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    Thread: WHY VWVORTEX SUCKS - Volume 1

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      07-17-2003 03:25 PM #1
      DISCLAIMER #1: Okay, first of all, I would just like to point out to everybody that if you don't like what I have to say, feel free to let me know. BUT - don't give me a response if you don't have a rational point to make.
      WHY VWVORTEX SUCKS
      I don't really know where to start my little rant. I have spent over two years on the 'tex, and I've come to realize a couple things that may have been said before.
      DISCLAIMER #2: I'm going to make these points anyway. I don't care if you've heard them before, you don't need to tell me.
      1) No matter what you say, no matter who you say it to, somebody is going to disagree with you. Sure, that's a fact of life, but not on the tex. Oh no, on the tex, if somebody doesn't agree with what you say, they flame you. HARD. Rather than saying, "No, I disagree, it should be like this", they simply tell you "that was the most ignorant, irresponsible thing I have ever heard. Shame on you." The word "ignorant" is key, because I promise you, it is used in damn near every thread in the community. Everybody has an opinion, and everybody feels the need to hijack a thread to start a flame war because they don't agree. Threads QUICKLY stray off topic because of this.
      DISCLAIMER #3: Don't tell me I'm ignorant and that "not everybody does that", and that "I shouldn't generalize like that, because not everybody fits the generalization." Yeah? I know that, you don't have to tell me. The word "everybody" doesn't, in this sense, mean "every member of the VWVORTEX community." Instead, it is being used to represent a large amount of users.
      2) Post count is everything. I'll admit, I've done some rather childish things on vwvortex (Yes, I've bombed the test forum with the aid of some friends, leading to a lock and 10 point deduction. 86 posts, 150 views in the test forum? That's funny, whether you think it's irresposible, ignorant, and childish or not.) but if it were 3 guys with 15000 posts, the mods would have found it rather funny. Admit it, I don't care if the mods come in here and say, "No, it wouldn't be like that!" -- I can promise you it would. I remember one night when some rather "old school" members were posting incredibly obvious "welcome to last week" posts in the Car Lounge (Did you guys see that new honda commercial? Did you guys see that honda with the 15" exhaust tip? etc etc) .. The mods would lock the threads, and post things like "Hahaha, you guys just don't give up, do you! " If I would have done that, I would've been banned.
      DISCLAIMER #4: Yes, I realize I wouldn't have been banned. The word "banned" in this sense is flavored with what I call "sarcasm." If you don't know what this means, you probably don't deserve to live.
      DISCLAIMER #4a: I'm kidding. You should just lose a limb for being so stupid.
      3) Why do people feel the need to reply to a post simply stating, "This thread is stupid. What a horrible thread. I don't like this thread at all." Sure, some threads are rediculously off topic and out of line, but come on. Even those can be taken with a grain of salt - if somebody posts something UNRELATED to cars *GASP!* in the car lounge, LET THE MODERATORS TAKE CARE OF IT. Are you just trying to increase your post count by saying, "This is the car lounge, not the off topic forum!"? Report to the moderators, and be on your way.
      4) The "Honda owners are ignorant, stupid ricers" mentality needs to go. This is also known as the "If it's not european, it's no good" mentality. When are you going to realize that the Asian auto manufacturers have far surpassed that of the Germans? Need proof? Look at sales reports. Look at Mercedes Benz and BMW's styling & quality control standards, compared to your average Honda Accord. More bang for the buck in a new car? Asian is your best bet.
      DISCLAIMER #5: If you think that VW still makes higher quality, more stylish, more impressive automobiles than the Asian manufacturers, that's your opinion - I may disagree, but I won't tell you that you're a moron for thinking that. I love European cars to death, but I'm willing to call a spade a spade.
      4a) Yes, you ARE wrong! Not all hondas have triple decker aluminum wings, 12" exhaust tips, outlandish body kits, and 22" American Racing wheels. Some Honda's are even, *GASP!*, stylish! Just because somebody decides to modify a Honda doesn't make them a *****, nor does it make them cocky and arrogant. "Rice" can easily be compared to "Euro", they're just different styles, PERIOD. I'm also willing to bet that some of them are better drivers than you, too.
      DISCLAIMER #6: Don't like Honda? I don't care. Don't reply to this post to tell me about it, because that has nothing to do with what I'm trying to point out.
      I could go on for hours, but I'll stop here. Maybe I'll start a monthly edition of "WHY VWVORTEX SUCKS."
      DISCLAIMER #7: No, VWVORTEX doesn't suck. The title is simply a direct reflection of how angry I get with some of the things that go on around here. You don't have to reply just to tell me that the tex doesn't suck, I know - thanks anyway
      DISCLAIMER #8: I'm 18 years old, you really don't have to tell me that I'm young and ignorant and that I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm a teenager, therefore I'm invincible - of COURSE I don't know what I'm talking about.


