No promises, of course, but is this something you would purchase?
- Anthony
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Posted by: 2002_Turbo at 9:04 AM 3-13-2009
Why would I want to downgrade my chipped TDI (155/255), HIDs/fogs equipped, with bigger brakes etc. with sth that only looks good?
This thing would be hot if it was rated 170-200 hp. Can they at least throw in 4Motion?
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Posted by: silverA4quattro at 9:29 AM 3-13-2009
It would also need the upgraded 170 hp engine
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Posted by: lancGTI at 10:17 AM 3-13-2009
| Quote, originally posted by 2002_Turbo » |
| I wouldn't purchase another Volkswagen product. |
X infinite
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Posted by: absoluteczech at 10:33 AM 3-13-2009
near 28 is almost A4 and 3 series league.
Modified by absoluteczech at 7:34 AM 3-13-2009
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Posted by: Milou_1968 at 10:36 AM 3-13-2009
The fact that there's not a single hot hatch TDI, is terrible.
Post Title: Re: (absoluteczech)
Posted by: NaKoRuRu at 11:11 AM 3-13-2009
| Quote, originally posted by absoluteczech » |
| not for that price |
x2
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Posted by: robbinsresort at 11:14 AM 3-13-2009
Since your asking about diesel. I would buy the MK6 Golf GTD thats currently planned for EU. Especially if it comes to the US in 4-door. 
Post Title: Re: (motocaddy)
Posted by: Satummoo at 12:21 PM 3-13-2009
then again, my MK4 has a lot of life into it 
Post Title: Re: (jrowny)
Posted by: DrewTheBrave at 12:25 PM 3-13-2009
| Quote, originally posted by jrowny » |
| TDI Rabbit or TDI GTI would get my $$$$ The fact that there's not a single hot hatch TDI, is terrible. |
Totally agreed. I'd be all over the TDI if it came in a hatch!
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Posted by: natskiboy at 12:32 PM 3-13-2009
Im looking at the BMW diesels now
Post Title: Re: (absoluteczech)
Posted by: iPinch at 12:40 PM 3-13-2009
| Quote, originally posted by absoluteczech » |
| not for that price near 28 is almost A4 and 3 series league. |
In what world? both of those cars start at $33,600
Modified by iPinch at 9:42 AM 3-13-2009
Post Title: Re: (iPinch)
Posted by: vwmikelvw at 12:53 PM 3-13-2009
| Quote, originally posted by iPinch » |
In what world? both of those cars start at $33,600
|
who pays msrp? and i said almost 3 series and a4 pricing. invoice on a 3 series is 30,000k for 2k id rather have a bmw and be a badge whore then a vw jetta
and btw A4 2.0t is 31, with invoice @ 28k zing!
Modified by absoluteczech at 10:00 AM 3-13-2009
Post Title: Re: (Milou_1968)
Posted by: Sales@DBCPerformance at 1:03 PM 3-13-2009
| Quote, originally posted by Milou_1968 » |
| yes with: HID, Paddle shifter & DSG, 170 HP |
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Posted by: Lex4TDI4Life at 1:36 PM 3-13-2009
| Quote, originally posted by Uncle Wiggley » |
| What? No Barbie oil burner addition! enough of the novelty cars VW. |
VW builds Barbie dream car for Barbie Malibu mansion
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-1....html
Post Title: Re: (Lex4TDI4Life)
Posted by: johnnloki at 1:48 PM 3-13-2009
| Quote, originally posted by vwmikelvw » |
| Now if only they could put this much time and effort into a car that isn't as gigantic as the MK5. Where's my damn Polo/Lupo/Fox? |
This
| Quote, originally posted by Lex4TDI4Life » |
| the more TDIs, the better. i would much rather have a 170hp TDI hatch, however. |
And please don't mate it with a DSG-"Ah!No!250 ft-lbsoftorque-Ican'thandleit" gearbox. Not only is it weaker, but I've got two arms and two legs, and I kind of dig using them all to drive.
Bigger power output + smaller car = Volkswagen's legacy for as long as I've been alive- it's time to get back at it and stop trying to make veedub minivans. Minivan buyers will buy domestic. The Q7 is the car that potential toureg buyers want.
Get back to basics. Small, fast, efficient and packed with attitude.
Post Title: Re: (Milou_1968)
Posted by: whatnxt at 1:55 PM 3-13-2009
| Quote, originally posted by Milou_1968 » |
| yes with: HID, Paddle shifter & DSG, 170 HP |
Post Title: Re: (jrowny)
Posted by: mrchill at 1:56 PM 3-13-2009
Why not make a true sports version...or better yet, use ones you have. GtTdi...Bora R....you have those. Higher output engines...6 speeds....all wheel drive... This is what Subaru and Mitsubishi have made their living on. VW is FAR larger than them...but the VW marketing team is in la la land. They have dropped the ball so continuously it is a bar joke.
Think of it this way, why would I...a life time VW guy....and a DIESEL guy, buy a "sports" edition VW Tdi with stock output? Especially when I can run rings around that car in my Mk3 Tdi? ANd my Mk4? No contest. Some will not choose to modify as I have...so why not have a factory UPGRADE instead of forcing people to risk warranties to get added power.
