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    1. Member KevinC's Avatar
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      04-11-2017 02:14 AM #76
      Quote Originally Posted by Ryukein View Post
      The photos are literally of the US-spec cars.
      Are you sure? The infotainment screen in the R looks like the 9.2" top spec that's not coming over here, both in size and the fact that it has no knobs - doesn't the 8" version retain the volume & tuning knobs?

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      04-11-2017 05:01 AM #77
      Quote Originally Posted by davewg View Post
      Certainly puts it back on the list for me too. Not exactly sure how I feel about the new wheels. Need to see them in person.
      I feel the will be easy to sell so I can get two sets of 17" wheels. 19's suck in Metro-Detroit.
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      04-11-2017 05:07 AM #78
      Quote Originally Posted by KevinC View Post
      Are you sure? The infotainment screen in the R looks like the 9.2" top spec that's not coming over here, both in size and the fact that it has no knobs - doesn't the 8" version retain the volume & tuning knobs?
      I think you're right...

      Here's a euro-spec R:





      Notice the kmh readout from the OP:


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      04-11-2017 07:35 AM #79
      Quote Originally Posted by hardingsan View Post
      digital dash only in the golf r and e-golf.
      Hate to say it, but I think digital dashes will be the norm in 10 years. Probably actually cheaper to produce than mechanical gauges.

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      04-11-2017 08:00 AM #80
      I don't think it looks terribly different. I liked the original MK7 headlights and wheels better. The new GTI wheels are pretty gross.
      I would need to play with the digital dash to see if I liked it or not, but I tend to like simpler gauges.

      Golf Sportwagen Alltrack looks pretty nice.
      7 speed DSG for the ARRRRR is pretty cool.
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      04-11-2017 08:03 AM #81
      New offerings on the Golf SportWagen SEL include 17-inch aluminum-alloy wheels

      Previous model years had 18" wheels on SEL's

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      04-11-2017 08:13 AM #82
      love the new R wheels!

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      04-11-2017 08:32 AM #83
      definitely liking the upgrades to the Alltrack.

      Quote Originally Posted by davewg View Post
      Certainly puts it back on the list for me too. Not exactly sure how I feel about the new wheels. Need to see them in person.
      someone posted their new Golf R on reddit, and I thought the wheels looked good in a non press release image:

      welcome to the layer cake

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      04-11-2017 08:53 AM #84
      The new GTI wheels are terrible IMO.

      Any insight on how the LED headlights compared to the current HID setup? The current HID headlights with the AFS are incredible.

      Looks like the GTI looses the adaptive feature, and only the R gets it

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      04-11-2017 09:01 AM #85
      GTI and R wheels look very Honda to me. I'd take the SEL wheel design before either of them.

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      04-11-2017 09:20 AM #86
      Quote Originally Posted by wasim12 View Post
      Am I the only one in this thread who thinks PRE-facelift MK7 GTI/R looks overall a bit better??
      You (and hushy) are probably in the minority...so buy now

      Quote Originally Posted by Ttone74 View Post
      I feel the will be easy to sell so I can get two sets of 17" wheels. 19's suck in Metro-Detroit.
      Yeah, they'd suck in parts of NJ too. 18" would be a nice compromise.

      Quote Originally Posted by n0rdicalex. View Post
      someone posted their new Golf R on reddit, and I thought the wheels looked good in a non press release image:
      Nope, still don't like 'em.
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    12. 04-11-2017 09:38 AM #87
      Quote Originally Posted by Ryukein View Post
      The photos are literally of the US-spec cars.
      Golf R doesn't have amber reflectors, so not 100% NA spec.

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      04-11-2017 09:58 AM #88
      From the pictures, I don't care for the new Golf R. But after reading that those wheels are optional and we'll still get radio knobs on our version of the stereo, I'm okay with the update. I don't really care for the Virtual Cockpit thing one way or the other. There's no mention of broadcasting the nav map into the display like Audi is so fond of doing. But I know with the Audi you have to pay monthly to keep the Google Earth overview, so I don't care for that anymore.

