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      04-20-2017 07:02 AM #1
      Those wacky socialists

      This should fix their economy

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    2. 04-20-2017 08:17 AM #2
      A true socialist Banana Republic. Blaming others for your own problems. They deserve the government they have.

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      04-20-2017 09:53 AM #3
      I visited Venezuela in 1998 and really enjoyed it. It wasn't a utopia by any means, but Hugo Chávez really made a mess of things since then.

      Much has already been said of how the government's takeover of various industries has impacted the nation's output, but less is said of how much the former president's rhetoric has impacted the nation's culture--in a bad way. Young adults have now grown up with the notion that the U.S. and Venezuela's upper class are responsible for their problems, and that, combined with Chávez releasing many prisoners, has caused crime to skyrocket as they seek to take back "what belongs to them."

      I am curious as to what the government plans to do with an automotive factory???
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      04-20-2017 10:05 AM #4
      Another country I won't mourn the loss of when the seas rise.
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      04-20-2017 10:09 AM #5
      I'm sure the recent (and currently ongoing) peaceful protests there had nothing to do with this
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      04-20-2017 10:09 AM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by patrikman View Post
      Another country I won't mourn the loss of when the seas rise.
      Venezuela is an awesome, beautiful country. It just happens to have been cursed with a terrible and incompetent government.

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      04-20-2017 10:12 AM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by Nealric View Post
      Venezuela is an awesome, beautiful country. It just happens to have been cursed with a terrible and incompetent government.
      Sounds familiar.
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      04-20-2017 10:23 AM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by cpermd View Post
      Those wacky socialists

      This should fix their economy

      https://www.usatoday.com/story/money.../100684954/FIX TH
      How can they fix their economy when all their troubles have been started by Imperialists from the USA?!

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      04-20-2017 10:31 AM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by Reisner View Post
      A true socialist Banana Republic. Blaming others for your own problems. They deserve the government they have.
      WTF? -I am Venezuelan, I had to flee my country, start from scratch in another country like millions of my countrymen/women, and we deserve it?!

      80%+ of the country opposes the government, and they deserve it? -Dictatorships are f%cked up, and they should be stopped before they turn into North Korea or Iran, which are world threats due to foreign negligence for decades upon decades...

      I Really, I hope you never have to go through what Venezuela and all Venezuelans have gone/are going through.

      PS: 2 young people were murdered yesterday by the Government.

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      04-20-2017 10:31 AM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by patrikman View Post
      Another country I won't mourn the loss of when the seas rise.

      Seriously, WTF!

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      04-20-2017 10:40 AM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by SeatIbiza1.8T View Post
      WTF? -I am Venezuelan, I had to flee my country, start from scratch in another country like millions of my countrymen/women, and we deserve it?!

      80%+ of the country opposes the government, and they deserve it? -Dictatorships are f%cked up, and they should be stopped before they turn into North Korea or Iran, which are world threats due to foreign negligence for decades upon decades...

      I Really, I hope you never have to go through what Venezuela and all Venezuelans have gone/are going through.

      PS: 2 young people were murdered yesterday by the Government.


      Overthrow time.

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      04-20-2017 10:53 AM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by SeatIbiza1.8T View Post

      I Really, I hope you never have to go through what Venezuela and all Venezuelans have gone/are going through.
      Those who have never experienced anything like that will just not understand, unfortunately.

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      04-20-2017 11:10 AM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by SeatIbiza1.8T View Post
      Seriously, WTF!
      Nothing personal but there is no fixing that mess, short of an even bigger and more expensive mess. I feel bad for the people that live there, but my opinion stands. It's only a matter of time before somebody steps in to "help" liberate the country. And when I say liberate the country, I'm not talking about its citizens.
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      04-20-2017 11:16 AM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by patrikman View Post
      Nothing personal but there is no fixing that mess, short of an even bigger and more expensive mess. I feel bad for the people that live there, but my opinion stands. It's only a matter of time before somebody steps in to "help" liberate the country. And when I say liberate the country, I'm not talking about its citizens.
      Plenty of countries have recovered from dictatorships and formed functioning democracies. Germany, Spain, Italy, Chile (to name just a few).

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      04-20-2017 11:26 AM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by Nealric View Post
      Plenty of countries have recovered from dictatorships and formed functioning democracies. Germany, Spain, Italy, Chile (to name just a few).
      It's possible, but it won't be pretty.
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      04-20-2017 11:31 AM #16
      I went to Aruba a couple of weeks ago, there is a huge Venezuelan pop. there, very interesting place. A lot of their economy used to come from an oil refinery that processed Venezuelan oil, but closed years ago.
      Alex, short for Alex.

