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      04-20-2017 03:27 PM #1
      Aware some specialty tires have laughable treadwear ratings, but what are some of the lowest you've seen on a run of the mill OE tire?

      This is the RAV4 Geolanders. 280 is quite poor.


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      04-20-2017 03:33 PM #2
      Isn't it an unscientific meaningless number?

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      04-20-2017 03:36 PM #3
      Quote Originally Posted by MN Mongo View Post
      Isn't it an unscientific meaningless number?
      That's what I thought...

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      04-20-2017 03:36 PM #4
      Quote Originally Posted by MN Mongo View Post
      Isn't it an unscientific meaningless number?
      Pretty much. Manufacturers rate tires given a specific 'reference tire' that that manufacturer creates. Therefore, the ratings are not comparable between tire manufacturers.

      That being said, the ratings are compared all the time. For instance, in 'Street' classes for autocross, the magical lower limit is 200TW. Which means that the manufacturers are now making and selling a lot of 200TW tires that wear out really quickly.

      That being said, my Golf R's Continentals are rated at 240TW.


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      04-20-2017 03:38 PM #5
      Quote Originally Posted by MN Mongo View Post
      Isn't it an unscientific meaningless number?
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unif...uality_Grading

      There's testing behind it but it's all relative.
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      04-20-2017 03:38 PM #6
      Depends on what you mean by 'run of the mill'

      The Alfa Giulia Quad sports 60 TW tire as OEM (P Zero Corsa).

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      04-20-2017 03:44 PM #7
      Our '11 Yaris came with these in a T-rated 185/60-15 with 160 treadwear. They had some tread left but were super unsafe by 20k miles (no traction on wet roads and uncontrollable axle hopping wheelspin with light acceleration).

      Total throwaway trash tires: super loud, no grip, harsh riding. Michelin Defenders totally transformed the car.


      Our Corolla has H-rated 205/55-16 ContiProContacts with a 400 rating. Kind of hoping they wear out quickly because they are loud and don't ride that well.
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      04-20-2017 03:47 PM #8
      G37S coupes had Bridgestone RE050As with 140 TW. Ugh.
      These were also found on a bunch of Japanese sports/sporty cars (350Zs, and I believe non-CR S2000s).


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      04-20-2017 04:04 PM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by Sledge View Post
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unif...uality_Grading

      There's testing behind it but it's all relative.
      Clarification here, it's only relative within the manufacturer.

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      04-20-2017 04:44 PM #10
      The MINI GP2 came standard with Kumho tires with a treadwear rating of 50. Yes, fifty.

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      04-20-2017 04:46 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by thegoodson View Post
      Clarification here, it's only relative within the manufacturer.
      If the tires truly are built to an ASTM spec, they should be fairly consistent between manufacturers.
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      04-20-2017 04:50 PM #12
      My S2000 Bridgestone S-02s are 140. You have to get into track tire compounds for a mfr to rate it much lower than that.

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      04-20-2017 04:51 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by cournot View Post
      G37S coupes had Bridgestone RE050As with 140 TW. Ugh.
      These were also found on a bunch of Japanese sports/sporty cars (350Zs, and I believe non-CR S2000s).

      BMWs too.

      A lot of 3 series owners were in shock when they had to replace their runflat re050s at 6-12k miles.

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      04-20-2017 04:58 PM #14
      i just checked my $60 DOUGLAS walmart tires because of this thread...

      treadwear of 420 maaaaan....

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      04-20-2017 04:58 PM #15
      Guilia Quad for the win, as stated. Perhaps a GT3RS or the new Demon might come close, but on a performance sedan, those tires are crazy.

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      04-20-2017 05:44 PM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by homerdash View Post
      i just checked my $60 DOUGLAS walmart tires because of this thread...

      treadwear of 420 maaaaan....
      That's... not a good thing. You do want you tires sticky enough to actually stop the car if you need to make a panic stop.

    17. 04-20-2017 05:51 PM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by cournot View Post
      G37S coupes had Bridgestone RE050As with 140 TW. Ugh.
      These were also found on a bunch of Japanese sports/sporty cars (350Zs, and I believe non-CR S2000s).

      those came on my rx8 and yes by 10k they would kill you. it's the reason Jeremy Clarke of top gear mentioned it went from the best car he'd ever driven to it tried to kill him when it got a little wet.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5FNjyaLfC8 start at 4:52

    18. 04-20-2017 05:51 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by cournot View Post
      G37S coupes had Bridgestone RE050As with 140 TW. Ugh.
      These were also found on a bunch of Japanese sports/sporty cars (350Zs, and I believe non-CR S2000s).

      Fiesta ST came with these too.. they drove pretty well for stock tires but man they wore fast. At 5500 miles I was at 4/32 on the fronts, 9/32 on the rears.

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      04-20-2017 06:02 PM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by Smigelski View Post
      That's... not a good thing. You do want you tires sticky enough to actually stop the car if you need to make a panic stop.
      they're $60 (marked down to $45/each) Walmart tires and i drive accordingly (actually, performance is pretty decent for the price, and they're H-rated)

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      04-20-2017 06:07 PM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by homerdash View Post
      i just checked my $60 DOUGLAS walmart tires because of this thread...

      treadwear of 420 maaaaan....
      I don't know if this is an inside joke, poke? Or serious? But hopefully these are the Performance GT-H! They really are decent tires.

      Quote Originally Posted by Smigelski View Post
      That's... not a good thing. You do want you tires sticky enough to actually stop the car if you need to make a panic stop.
      Don't discount the Douglas! They really are good. (Kelly Springfield tire, Made in Merica!)

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      04-20-2017 06:08 PM #21
      McLarens can be ordered with Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R's, which are rated at 60.

      But the winner for "lowest OEM treadwear" has to be the new Dodge Demon. It comes with Nitto NT05R tires, which (like other extreme DOT-legal drag radials) are rated at 00 treadwear
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      04-20-2017 06:12 PM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by initiation View Post
      Fiesta ST came with these too.. they drove pretty well for stock tires but man they wore fast. At 5500 miles I was at 4/32 on the fronts, 9/32 on the rears.
      Yep, lasted me 14,000 miles which is when I switched to Michelin Pilot Super Sports. Here I am 25,000 miles later and they're just now at 4/32.
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      04-20-2017 06:15 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by GolfTango View Post
      I don't know if this is an inside joke, poke? Or serious? But hopefully these are the Performance GT-H! They really are decent tires.



      Don't discount the Douglas! They really are good. (Kelly Springfield tire, Made in Merica!)
      yeah man, they've been great so far, down and up 95 from MD to SoFL. glad to hear they are pretty decent, i was shopping on price (and H-rating)...

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      04-20-2017 06:19 PM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by homerdash View Post
      i just checked my $60 DOUGLAS walmart tires because of this thread...

      treadwear of 420 maaaaan....
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      04-20-2017 06:28 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by cournot View Post
      G37S coupes had Bridgestone RE050As with 140 TW. Ugh.
      These were also found on a bunch of Japanese sports/sporty cars (350Zs, and I believe non-CR S2000s).
      Yep, came to post. These came on tons of BMW's around 8-10 years ago also, as well as Porsches and Ferraris.
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