Does anyone buy an SS series Chevrolet with stock output? How about a stock output Nismo series Nissan? Or a stock output AMG Mercedes? A stock Dinan BMW? How about a stock output Ford SVO? A stock Spoon edition Honda? Seriously.
If you want to sell something...how about a Polo or Lupo as was previously mentioned? People are clammering for these cars! Why leave the whole mini car market to Toyota, Nissan, Honda, BMW and for heaven sake....Smart(or as I call them...not so smarts). They dont even have reasonable mileage! And no excuses like "they would cost too much to import" like I have had VW marketing tell me. These small VW are made in South America....not very far to ship I'd say. Sell what people WANT...not what YOU want to sell THEM. Like...a true sports version of the Tdi....and super economy cars like the Polo and Lupo.
When I was out of the country...I marveled at the power and mileage of the petrol versions of the Lupo.... and the Diesels are better! Stop making the same mistakes over and over again. Look at this thread alone.... more comments on small cars than fast ones.... look around the streets of this country. All those small cars..... hmmmm....
Modified by mrchill at 4:17 PM 3-13-2009
Post Title: Re: (mrchill)
Posted by: Anthony@VMG at 2:03 PM 3-13-2009
And the price will be *under* $28,000. The manual would be standard, DSG optional. Aren't choices great?
- Anthony
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Posted by: G2BForReal at 2:12 PM 3-13-2009
I don't know what all of the complaining is about. I think with the options and powerplant this would be a great deal.
Sure the thunderbunny bumper is take it or leave it, but with the right color combo and a drop, I think it would look dead sexy.
I don't like those wheels if they are the choice of wheel that would come standard.
As far as power goes, I don't know much about the TDi, but I would think with a simple chip tune (which everyone on here seems to do anyway) those power #'s would go up significantly no?
I would rather have a smaller VW offered in the states, but I will take anything remotely cool that VW decides to bless us with at this point.
Post Title: Re: (johnnloki)
Posted by: bcze1 at 2:15 PM 3-13-2009
| Quote, originally posted by johnnloki » |
And please don't mate it with a DSG-"Ah!No!250 ft-lbsoftorque-Ican'thandleit" gearbox. Not only is it weaker, but I've got two arms and two legs, and I kind of dig using them all to drive. |
Nothing wrong with your preference, but its been well proven that DSG is not weaker.
Personally, no interest in the car. Enough with diesel Jettas. Give us an interesting diesel Golf (170HP TDI required) and I'd absolutely consider it.
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Posted by: sifika at 2:15 PM 3-13-2009
Sidenote: Can I purchase the Thunderbunny bumber set anywhere online, or from VW? Does it mate with the GTI Front end?
Modified by sifika at 11:16 AM 3-13-2009
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Posted by: pch0mey at 2:39 PM 3-13-2009
| Quote, originally posted by Anthony@VMG » |
And the price will be *under* $28,000. - Anthony |
So it will be $27,999?
OT
tell vw to bring a better engine for the rabbit instead of the stupid 2.5L give us a the TFSI engine or something (Golf GT)
Modified by absoluteczech at 11:59 AM 3-13-2009
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Posted by: TURBO PAUL at 2:59 PM 3-13-2009
| Quote, originally posted by MkV_2.5 » |
| Am I the only one who hates that "Thunder" bumper? (and stripes) |
| Quote, originally posted by robbinsresort » |
| Drop the front bumper, then maybe. |
I was amazed at how ugly that ThunderBunny front end was when I first saw it years ago. I have only been dismayed at the fact that it hasn't gone away by now.....put this MkVI front on it, and the car would be way better!!!!!
But the idea of a Jetta Sport TDI is definitely appealing, just like the upcoming Rabbit TDI Sport. Would the 170hp be better, sure. Will VW sell enough to pay for getting the 170hp diesel through all the federal emissions testing necessary, I don't think so, especially in these economic times. And could that engine even get through 50 state emissions so it could be sold everywhere?
Post Title: Re: FV-QR (TURBO PAUL)
Posted by: SAPJetta at 3:12 PM 3-13-2009
In general i think its a dumb idea. My father has a TDI and his is more interested in MPG not MPH. so why not do some Aero mods to boost the MPG a little. smoothed grill, lower ride height, different tires and wheels. that would drive the TDI guys wild!
Post Title: Re: (sifika)
Posted by: Anthony@VMG at 4:00 PM 3-13-2009
| Quote, originally posted by sifika » |
Sidenote: Can I purchase the Thunderbunny bumber set anywhere online, or from VW? Does it mate with the GTI Front end? Modified by sifika at 11:16 AM 3-13-2009 |
You can get it through your VW parts department. And yes, it works on the Golf, too.
Post Title: Re: (WhiteJettaMK3)
Posted by: TheGermanExperience at 4:04 PM 3-13-2009
I do wonder what changes there are between the 140hp and 170hp versions mechanically, whether the 170hp version would be 50 state legal, and if it is just a chip tune difference and would be still legal could they do like chevy and the cobalt SS and have a factory chip program to boost output and avoid recertifying the engine.
