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      03-15-2017 10:23 PM #1
      When I bought my 2017 Spark last week for $9,300. This price included this http://www.pulseprotects.com/ for $299.00 as an add on fee. I told them I didn't want it and to remove it. I never heard about this product before, the manager said it's hard to remove when installed. I didn't want to argue about it since I was already getting the car for $4,600 off MSRP. When I got home I googled this product and it's sold to dealers only. It looks like a $20 relay marked up to $299. Well it took me about two minutes to remove it. It might help in a rear end collision, but I didn't want it on my car.


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      03-15-2017 10:27 PM #2
      I hate that **** especially on mk6 VWs that can be coded to flash rear lights when you activate the ABS, which is more effective. Pulsing all the time will eventually lose all its utility when it becomes common, like every other similar feature that happens every time you hit the brakes


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      03-15-2017 10:42 PM #3
      These are all over ebay and amazon for $20. People have been using them for years for extra visibility on the track and as another way to make your car flashier. Some of the modules have different switchable patterns too.


      Quite a few high performance cars have this coded in already and under certain heavy braking conditions it will trigger the flashing.
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      Oh mellberg is cool, but his car certainly isn't helping that happen.

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      03-15-2017 10:45 PM #4
      I've seen this before and the lack of "standardization" in terms of when it's used is just confusing to me. If I see brake lights flashing... is ESC coming on? Are you braking really hard because there's something up ahead? Do you just brake hard in general?

      I find it useless as it is.

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      03-15-2017 11:02 PM #5
      Glad you removed it. Flashing third brake lights are annoying as heck.
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      03-15-2017 11:08 PM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by Iroczgirl View Post
      Glad you removed it. Flashing third brake lights are annoying as heck.
      But not as bad as motorcycle headlight modulators. Those things should be illegal.
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      03-15-2017 11:33 PM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by Iroczgirl View Post
      Glad you removed it. Flashing third brake lights are annoying as heck.
      Flashing hazards and brake lights are good in emergency situations. Kind of tells you that someone in front had smashed the pedal hard.
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      03-16-2017 02:05 AM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by J-Tim View Post
      Flashing hazards and brake lights are good in emergency situations.
      In those situations, yes. But in everyday driving, no. This thing makes your third brake light pulse four times every time you step on the brake.

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      03-16-2017 02:34 AM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by Sledge View Post
      But not as bad as motorcycle headlight modulators. Those things should be illegal.
      Can't stand these. Especially when driving a lowered car. It seems to sweep right across all 3 mirrors perfectly.

      OP, pics of the spark! I'm looking at one myself. Can't decide on a color. Love the Blue.

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      03-16-2017 03:41 AM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by J-Tim View Post
      Flashing hazards and brake lights are good in emergency situations. Kind of tells you that someone in front had smashed the pedal hard.
      It was common to see flashing hazards/brake lights overseas, actually surprised it isn't as common in the states...given how many people slam the brakes when they see a hill or a turn in front of them. [California Problems]
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      03-16-2017 07:45 AM #11
      Return it to the Manager who was too lazy to have it removed and tell him it takes two minutes and it's a $0.70 part from CN.

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      03-16-2017 07:54 AM #12
      Don't remove it, it's over 3% of the cost of the car.

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      03-16-2017 08:38 AM #13
      Reminds me of when I bought my last Focus over a decade ago, the dealer added on VIN etching. They did that to every car on the lot, and obviously cannot be removed. $20 service that they wanted $199 for.

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      03-16-2017 09:20 AM #14
      Clearly OP is not an F1 driver. HA!
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      03-16-2017 09:26 AM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by finklejag View Post
      y. It looks like a $20 relay marked up to $299. Well it took me about two minutes to remove it.
      $20 relay? I think you are being a bit generous to them Bet those things cost $1 a pop to make.

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      03-16-2017 09:31 AM #16
      At least it's functional.

      Pin stripes on the other hand.......

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      03-16-2017 09:33 AM #17
      These are the types of things are why I dont buy new cars, or cars from dealers in general. They always are looking for ways to boost the profit at the back end so they can keep suckering people through the door with the low price advertising.
      This and prep fees. ugh....
      Cry once....

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      03-16-2017 09:46 AM #18
      These are annoying and stupid. Just another dealer attempt at some larger profit margins. Like charging you $500 for "paint protectant" that is literally a $5 bottle of wax from Wal-Mart put on your car by an 18-year old kit with a dirty cloth.

      If I see these lights on new cars at a dealership, it instantly marks them off my list. Won't shop at a place who pulls that crap.
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      03-16-2017 09:50 AM #19
      But did the OP end up paying for it or not? It's not clear.
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      03-16-2017 09:50 AM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by someguy123 View Post
      At least it's functional.

      Pin stripes on the other hand.......

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      03-16-2017 09:53 AM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by DonL View Post
      But did the OP end up paying for it or not? It's not clear.

      Quote Originally Posted by finklejag View Post
      I didn't want to argue about it since I was already getting the car for $4,600 off MSRP.

      I believe that's a "yes".
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      03-16-2017 09:57 AM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by mellbergVWfan View Post
      These are all over ebay and amazon for $20. People have been using them for years for extra visibility on the track and as another way to make your car flashier. Some of the modules have different switchable patterns too.


      Quite a few high performance cars have this coded in already and under certain heavy braking conditions it will trigger the flashing.
      I'm fairly certain I can turn this on/off in the idrive, but it only happens under "hard" braking.

      Now I know why I've seen an uptick in this crap though. I've always noticed motorcycles had the pulsating brakes, and I can understand why; the fact that there also aren't many motorcycles on the road meant that I didn't encounter it often enough to bug me. Recently however I've seen more and more economy class sedans with pulsating 3rd brake lights, its just a waste.
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      03-16-2017 09:58 AM #23
      Thanks for removing it. I would hate to be in thick freeway traffic crawl with dozens of these lights flashing like a damn disco ball.

      I think they should be considered illegal. At the very least I could see a injured person getting a ambulance chasing lawyer and suing the dealership for installing a product that altered the brake lamp function.

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      03-16-2017 10:13 AM #24
      My Focus had this already installed from the previous owner. I did some research and there is no evidence that a flashing CHMSL provides any significant safety improvement. Worse, flashing brake lights are technically illegal in the US as most states have laws saying brake lights must be steady burning. Here's a study: https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.do.../tsf811128.pdf

      Like the OP, I didn't want it but I haven't had time to do the wiring repair to cut it out completely. Instead, I managed to bypass the relay and it effectively works as a normal brake light again.

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      03-16-2017 10:16 AM #25
      Got it on my bike and car.

      I give a big 'ol *shrug* to the people it annoys because you noticed me braking, which is the entire point of it.
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