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      02-16-2017 06:29 PM #1
      I remember years ago when I first read that BMW decided to pipe in some fake engine noise in one of their 5 Series through the car's speakers. All I could think then was My thoughts haven't changed either regarding that issue, even if other manufacturers are piping in fake engine noise too now.

      Today I was reading about the 2015 Mustang Ecoboost Premium in Automobile Magazine (one of my fave mags) and the magazine did mention that " Editor complaints about the EcoBoost engine were numerous, most of them centering on the four-cylinder’s bland and toothless engine note. “Sounds just terrible,” said executive editor Mac Morrison. “There’s all kind of gear whine and induction noise. Too utilitarian for a sports car.” http://www.automobilemag.com/news/20...4seasons-wrap/

      After reading that I started thinking maybe FoMoCo should start piping in some fake engine noise into the Eco Stang. Not that I'd want it but other Stang owners might appreciate it. Of course they could always up the ante and just buy the Mustang GT too. This makes me wonder if anybody knows of a any cars that could possibly use some fake engine noise too?
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      02-16-2017 08:49 PM #2
      My GLI (soundaktor) sounds great! Rough and tough. While my A4 (which is faster and has no fake sound) is kind of boring, but still a good turbo 4 sound.

      I rented a stang eco vert in the keys and it was zzzzzzz

      I guess fake engine sounds are ok in some instances. It can enhance the experience.
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      02-16-2017 08:54 PM #3
      fake engine noises are about as cool as fake hood scoops.
      I feel like this has all happened before.

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      02-16-2017 08:54 PM #4
      Quote Originally Posted by Ttone74 View Post
      My GLI (soundaktor) sounds great! Rough and tough.
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      02-16-2017 10:19 PM #5
      Piping in fake engine noise is pretty dumb, but if you can make essentially any car on the road sound like this



      I'd call it an improvement.

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      02-17-2017 06:57 AM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by cournot View Post
      It's funny because that is the face I make when I see your SI in my rear view
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      02-17-2017 07:13 AM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by Carson Fiber View Post

      After reading that I started thinking maybe FoMoCo should start piping in some fake engine noise into the Eco Stang. Not that I'd want it but other Stang owners might appreciate it. Of course they could always up the ante and just buy the Mustang GT too. This makes me wonder if anybody knows of a any cars that could possibly use some fake engine noise too?
      Right. The 5.0 actually does have noise piped into the passenger compartment.

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      02-17-2017 07:28 AM #8
      The normally aspirated Toyota MKII MR2

      Is that too old of a car?

      It just droned above 5,000 rpm
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      02-17-2017 07:58 AM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by Ttone74 View Post
      It's funny because that is the face I make when I see your SI in my rear view
      I doubt it, unless you are stage 3 and have a wing and or windshield sticker. His Honda is hooked up.

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      02-17-2017 08:06 AM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by patrikman View Post
      fake engine noises are about as cool as fake hood scoops.
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      My Impreza. The new ones no longer have the boxer sound. Boooooooring.

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      02-17-2017 08:21 AM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by patrikman View Post
      fake engine noises are about as cool as fake hood scoops.
      Well it's either fake noise or no noise for modern cars.

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      02-17-2017 08:47 AM #13
      I just think the Soundaktor should be mounted in the rear of the vehicle if the goal is to simulate the low frequencies that an engine puts out. My problem isn't so much with the tone it makes, just that it's unnaturally sounding especially from the front of the vehicle.

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      02-17-2017 10:53 AM #14
      People have complained about the unrefined engine noise on Volvo 90 series cars, but more noise isn't necessarily better in that class even if its a nice sound.

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      02-17-2017 10:58 AM #15
      weird that the ecoboost stang doesn't have piped in noise, or has crappy noise. The Focus and Fiesta ST both have pretty nice piped in intake noise.
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      02-17-2017 01:44 PM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by MonsterM View Post
      I doubt it, unless you are stage 3 and have a wing and or windshield sticker. His Honda is hooked up.
      Bro, I got lots of stickers. So I can basically beat a Bugatti.
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      02-17-2017 01:51 PM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by saron81 View Post
      Right. The 5.0 actually does have noise piped into the passenger compartment.
      I removed the one in mine and it still has a ton of sound, just not fake anymore.
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      02-17-2017 01:55 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by NashGTI View Post
      Piping in fake engine noise is pretty dumb, but if you can make essentially any car on the road sound like this

      (racecar)

      I'd call it an improvement.
      The guys at Motortrend were making fun of BMW for piping in V10 sounds for the new (6-cyl) M4, but said that in the end, it sounded so good that they didn't mind.