      Modified by thompo at 12:26 PM 7-17-2003

    2. 07-17-2003 03:26 PM #2
      you wrote all of that just to get banned?
      *but some very rational points*



      Modified by surefooted at 3:30 PM 7-17-2003

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      07-17-2003 03:28 PM #3
      Don't like it here. Go somewhere else. Goodness.
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      07-17-2003 03:29 PM #4
      Wow pretty good read!!!!

    5. 07-17-2003 03:31 PM #5
      there are definately alot of close minded people here. At times I think we can all be that person though. My complaint is that this place is just getting too damn crowded.
      Plus i hate when people correct my grammer.
      Shut up. you know what i mean.

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      07-17-2003 03:31 PM #6
      See, this is what I was assuming would happen. I'm not trying to get banned! Nor did I ever say, "I don't like VWVORTEX" -- If you didn't notice the sarcasm throughout the entire post, I'm sorry. I spend about 3 hours a day reading the tex, its not like I'm trying to get banned or anything of that sort.
      Do you guys read Dave Barry and get pissed, too?

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      07-17-2003 03:32 PM #7
      You forgot one other thing. Everyone needs a grammar lesson, and there are some of us who are willing to always dish one out.
      On that note, you spelled "ridiculous" wrong.

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      07-17-2003 03:33 PM #8
      I agree 100%. Thats why http://www.generationdub.com R0x0rs j00r B0x0r5

    9. 07-17-2003 03:34 PM #9
      I bet you drive a mk4

    10. 07-17-2003 03:35 PM #10
      Quote, originally posted by ImRollin »
      I bet you drive a mk4


    11. 07-17-2003 03:35 PM #11
      id like it if VWvortex implemented something like s2ki, where you basically prove you are a s2k owner and your owner status is indicated every time you post. (im not surte how they implement this)
      i'd like a lot more moderators on the car lounge, or perhaps a points system simlikar to slashdot's moderation system in which random posters get to moderate up topics/posts.

      Most importantly since it seems like most posters in the car lounge don't own european cars
      I'd like it if japanese car owners actually spent a lot of time driving european cars and would understand why, despite higher prices, expensive repairs, more expensive mods, usually lower straightline performance, and lower reliablity, people still like to buy european cars for reasons other than status.




      Modified by profbooty at 3:38 PM 7-17-2003

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      07-17-2003 03:36 PM #12
      Quote, originally posted by CanuckPal »
      You forgot one other thing. Everyone needs a grammar lesson, and there are some of us who are willing to always dish one out.
      On that note, you spelled "ridiculous" wrong.

      HAHA. Jerk.
      Just kidding. That's the kind of response I was hoping for, thanks for not taking me 100% seriously (while understanding my points).

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      07-17-2003 03:36 PM #13
      Disclaimers, 9 - Points of Discussion, 5. Another clear win for Disclaimers.

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      07-17-2003 03:38 PM #14
      Quote, originally posted by Spaghetti_Part2 »
      there are definately alot of close minded people here.

      Yeah, but if only closed minds came with closed mouths.....

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      07-17-2003 03:39 PM #15
      Quote, originally posted by MartijnGizmo »
      Yeah, but if only closed minds came with closed mouths.....

      That's too funny.

