|Quote, originally posted by The Luscious »|
|^^How do those compare to the Blizzaks??|
Those are the best winter tires I've ever owned.
Blizzaks are the best you've owned? Man, I consider them middle of the road snow tires at best.
I've had Nokian Haccaplita Q'a, Haccaplita II's, Gislavad Nordfrost 3's and Micheline Alpina's. The Alpina's are closest to the Blizzaks and they're not even in the same playing field as the Nokians or Gislavads.
Here is the only story I can offer to the differences on the Blizzaks compared to the Haccaplita's.....
Bill Owen, the founder of Volksport and an avid Auto-x'er in the twin cities (and someone that can out drive the hell of a car compared to me,) came over to the Fox Cities with us in winter of '99. It was right before I moved to TX. We hung out with Tim Jones and the gang from over here and went to the ice races on Sat. I was consistently 2-3 seconds faster than him over all on our lap times. Only differences in our A2 Jettas was that I had a stock 16V and he had a well built 8V, his suspension was set up better than mine, but I was running the Hacca Q's and he was running the Blizzaks.
There is not a doubt in my mind that the only reason I was faster than him was the tires. He's a better driver than me, had a better car and had ice raced and rally-xed much more than I ever had.
The Blizzak's are good tires if you're in an area that gets light snow from time to time. They are not as "squishy," as the Nokians or the Gislavads, but up here where we've been seeing several inches one day of the week and a good dump about 3 times a month over the last couple winters I'd be much more prone to getting a full on dedicated to ice/snow winter tire rather than one that is honestly only slightly better than a good all season like the Blizzaks or Alpina's.
I'm currently running the Nordfrost 3s on my TT and the Alpina's on the S6 and am seriously considering swapping them on the rims so I can run the Nordfrost's on the S6 as I drive it much more in the winter. The S6 is still a bit touchy in the snow, the TT is an unstoppable TANK in the snow. I will drive the TT on a "snow day," over the S6 or the Touareg. My only offering on the difference is the tires.
Just my $0.02.
If anyone needs a hook up on a guy that sells Nokian, Gislavid or Green Diamond snow tires at wholesale prices, let me know. I can give you Greg Galinsky's #'s down in Slinger. He was the first distributor for Nokian in the US and still sells them out of his pole shed for ice racers and other enthusiasts. You can call him and ask him the differences in snow tires and he'll give you the honest truth from someone that has ice races for over 20 years.
One other note....General buys (or gets,) Gislavad's old molds. So today I think Gislavad is up to the Nordfrost 4 or 5, but you can get the old Nordfrost 3 tread pattern with a bit of a different tire compound from General for a fraction of the price of the Gislavads! I believe Tire Rack sell the General's.. I almost bought a set last winter, but passed just because of lack of funds.
Another good think to remember is that in snow / ice (especially ice,) it's not how much rubber you put on the road, it's how many edges of tread blocks are gripping and clawing at the ice. Summer traction and ice traction are very very different concepts. Note the differences in the tires below. The Hacca II's have MANY more gripping edges to them than the others with the Nordforost coming in second. The blizzaks and the Alpin's have larger blocks with sipping in between....it helps, but nothing like the Hacca's.
Comparison of the 3s to General's:
Modified by A1WolfsburgGLI at 9:30 PM 10-13-2009