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      04-20-2017 11:43 AM #17
      So what happens to all the Venezuelan employees in the GM plant and supplier plants? Out of work. On government benefits if they even have them? Seems kind of short sighted of the government if that is what happens.

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      04-20-2017 11:49 AM #18
      Left-wing populism is just as bad as right-wing populism, mmmkay? Nicolás Maduro is living proof of it.

      P.S. Why hasn't Bernie Sanders commented on his buddy Maduro? Two peas in a pod.

      Quote Originally Posted by Nealric View Post
      Plenty of countries have recovered from dictatorships and formed functioning democracies. Germany, Spain, Italy, Chile (to name just a few).
      Yep, yet the ones in bold still have its share of Franco and Pinochet supporters in much of Latin America.

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      04-20-2017 11:51 AM #19
      Yes, this will totally fix the 500% a year rate of inflation! Oh wait, it won't? You mean inflation is projected to hit 1500% in 2017?

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      04-20-2017 11:51 AM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by spockcat View Post
      So what happens to all the Venezuelan employees in the GM plant and supplier plants? Out of work. On government benefits if they even have them? Seems kind of short sighted of the government if that is what happens.
      Nobody has accused the Maduro government of having a well-thought out plan. Anybody with a modicum of understanding of economics knows they are complete and total idiots.

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      04-20-2017 11:52 AM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by Aonarch View Post


      Overthrow time.
      Quote Originally Posted by patrikman View Post
      Nothing personal but there is no fixing that mess, short of an even bigger and more expensive mess. I feel bad for the people that live there, but my opinion stands. It's only a matter of time before somebody steps in to "help" liberate the country. And when I say liberate the country, I'm not talking about its citizens.
      Dubya tried to have Hugo Chavez overthrown and assassinated in 2002, but look what happened afterwards.

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      04-20-2017 11:53 AM #22
      I traveled to Venezuela countless times since 1994, I have really good friends there and it hurts so much to see the mess there.

      This country has everything, oil, natural resources, farming, industry, tourism, beautiful sights, you name it. With Chavez it went down. This corrupt maniac bought the military, kept the poor poor, sold oil for his own enrichment, robbed whatever he saw fit (Polar beer was already under his control many many years ago..). Corruption is everywhere.

      He brought in Cubans for border control, tried to control currency, picked fights for nothing (Colombia anybody?) and the list goes on and on, not to mention countless new laws to control the media etc.

      And then you see a banner "Socialism or death"

      Right, well done, and Maduro is just hanging on to power by whatever means.

      I really don't know how they will dig themselves out of this....
      Keep right except to pass!

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      04-20-2017 12:06 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by DUBPL8 View Post
      Left-wing populism is just as bad as right-wing populism, mmmkay? Nicolás Maduro is living proof of it.

      P.S. Why hasn't Bernie Sanders commented on his buddy Maduro? Two peas in a pod.



      Yep, yet the ones in bold still have its share of Franco and Pinochet supporters in much of Latin America.
      Bernie Sanders is more of a social democrat who wants to borrow ideas and policies from countries like Denmark. He is a breath of fresh air because he is open and honest about his platform and his ideas on how to achieve his goals. (An example is a financial transaction tax on Wall St. to go to covering the costs associated with a "free" public education. The U.S. actually already had this tax up until 1966.)

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      Quote Originally Posted by andyA6 View Post
      I traveled to Venezuela countless times since 1994, I have really good friends there and it hurts so much to see the mess there.

      This country has everything, oil, natural resources, farming, industry, tourism, beautiful sights, you name it. With Chavez it went down. This corrupt maniac bought the military, kept the poor poor, sold oil for his own enrichment, robbed whatever he saw fit (Polar beer was already under his control many many years ago..). Corruption is everywhere.

      He brought in Cubans for border control, tried to control currency, picked fights for nothing (Colombia anybody?) and the list goes on and on, not to mention countless new laws to control the media etc.

      And then you see a banner "Socialism or death"

      Right, well done, and Maduro is just hanging on to power by whatever means.

      I really don't know how they will dig themselves out of this....
      Just another corrupt petrostate in a nutshell.

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      04-20-2017 12:07 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by DUBPL8 View Post
      Dubya tried to have Hugo Chavez overthrown and assassinated in 2002, but look what happened afterwards.
      I'm surprised he can tie his own shoes.
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