    16. 07-17-2003 03:40 PM #16
      this post is pointless! it sucks!
      anyways... there's some good points... especially that euro crap... it seems that if they dont like it.. it's automatically r!ce... why can't those people with body kits just have them cause they like how they look? because it's not german and or oem it's gotta be r!ce seems to be the mentallity of some people here. [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthdown.gif[/IMG]

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      07-17-2003 03:43 PM #17
      [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

      and Canuck cracks me up

    18. 07-17-2003 03:44 PM #18
      Quote, originally posted by profbooty »
      Most importantly since it seems like most posters in the car lounge don't own european cars
      I'd like it if japanese car owners actually spent a lot of time driving european cars and would understand why, despite higher prices, expensive repairs, more expensive mods, usually lower straightline performance, and lower reliablity, people still like to buy european cars for reasons other than status.

      I like that statement [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG] but let me change it just a bit...
      "Most importantly since it seems like most posters in the car lounge own european cars
      I'd like it if eruopean car owners actually spent a lot of time driving japanese cars and would understand why, despite lower prices, few repairs, cheap mods, usually higher straightline performance, and far better reliablity, people still like to buy japanese cars for reasons other than appliances."
      Actually I agree with both statements. If we could somehow get everyone to see both....

    19. 07-17-2003 03:45 PM #19
      I agree with the close mind/close mouth deal, but that will never happen.
      I never know about generationdub.com, I just signed up.
      As for thompo, he always seems to be complaining, however, I can't wait until volume 2 comes out. Is there going to be a set time/date for it? or will it just come randomly?
      in regards to sarcasm... I am often getting in trouble because I am being sarcastic 90% of the time and people just can't handle it..

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      07-17-2003 03:45 PM #20
      Quote, originally posted by Spaghetti_Part2 »
      there are definately alot of close minded people here. At times I think we can all be that person though. My complaint is that this place is just getting too damn crowded.
      Plus i hate when people correct my grammer.
      Shut up. you know what i mean.

      Grammar. What? You didn't say anything about spelling.
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    21. 07-17-2003 03:46 PM #21
      Quote, originally posted by surefooted »
      Actually I agree with both statements. If we could somehow get everyone to see both....

      keyword there is SOMEHOW... another thing that unfortunately won't ever happen.

    22. 07-17-2003 03:47 PM #22
      the vortex has to be heavily moderated, because of so many members. It would get out of control without the rules it has.

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      07-17-2003 03:48 PM #23
      Quote, originally posted by surefooted »
      Actually I agree with both statements. If we could somehow get everyone to see both...

      That brings me to what I was trying to accomplish with this post. Obviously, people already knew this was happening, and maybe nobody had said it like this (by "it" I mean, the points I tried to make. And I know I used alot of sarcasm in the post, I'm just trying to keep it somewhat humorous without trying to sound like a complete ass.)
      What can we do to "fix" the things that have plagued the tex? Is the userbase just too big to go back to the "old days"? I realize I've only been here since 50k users, and even then there were some problems, but hardly any. For those of you who have been around since 5k users and less, I'm sure you have an even bigger connection with what I'm trying to say.
      More moderation? Different point system? Use the current point system? *shrug* I don't know, but I'm sure some of you who have been around longer have some ideas.

    24. 07-17-2003 03:50 PM #24
      Quote, originally posted by thompo »
      [ 2) (Yes, I've bombed the test forum with the aid of some friends, leading to a lock and 10 point deduction. 86 posts, 150 views in the test forum? That's funny, whether you think it's irresposible, ignorant, and childish or not.) but if it were 3 guys with 15000 posts, the mods would have found it rather funny. Admit it, I don't care if the mods come in here and say, "No, it wouldn't be like that!" -- I can promise you it would.

      i personally know two long time mods who were recently banned for post bombing.
      in all seriousness, i have the perfect solution to ALL of your vortex problems. ive helped numerous people here with issues that they have had. its a fairly simple solution. the details can be found HERE



      Modified by rockit at 12:57 PM 7-17-2003

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      07-17-2003 03:51 PM #25
      This post should really be titled, "WHY INTERNET DISCUSSION FORUMS SUCK."
      People are really hostile in discussion forums simply because the likelihood of violent reprisal is fairly low. I'm not going to fly to Anchorage to beat up the fat butt-scratching couch-racer that just called me an idiot while he sips his third Mountain Dew of the evening.
      Also, if you make a total ass of yourself online, you can just register a new identity! Presto! The slate is wiped clean!
      Given that, I think the Vortex is an impressively civil place to hang out. Have you visited ClubSi? It's like an automated insult-o-tron.
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