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      06-15-2017 12:42 PM #26
      Off topic, but I replaced my daily Jeep Cherokee with this.

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      You'll see by the original post that a flat six fits nicely in the back.

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      Quote Originally Posted by dubdaze68 View Post
      Nah. Go full 911R/906 wafer-thin fiberglass.





      OHHHHHH MY GOD. Even the rain hats are beautiful.
      That's great... for 500 miles. He don't want no potato chip fan shroud.

      Quote Originally Posted by OptimusGlen View Post
      hah, yeah. Still no heat. Boxes are there but I don't think they work with the 914-6 tins setup. Also not sure if it's possible to flip them around like that. The car has always been a fair weather driver, something to keep me off my motorcycle. No heat is just fine by me.

      No plans for dress up yet, figured I should sort the big stuff first.
      Ah. I hadn't considered that they may be different boxes. I'd still want heat to clear the windshield, though. There may be some workaround for that kind of thing, though. You're going to have to start planning the looks of that thing. Air cleaners will make-or-break the engine compartment, especially since they'll be so dominant when you open the hood... Errrr, hatch. Cover? Deck lid? What do you call that thing?

      Quote Originally Posted by OptimusGlen View Post
      You'll see by the original post that a flat six fits nicely in the back.
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      06-15-2017 01:03 PM #28
      Awesome! This should be an interesting project!

      Also, love your new DD!

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      06-15-2017 03:39 PM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by OptimusGlen View Post
      Off topic, but I replaced my daily Jeep Cherokee with this.

      1999 540it


      You'll see by the original post that a flat six fits nicely in the back.
      Excellent! Everytime I spend a period of time not driving my E39, I get back in it and think to myself, "does it get any better than this?"

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      06-15-2017 03:40 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by Crispyfritter View Post
      Excellent! Everytime I spend a period of time not driving my E39, I get back in it and think to myself, "does it get any better than this?"

      Chris
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      06-15-2017 08:10 PM #31
      Wow, excited to see this build, this looks like a fun project and I love that you're building a 6!
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      06-17-2017 03:56 PM #32
      Started the teardown and did some much needed garage cleaning.


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      06-19-2017 09:59 AM #33
      inlet ports look clean.
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      06-19-2017 10:25 AM #34
      Make sure you are bagging and tagging fasteners. Some are weird sizes and a pain to replace/find when you go to rebuild.

      I will try to hunt up my old fan, you will want to make sure it will work with your alternator/housing and crank pulley setup though.
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      06-19-2017 10:30 AM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      That's great... for 500 miles. He don't want no potato chip fan shroud.

      I don't know what to do with that sort of blasphemy.
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      06-19-2017 11:06 AM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by 16volt View Post
      Make sure you are bagging and tagging fasteners. Some are weird sizes and a pain to replace/find when you go to rebuild.

      I will try to hunt up my old fan, you will want to make sure it will work with your alternator/housing and crank pulley setup though.
      Looking like Aaron doesn't have the fan/housing/alternator for this engine so I will be sourcing everything. Trying to figure out if I can go with a 930 fan or not.

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      06-20-2017 06:35 PM #37
      Thought of you when this came up - 9 bills for a mag case.

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      06-20-2017 06:46 PM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by dubdaze68 View Post
      I don't know what to do with that sort of blasphemy.
      What can I say? I'm brutally practical.

      Quote Originally Posted by OptimusGlen View Post
      Looking like Aaron doesn't have the fan/housing/alternator for this engine so I will be sourcing everything. Trying to figure out if I can go with a 930 fan or not.
      Oof. Sounds expensive already. Unless you can use 16Volt's 930 setup, of course.

      I remember pricing Paris-Rhone alternators waaaaay back in the late '80s and some were $700+ back then! Woof!
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    14. 06-20-2017 07:30 PM #39
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      I remember pricing Paris-Rhone alternators waaaaay back in the late '80s and some were $700+ back then! Woof!
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      06-20-2017 07:41 PM #40
      Quote Originally Posted by The Kilted Yaksman View Post
      That looks pretty fair, as long as it's a good unit.

