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    1. 02-14-2017 10:04 AM #1
      Hello, I’m a long time Honda owner. I’ve been driving a 99 Honda Civic Si (Canadian Edition, it's EX in the USA) since 2000. I’m now looking for a SUV. I'm Honda guy, but their vehicle styling doesn’t appeal to me anymore. I saw the new and bigger 2018 VW Tiguan and its styling is more of my preference. I’ve been researching VW to see what kind of problems, issues and complaints it has. I’m aware of the diesel fiasco, but that doesn’t bother me. I'm finding all sorts of articles in web sites and youtube videos where owners and mechanics talk about VW problems. Am I reading too much into the bad stuff that I'm not seeing the good? Are VWs solid and reliable? Please convince me. Thanks.
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    2. 02-15-2017 08:54 AM #2
      On a 2018 nobody will really know what problems or how reliable they are long term for maybe another 3 years. Warranty has you covered on the short term.


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    3. 02-15-2017 09:59 AM #3
      Thanks for the reply. I'm asking in general what the VWs are like. I'm not asking about a specific model or the new model that is not out yet. I think the 2018 Tiguan's 2.0 TSI is not new and used in other models, right? Also, I heard VWs have transmission problems. Those kind of things I'm looking for. What kind of complaints do you have?

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      02-15-2017 01:08 PM #4
      If you're interested in the Tiguan, I'd read up and post in the Tiguan section.

      Its hard to answer your question in general though. There are isssues/pros/cons with things depending on car, engine, transmission.

      My husband has a '16 GLI 6-speed and its been pretty solid. He packs on the miles (he's at 23k in 14 months on it) and it seems to be doing well. The 2.0T is nice, the manual is great. Don't know much about other new VWs though.
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      02-16-2017 01:07 PM #5
      Buy a 2017 CRV! It is the best SUV on the market, why stray?

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      02-16-2017 06:13 PM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by yycdriver View Post
      Thanks for the reply. I'm asking in general what the VWs are like. I'm not asking about a specific model or the new model that is not out yet. I think the 2018 Tiguan's 2.0 TSI is not new and used in other models, right? Also, I heard VWs have transmission problems. Those kind of things I'm looking for. What kind of complaints do you have?
      Perhaps the place to start is to test drive a present-generation 2017 VW Tiguan and compare it to a Honda CRV. (But, a previous generation CRV may be a more fair comparison, since the new Tiguan will be substantially revised.)

      I think the advantages of the VW are: more power, better handling, more solid construction, and more headroom and legroom. The Tiguan sounds better (more solid) going over bumps, or when closing the doors. The current Tiguan is built in Germany (Osnabrück), and shares a lot of premium parts and components with Audi.

      I think Honda advantages are: cheaper price, cheaper repairs, and cheaper maintenance. Aftermarket parts are more available. It uses regular gasoline.

      If vehicle cost is the most important, Honda wins. If you want a more premium vehicle, VW wins (IMO).
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      02-17-2017 11:45 AM #7
      I'll never buy another brand other than VW. The diesel fiasco was a dumpster fire, but **** happens. I will say, the handling of the buy back has been a cluster ****, and from those I know dealing with it, if it were me I probably wouldn't be buying another vw ever again. That could be the dealers fault or VW's fault. But that's neither here nor there.

      They are some of the safest cars on the market. You want good news look into that. I myself totaled one and could have easily been hospitalized for a few weeks in any other car. I walked away with out a scratch. And this was a golf. Maintenance can be a bitch and get pricey, but with the resources available now and some will power there is not much that you can't fix yourself with a basic set of tools. Even the oil filters are now top side which makes it a lot easier than years past. If you keep up with the routine maintenance you will easily exceed your expectations.

      Safety and longevity. You get more than what you pay for with a VW and that's why I'll never buy another brand.

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      02-17-2017 12:10 PM #8
      If you stay on top of maintenance, they really aren't that bad. Granted, the cars aren't perfect and things can happen.

      I would say that the one main issue with the TSI motor is carbon build up over time, generally it becomes an issue around 50k miles. From what we've seen, the Gen 3 motors aren't as bad as the Gen 1 TSI but it will still happen simply due to the direct injection.
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      02-17-2017 10:34 PM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by Jason@NGP View Post
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      I would say that the one main issue with the TSI motor is carbon build up over time, generally it becomes an issue around 50k miles. From what we've seen, the Gen 3 motors aren't as bad as the Gen 1 TSI but it will still happen simply due to the direct injection.
      In all fairness, I think most engines with direct injection (regardless of brand) have problems with carbon build up. I do not know of a solution, other than cleaning out the intake side with a walnut blast (or similar). As you stated, every 50k miles may be a reasonable interval for cleaning.
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      02-19-2017 05:45 AM #10
      I'm on my second VW after owning Honda's and Acura's for 20 years. Modern VW's have come a long way regarding reliability but you still can't treat them like a Honda. You need to do service by the book, using the approved fluids and products. The trade off is a more engaging driving experience and a more engaging ownership/maintenance experience.