      I'll wait until I see the revised R in person before I make any judgements, but nothing really makes me regret not waiting for the updates.

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      04-11-2017 10:08 AM #89
      Quote Originally Posted by Smigelski View Post
      From the pictures, I don't care for the new Golf R. But after reading that those wheels are optional and we'll still get radio knobs on our version of the stereo, I'm okay with the update. I don't really care for the Virtual Cockpit thing one way or the other. There's no mention of broadcasting the nav map into the display like Audi is so fond of doing. But I know with the Audi you have to pay monthly to keep the Google Earth overview, so I don't care for that anymore.

      I'll wait until I see the revised R in person before I make any judgements, but nothing really makes me regret not waiting for the updates.
      You know its funny...one of the reason's I liked the (2017) S3's interior over the Golf R is because it had the virtual cockpit. But looking at it in the Golf I think I actually prefer the normal gauges.

      Other than that the 2018 seems nice though. Exterior looks sharper and interior is pretty much the same. I drive a manual so the stop/start thing being added to the DSG wouldn't bother me, but if I preferred DSG I think I'd prefer the 2017 (and earlier) models without the stop/start (unless the stop/start function can be permanently turned off).

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      04-11-2017 10:24 AM #90
      I like the cloth option for the GTI SE, but I wouldn't want to spend the $ for an Autobahn in order to have fender and DCC. I am not a fan of the larger screen with no buttons. After seeing this, I am perfectly happy with my '16 SE which has the fender, PP and DCC

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      04-11-2017 10:33 AM #91
      Quote Originally Posted by Smigelski View Post
      There's no mention of broadcasting the nav map into the display like Audi is so fond of doing. But I know with the Audi you have to pay monthly to keep the Google Earth overview, so I don't care for that anymore.
      I can put the regular street map on the instrument cluster but not Google Earth like in the Audis

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      04-11-2017 11:18 AM #92
      As someone who is possibly considering getting into a GTI again...

      Plaid seats in SE -
      LED tails -
      Bigger screen -
      Wheels -
      Losing Fender audio in SE -
      No buttons with screen -
      Headlight change -

      Overall I'm...meh. If I go this route I think maybe I'll just try to find a killer deal on a '17. I love being able to get plaid in the SE, but losing the Fender audio, and those god-awful wheels, is close to a deal-breaker.
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      04-11-2017 11:39 AM #93
      Quote Originally Posted by chocofrappe55 View Post
      It looks like VW doesn't think Americans on average are smart enough to use something more complicated than a manual handbrake. They see Americans still killing themselves with those Jeep gear selectors... VW is trying to keep their cars intellectually accessible for NA.
      Drop the elitist attitude and think...

      Here in the States it has to compete on a different level than in Europe, as the Golf isn't the biggest seller in the segment. It's not even close. The manual e-brake is a cost cutting measure to make it more competitive price-wise, nothing more.


      I'm not a fan of electric parking brakes, so I'm good with this. Why? Obviously I'm too dumb to push the button when needed... Or I find it a needlessly complex solution to absolutely no problem at all. Which do you think it is?
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      04-11-2017 11:52 AM #94
      Quote Originally Posted by chocofrappe55 View Post
      It looks like VW doesn't think Americans on average are smart enough to use something more complicated than a manual handbrake. They see Americans still killing themselves with those Jeep gear selectors... VW is trying to keep their cars intellectually accessible for NA.
      Woah buddy. Besides the auto-hold function, what does the electronic parking brake get you?

      Computer dictates when you can and can't use it ("Please Press Brake Pedal to Disengage")
      Needs expensive-ish computer and hardware to charge rear brake pads
      Cannot use it as an emergency brake
      No handbrake turns in the snow, if desired

      Yeah, that's a whole lot of good features there. If I had the option, I would have had a regular handbrake on my R.

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      04-11-2017 12:17 PM #95
      Quote Originally Posted by Smigelski View Post
      Woah buddy. Besides the auto-hold function, what does the electronic parking brake get you?


