-2017 05:20 PM #14
      To whom it may concern:
      I think it's none of your damned business how long my car(s) idle in the driveway in the winter. You should be happy you don't have to listen to the 3" on the Baja in the cold.

      Sincerely yours, homeowner
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    15. 01-10-2017 05:30 PM #15
      Yes & peoples should be ticketed for doing so. Same goes for mall parking lots & anywhere else. Check yo privilege.

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      01-10-2017 05:32 PM #16
      I'd like to see a cop take my 33-year old diesel with 285,000 miles out for a ride before warming it up for a minute. It'll rattle the fillings out of his teeth.

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      01-10-2017 05:49 PM #17
      I vote yes you should be ticketed. Exceptions can be made for old cars with a requirement to be warmed up, but not modern cars. It may be your car but it's needlessly polluting our air, needlessly wasting gas, and contributes to global warming. And what for? We should breathe in your toxins because your pansy ass can't brave the cold for a couple minutes? I see people "warm up" their cars when it's 50* out and it's asinine. In frigid temperatures below 20*, remote start would be the only acceptable way to do it and only for a few minutes (unless the windows were fogged up). The car warms up quicker by driving it anyway. Leaving your car running with the keys in it is just stupid, no matter where the car is parked.

      $128 is pocket change. These are posted all around NYC and I wish they were enforced more.



      Chances are that idling is against the law where you live too:


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      01-11-2017 01:11 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by 2 doors View Post
      What does the law say about it where you live? That will determine whether on not you are "liable" for a ticket.
      Law or no law, there's no way I would take those kind of chances with my car to begin with. Never have, never will.
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      01-11-2017 01:22 PM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by patrikman View Post
      To whom it may concern:
      I think it's none of your damned business how long my car(s) idle in the driveway in the winter. You should be happy you don't have to listen to the 3" on the Baja in the cold.

      Sincerely yours, homeowner
      Good thing your car pollutes totally different air from that air in your neighbor's driveway! Also, it's good that the CO2 from your car only goes into your own personal atmosphere, and not Earth's atmosphere.

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      01-11-2017 01:27 PM #20
      I'll pay the ticket when people are liable for buying SUVs.
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      01-11-2017 01:30 PM #21
      NO.

      The environmental impact is NO different if I am idling the car in the driveway while sitting in the car... or while sitting in the house. So the ticket is essentially just a money grab in the thinly veiled name of 'public safety' blah blah blah.
      Straight up BS IMO.

      With that said.
      I never do this. The only exception could be if I had left something in the house and had to run in and get it. Which, 99% of the time would require me to shutdown the car since my car/house key share a keyring.

      But letting the car warm up by idling? I don't do it, since its proven to be better for the car to just get in and drive.

      The only way I could see doing this is if I had remote start, and then the car is locked still. And for this... I would need to live somewhere much colder than Seattle.
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      01-11-2017 01:31 PM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by Harv View Post
      I'd like to see a cop take my 33-year old diesel with 285,000 miles out for a ride before warming it up for a minute. It'll rattle the fillings out of his teeth.
      I think the Michigan ticket was for leaving the car unlocked and the keys in the ignition. I don't think they would have an issue with you sitting in your truck rattling your fillings for 10 minutes.

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      01-11-2017 01:39 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by BongTechnician View Post
      Don't remote started cars shut off if they are put in gear?
      I dont think so mine go off the brake

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      01-11-2017 01:46 PM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by LG6R View Post
      Chances are that idling is against the law where you live too:
      I can see why urban areas would have a law like that. That's pretty much reflected in the map you posted.
      Looks strangely similar to the electoral map. Hmm....
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      01-11-2017 01:58 PM #25
      I don't think you can draw any parallels between idling your Mazda3 in your driveway and idling tractor-trailers all night in a highway rest stop, which is what that graphic posted above relates to.

      In nearby PG county here (DC 'burbs) I remember a law enacted to prevent warming up of cars in driveways because it was leading to car theft.

      I don't think there is such a law in my county. I'll fire up the remote start on my truck on cold mornings, but don't make a habit of using that.
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