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      02-27-2017 04:15 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by iamnotapainter View Post
      I'll never buy another brand other than VW. The diesel fiasco was a dumpster fire, but **** happens. I will say, the handling of the buy back has been a cluster ****, and from those I know dealing with it, if it were me I probably wouldn't be buying another vw ever again. That could be the dealers fault or VW's fault. But that's neither here nor there.

      They are some of the safest cars on the market. You want good news look into that. I myself totaled one and could have easily been hospitalized for a few weeks in any other car. I walked away with out a scratch. And this was a golf. Maintenance can be a bitch and get pricey, but with the resources available now and some will power there is not much that you can't fix yourself with a basic set of tools. Even the oil filters are now top side which makes it a lot easier than years past. If you keep up with the routine maintenance you will easily exceed your expectations.

      Safety and longevity. You get more than what you pay for with a VW and that's why I'll never buy another brand.
      Well Said! I second EVERY WORD!!

      As Iamnotapainter stated, Safety and Longevity. I have 4 now, my second TDI, I went out and bought another TDI 09 jetta, just for spite. My neighbor has a Tig and loves it. I do most of my maintenance and again, as IAMNOTAPAINTER stated, basic tools and some time is all you need. The biggest advice I can give, I feel safe in a VW. From my new beetle to my 04 phaeton, both jettas in between, I FEEL great.

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      03-02-2017 01:00 PM #13
      HI, long time lurker, but since I was in a recent accident, I felt the need to post.

      I was in a head on collision in a 2016 Golf Sportwagen, lets just say it was totalled. As the other posters have said, it is a safe vehicle. I walked away from the head on collision with chest pain from the seat belt and a bruise on my wrist from the airbag.

      There is a feature in the MK7 Golf called "Post Collision Response" (probably available in other models). Once the car knows it has been in a collision, it applies the brakes after the collision to prevent any further collisions, puts on the hazards, turns off the fuel pump and unlocks the doors. After the accident all I had to do was unfasten my seat belt and get out.

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      04-19-2017 06:10 PM #14
      It's a good car but I would get a Giulia instead.

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      04-19-2017 09:51 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by nicolaisnicer View Post
      It's a good car but I would get a Giulia instead.
      I have not yet driven an Alfa Romeo Giulia. The styling is really nice, IMO. I predict it will sell well.

      But the Giulia is priced to compete with BMW, Mercedes, Audi, etc. A base model starts at almost $40k. It is not very price competitive with Volkswagen.
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      04-20-2017 12:41 PM #16
      Like a Rock, that requires careful maintenance. Seriously though the mk7 GTI feels so freaking solid and germanic when driving. I just wish the steering communicated a tad more roadfeel to my hands.

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      04-20-2017 02:09 PM #17
      I am in the category of those why buy a car because of the looks; I am not a mechanic, I don't care about the technicality around a car, but I will buy it if I like it.
      If I don't like a car, even if it's the best car in the world, I won't buy it. Idiotic maybe, but... that's me: I need to like the car I drive. Period.

      I own a VW, a BMW, and used to own an Audi which I passed it on to my son, and because of that I needed to find a mechanic specialized in German cars. Well, the guy told me - based on his experience of many years - the VWs are the best of these three in terms of least issues, and the quality/price ratio. He seems to be right because I had issues with the Audi and BMW, but none with the Tiguan.
      He also told me the German cars are not as reliable as the Japanese ones, but... if you treat your car well, it will last.

      Buying a car, in my opinion, is a very personal issue, so... start with choosing a type of car you plan to buy (sedan, SUV, CUV, etc) and go and test drive everything in that category on the market. Pick 2-3 of them and start comparing performance, features, initial price, maintenance costs, etc.
      Maintenance will cost you more for a German car then a Japanese car. One example: VW oil (synthetic) change = around $150, Honda oil (synthetic) change = around $70.

      I like my Tiguan, because I like the Tiguan, even if it is a less powerful engine then my BMW (both 2.0Ts), and even the cornering of the BMW is awesome compared to the Tiguan's.