      Cannot use it as an emergency brake

      FWIW, I had a rental B7 Passat last year while in Germany, and I was curious if the electric brake can be used as an e-brake, and on a "closed course" I gave it a try, and sure enough it does work. I think you have to hold it up for a second so as to avoid an unwanted activation, but it once it engaged, it locked up the rear wheels pretty good.

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      04-11-2017 12:20 PM #96
      Quote Originally Posted by vwpiloto View Post
      FWIW, I had a rental B7 Passat last year while in Germany, and I was curious if the electric brake can be used as an e-brake, and on a "closed course" I gave it a try, and sure enough it does work. I think you have to hold it up for a second so as to avoid an unwanted activation, but it once it engaged, it locked up the rear wheels pretty good.
      That's good to know, but locking up the rear is not exactly an ideal solution when in an emergency situation. With a manual handbrake you can pull up on the handle and not have the rear brakes lock up (unless you wanted them to).

    22. 04-11-2017 12:45 PM #97
      Quote Originally Posted by ocramida View Post
      Mazda is committing to SW upgrade for AA
      Will believe it when I see it. They've been on the "coming soon" list for AA for ages.

    23. 04-11-2017 12:54 PM #98
      Quote Originally Posted by Smigelski View Post
      Woah buddy. Besides the auto-hold function, what does the electronic parking brake get you?
      My Mk6 had that (are we talking about hill hold?) but had a manual parking brake.

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      04-11-2017 01:00 PM #99
      Quote Originally Posted by gti_matt View Post
      My Mk6 had that (are we talking about hill hold?) but had a manual parking brake.
      I'm not sure how the hill hold works in the Mk6, but in the Mk7, the 'Auto Hold', keeps the car at a complete stop until you start to press the gas pedal. So you're driving along, and come to a complete stop (let's say the car is going downhill for this example). You take you foot off of the brake pedal. The brake lights remain on. The car does not move. You even slowly let up on the clutch pedal until it starts to engage, but the car still doesn't move. It's not until you actually touch the gas pedal that the car begins to move. There's no time limit on the feature. Does the Mk6 hill hold do that?

      The Auto Hold is good for relaxing your foot/leg at a long stoplight or in dead stopped traffic. It also acts as a hill hold if you happen to be on a hill. It's annoying as hell if you are trying to adjust the position of the car with just the clutch or DSG's natural forward motion (like if you were in a garage and wanted to move the car 2-3 inches). That's when the feature needs to be off.

    25. 04-11-2017 01:43 PM #100
      Quote Originally Posted by Smigelski View Post
      I'm not sure how the hill hold works in the Mk6, but in the Mk7, the 'Auto Hold', keeps the car at a complete stop until you start to press the gas pedal. So you're driving along, and come to a complete stop (let's say the car is going downhill for this example). You take you foot off of the brake pedal. The brake lights remain on. The car does not move. You even slowly let up on the clutch pedal until it starts to engage, but the car still doesn't move. It's not until you actually touch the gas pedal that the car begins to move. There's no time limit on the feature. Does the Mk6 hill hold do that?

      The Auto Hold is good for relaxing your foot/leg at a long stoplight or in dead stopped traffic. It also acts as a hill hold if you happen to be on a hill. It's annoying as hell if you are trying to adjust the position of the car with just the clutch or DSG's natural forward motion (like if you were in a garage and wanted to move the car 2-3 inches). That's when the feature needs to be off.
      Mk6 held the brakes when the clutch was pressed in for about 3 seconds when you were on a hill and your gear selected was to go in the opposite of how gravity would pull you (facing uphill in a forward gear or facing downhill in reverse gear). The brakes would release either when you started to let up on the clutch or after 3 seconds expired.

      Either way, sounds like it's a variation on the same thing - the car made a decision to hold the brakes independent of the brake pedal, but the point is that it did it electronically despite having a traditional cable-based handbrake lever. So the fully electronic button system is not necessarily a prerequisite for the car to additionally hold the brakes.

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