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      02-17-2017 01:59 PM #19
      the s2000 skipped this step altogether and moved the motor further rearward closer to the passenger compartment...the firewall actually has an indent to move the block further back.

      you can see it clearly when just looking at the body in white.



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      02-17-2017 02:05 PM #20
      It's strange how VW (I'm sure other manufacturers as well) puts silencers on the turbo, engineers the intake air boxes to lessen noise while simultaneously piping in fake noise. Not sure the thought process behind that.
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      02-17-2017 02:41 PM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by GaTeIg View Post
      It's strange how VW (I'm sure other manufacturers as well) puts silencers on the turbo, engineers the intake air boxes to lessen noise while simultaneously piping in fake noise. Not sure the thought process behind that.
      The point is to eliminate sounds that are displeasing the ear, and add back in sounds that are more pleasing. Also, by doing this "actively" you can change when and how much you do it. So for example, in Sport mode or during hard acceleration, you can pipe in more engine noise. But while cruising down the highway or in Comfort mode, you can dial it back.


      Quote Originally Posted by oidoglr View Post
      I just think the Soundaktor should be mounted in the rear of the vehicle if the goal is to simulate the low frequencies that an engine puts out. My problem isn't so much with the tone it makes, just that it's unnaturally sounding especially from the front of the vehicle.
      Exhaust "boom" is low frequency noise. Low frequency noise is non-directional. As long as the speaker is in a location that can adequately fill all areas of the cabin with counter-noise, then it doesn't matter where you place it. This is, for example, why the subwoofer in a home theater is not directional and you can get away with a single sub channel.


      I think there's some overall misconceptions on active noise generation that need to be clarified.

      First, you have two separate but related topics:
      -Noise Cancellation
      -Noise Generation

      Noise cancellation is there to eliminate low-frequency engine noise and exhaust boom. Honda, for example, uses ANC on their V6 engines with variable cylinder mgmt (VCM). If you were to drive a V6 Honda with ANC disabled, you'll notice booming under certain conditions. Exhaust boom can be very annoying to passengers and even make some people nauseous. High frequency noise, such as certain tire noises or wind whistle is very difficult to control with noise cancellation. High frequency noises are highly directional, so you not only need to know the noise frequency, but also where it is coming from. Random frequency noises are also difficult if not impossible to control, since by definition they are non-harmonic therefore difficult to represent using counter-sine waves.

      Noise generation is typically there to make an engine sound more pleasing, or increase the amplitude of engine noise. There are "passive" ways of doing this such as piping airbox noise into the cabin (BMW did this on the Z4, I think Ford did/does this on the 5.0 V8s). Or you can specifically tune the intake and exhaust to amplify pleasing tones using resonators and tuning the modal responses of the vehicle (Honda did this on the '08+ Civic Si).

      Noise generation can also be done actively, such as with the Soundaktor. The benefit of this approach is you can modify what the Soundaktor does for different modes: Comfort vs. Sport Mode, or, hard acceleration vs. steady state cruising on the highway. Additionally, since the Soundaktor is controlled by software, Engineers can make changes easily and up until the last minute. If you do it passively like I described above, changing the tones requires modification of the airbox and/or exhaust. These changes can have long lead times due to the physical tooling involved. Software has a shorter lead time, since the software verification and release process is typically much shorter and cheaper than machining a new tool.

      Finally, regarding Noise Generation, you're typically not completely making up the engine noise like in a video game. Typically, but not always, you're adding pleasing tones on top of the existing engine noise. If you try to completely make up the engine noise, it well, sounds fake.
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      02-17-2017 02:43 PM #22
      any EV could use a soundtrack from a gasser as an option
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      I have a better idea, stop putting boring engines in cars that are made to be fun.
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      02-17-2017 03:06 PM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by Ttone74 View Post
      My GLI (soundaktor) sounds great! Rough and tough.
      Disconnected that crap day 2 of ownership on my R

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      02-17-2017 03:20 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by @McMike View Post
      #FakeRevs
      #AlternativeNoise
      You should be more worried about the secret sources.


      Quote Originally Posted by jnm2.0t View Post
      any EV could use a soundtrack from a gasser as an option
      I'm partial to Sawzall, maybe Singer if cruise control is in use.
      I feel like this has all happened before.

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