      Good luck !

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      04-21-2017 09:24 AM #18
      $150 for an oil change!? $75 and change here for VW full synth and filter. And that price is a recent increase. To the OP, drive them and convince yourself. It will be obvious to you.
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      04-21-2017 09:37 AM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by quaudi View Post
      $150 for an oil change!? $75 and change here for VW full synth and filter. And that price is a recent increase. To the OP, drive them and convince yourself. It will be obvious to you.
      Different countries (!)

      Yeah, I have the invoice, and my son's wife has the invoice for her Honda.
      A friend of mine: $150 for his BMW oil change, and $71 for his Acura MDX (both at the corresponding dealers).

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      05-01-2017 11:13 AM #20
      We've owned two Tiguans, and they're pretty sporty. They're similar to driving a GTI, just taller. The only issue that I had with the transmission was its eagerness to shift to 6th gear and bog the engine. A transmission programming update fixed that, however.
      We owned them for less than 50k miles, so I can speak for the engine reliability after that, but other than oil changes, they needed nothing.

      Drive one, and if you like it, get it.

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    22. 05-01-2017 07:04 PM #22
      im in the same boat, thinking about getting a new GTI

      I have owned:
      Ford, two rangers, two mustangs. All of them were quite solid with only one or two minor issues under 80k.
      Chevy (cobalt ss sold @ 80k miles) Replaced, endlinks, power steering motor, steering rack, im sure there is more. I will never own GMC again

      Mazda 2010 2.5 (one minor issue thats it for 80k miles)., 2015 mazda 3 2.0(current) 29k miles.. Brake booster replaced, must have been a leak as i can see water staining on healiner, airbag sensor wiring in steering wheel has been fixed needs to be fixed again, glove box hinge keeps undoing itself. Lots of suspension sound/pops when first moving. ok, im not happy with the car lol.


      so when people say "not as reliable as japanese" I go oh ****, this thing is going to blow up, because my current mazda while a good economy car, feels like its been driven through a off road coarse a few times.

      so yeah im nervous about the gti.... but absolutely loved driving it. sorry for thread hijacking just my input

    23. 05-02-2017 05:49 AM #23
      Dubs, ol' sport, if you've done your homework, you know that if you're going to have a warranty issue (or several) with a GTI or R these days, it's most likely going to be with the in-car electronics, not the mechanical bits. The latter are very robust. (Of course, if you're the sort of person who beats on a car as a matter of routine -- and you know if you are -- things are going to break.) However, it's important that you understand there's no word for "update" in the German language: once something has entered production, the Germans simply move on to the next product and you're stuck with the 0.1 version. (I exaggerate of course, but you get my point.) This means if your GTI/R starts in the morning, you're going to have a fun ride. If, on the other hand, your car's info screen is chock full of codes and admonishments to see your VW dealership, you can look forward to a few days of drinking terrible "free" coffee while the new kid in the shop tries to sort out what the factory has moved on from. What are the odds of this? Well, that depends on whom you believe or turn to for advice. According to the most recent issue of Consumer Reports (which you can choose to ignore if you think CU has been taken over by commies, string-savers and bed-wetters) about 5%-10% of GTI owners will experience some sort of electronic malady that cannot be sorted out curbside. Ninety to 95-percent won't.

      Should this keep you from buying a Volkswagen Golf GTI? Well, no, not if you enjoy driving as a form of recreation. Again, the odds favor the other 90-95 percent of GTI owners, and the cars are much more enjoyable to drive than your typical Honda. (So sayeth the guy who's owned at least a dozen of each.) Ultimately, your motoring life comes down to whether you are a gearhead or not.

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      05-18-2017 02:15 PM #24
      At this point the topic has been well addressed, but I will throw in my tew scentz.

      I have owned 3 VW's, my current car being my 3rd, and I have loved and enjoyed all of them. That being said, I have dealt with my fair share of "issues" with them. Said issues came almost exclusively from modifications and aftermarket parts. I recon that if I had kept every vehicle in its stock form, I would have had zero issues... with the exception of a broken shifter fork, which may very well have been due to the previous owner's abusive driving. I did my time owning and driving other brands, but found myself drawn back to VW again. One day I may move on to something else, like an Audi, but for this point of my life VW is where I stay.

      My current VW is pretty much my realistic dream car. It checks every box and is a blast to drive. The Tiguan seems like a nice vehicle for its intended purpose and as long as you take care of her, she will take care of you.

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