      If memory serves some of them may have been that cheap, but that was a different time and $350 was a lot more money then! That may also have been dealership prices. It's been so long now I don't remember where I looked them up, but it likely was the dealership. (I worked at the Porsche dealer as well as a specialized import FLAPS.)
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      06-21-2017 06:32 PM #41
      Well I bit the bullet and purchased a fan and fan housing that's for this engine, I think the 930 might work but I thought it best to get the correct parts.

      Started tearing the engine down. It's very dirty, cylinder cooling vanes caked with crud. Head studs are all solid, no signs of pulled studs so far. Chain tensioners and timing components look to be solid, i.e. no failed tensioner. I have yet to pull the heads off though, that'll be another day. Plugs all matched, good sign. The timing covers have been off before, someone used gasket sealant on those. Wonder if it was for timing work or something else. Intake ports on the heads were port matched to the gaskets and presumably the carbs.

      need to buy the right tool to remove the head barrel nuts.

      Swung down to Flat six and grabbed a non-munched fiberglass fan shroud. Also grabbed another pair of carbs. I'll be able to mix and match between the two sets to piece together the best set possible then return the unused parts to Aaron.


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      06-21-2017 09:50 PM #42
      Looks pretty clean, inside. Hope it ends up being a solid block!

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      06-22-2017 06:57 AM #43
      With VW engines some guys over-torque the head studs before disassembly as a test. I'd check with your buddy to see if that's a good idea in your case and how far you should go. I would not do it without an "ok", though!

      It does look clean inside.
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      06-22-2017 09:05 AM #44
      A lot cleaner inside than outside. Looks to be a solid beginning. I'm sure once you clean the hell out of it, efficiency will be awesome. The matching plugs, gasket/port matching, and RTV actually mean good things in my eyes.
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      06-22-2017 09:29 AM #45
      Quote Originally Posted by dubdaze68 View Post
      A lot cleaner inside than outside. Looks to be a solid beginning. I'm sure once you clean the hell out of it, efficiency will be awesome. The matching plugs, gasket/port matching, and RTV actually mean good things in my eyes.
      As it should be.

      If the cylinders are really caked then there have been hot zones, but that's usually not a huge deal... Especially if you're buying new. Aren't most of the 914-6 and T engines running cast-iron cylinders? Can you put aluminum in the budget? If so, why not go bigger?
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      06-22-2017 10:18 AM #46
      yeah these are cast iron. There isn't really a budget, if I add onto the project it just prolongs the build while funds gather. I was planning on doing pistons with cylinders already though.

      I will probably still clean these cylinders up and inspect them, if they look good I can sell to recoup a few dollars at least. Or I can just get them bored and use them with new cylinders... Once I get that far I'll gauge cost-vs-value. Since this isn't going to be a super high compression performance build I don't feel the need for forged this and that.

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      06-22-2017 11:23 AM #47
      Maybe I missed it, are you splitting the case or just doing a top end?
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      06-22-2017 11:31 AM #48
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      Maybe I missed it, are you splitting the case or just doing a top end?
      With one like that it's a split. Too many unknowns.

      Cast iron is "fine", but the biggest difference besides weight (which is in the middle of the car so is of less consequence than in a 911) is aluminum's ability to shed heat. It's the reason why synthetic oil was used in air-cooled 911s but wasn't recommended for VWs. Synthetic oil couldn't pick-up and carry heat to the cooler as effectively, so it was a no-no.

      That may be completely different now since synthetic oil has evolved quite a bit. I still wouldn't use it for break-in procedures, though!
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      06-22-2017 01:28 PM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by 16volt View Post
      Maybe I missed it, are you splitting the case or just doing a top end?
      Yes, splitting the case.

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      06-22-2017 02:07 PM #50
      A ratty 914 with a slew of parts just popped up about 30 miles from me. Soooo tempting after seeing your pictures.

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