I agree more power would truly push the decision for most people on the fence - it would be a must have car.
Post Title: Re: (absoluteczech)
Posted by: silverA4quattro at 4:05 PM 3-13-2009
Jetta sport wagen "GLI" TDI. So basically a sporty sport wagen TDI with a HP and TQ bump to justify the bigger brakes and faster suspension.
Also make a premium pack available for a *reasonable* cost with sunroof, HID, bluetooth, etc. Keep it well under $30K.
Post Title: Re: (G2BForReal)
Posted by: Anthony@VMG at 4:05 PM 3-13-2009
| Quote, originally posted by G2BForReal » |
Sure the thunderbunny bumper is take it or leave it, but with the right color combo and a drop, I think it would look dead sexy. |
So would it be more appealing if the thunderbunny front was an option, and thus a base price reduction? Although I guess it wouldn't be a "street" edition TDI Cup car if it doesn't have the thunderbunny front.
Post Title: Re: (TheGermanExperience)
Posted by: Anthony@VMG at 4:09 PM 3-13-2009
| Quote, originally posted by TheGermanExperience » |
I do wonder what changes there are between the 140hp and 170hp versions mechanically, whether the 170hp version would be 50 state legal, and if it is just a chip tune difference and would be still legal could they do like chevy and the cobalt SS and have a factory chip program to boost output and avoid recertifying the engine. I agree more power would truly push the decision for most people on the fence - it would be a must have car. |
I am not sure what the changes are either, but wouldn't most the owners of this car chip it, just like they do with the 2.0T? 
Don't forget you have about 240tq at your disposal with this motor already, and that's before any tuning.
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Posted by: mrchill at 4:25 PM 3-13-2009
| Quote, originally posted by TheGermanExperience » |
| I would love to have this option, but in reality I think that unless gas goes way up again |
you'd be a fool to thing it wont
Post Title: Re: (absoluteczech)
Posted by: TheGermanExperience at 4:37 PM 3-13-2009
I'm not buying one regardless... I'm getting a scirocco or new gti when my lease is up.
besides, if diesel is still more expensive in relation to gas, it is still more expensive
Post Title: Re: (TheGermanExperience)
Posted by: bcze1 at 4:47 PM 3-13-2009
| Quote, originally posted by TheGermanExperience » |
| you can see that now as sales of gas misers are way down. |
All car sales are down, 'gas misers' are simply enjoying the misery. I hear it loves company.
| Quote, originally posted by TheGermanExperience » |
| besides, if diesel is still more expensive in relation to gas, it is still more expensive |
It may be more expensive per gallon (BTW the price gap is minimal in most areas now), but educated consumers will consider far more than just that. Increased MPG, resale value, & tax credits change the economics significantly.
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Posted by: redneckdzl at 5:21 PM 3-13-2009
i think it's a shame to have a sport edition but not up the stock power.
I'd buy it but it definitely would get chipped right away just so i could run circles around the stock sport edition.
if it's going to have less power it better be cheaper then the current gli
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Posted by: deesul at 5:38 PM 3-13-2009
But I'm definitely in agreement that it needs a bump in power, otherwise its just an appearance package. 170hp shouldn't be hard and it would give it some nice pep. More would be better.
All wheel drive would be a SERIOUS plus! IMO, 2 wheel drive is the way of the past, so many companies make dependable all wheel drive systems now, it seems like if you want to even be competitive, you need to offer all wheel drive. A lot of those people who live in colder climates look for cars specifically with all wheel drive or 4 wheel drive. You'd really open yourself up to a new market it you offered it as an option. Just think, where else can you get upwards of 40mpg, look sexy, go fast, and drive in all kinds of weather???
Volkswagen has what? 3% of the US market share? Its opportunities like this that could really step up the company's image.
... and bring smaller cars with the TDI over 
Post Title: Re: (deesul)
Posted by: Brimjolt at 5:40 PM 3-13-2009
That said, VW really needs to get the Lupo or Polo in North America. Also, if VW brought an AWD TDI Golf, even if I were destitute and homeless, I would rob banks until I could afford to buy one! Just so you know it's not lip service, I owned several TDI's before I switched to Audi so that I could have AWD.
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Posted by: 2k4golfgen4 at 9:44 PM 3-13-2009
| Quote, originally posted by bcze1 » |
Nothing wrong with your preference, but its been well proven that DSG is not weaker. |
Talk to the guys on tdiclub with the unhappy DSG gearboxes, and the droves of people saying "If you've got DSG then you really want to limit your upgrades to ___________".
My only real problem with the question of this car is that a few months ago... maybe 6 or so... there was a request on here asking if there was interest in a higher hp TDI hot hatch. Almost unanimously the answer was "YESSSS!"
Now a Jetta TDI Cup special edition, but with stock output? For real? Rims, an...er ... uh ... upgraded bumper 
and ... maybe some aluminum trimming inside or something?
That's not the upgrade that people want, and honestly, it's a better question first of all for the TDIClub- sure it's smaller, but if you want to be on the right track, then start with the loudest cheerleaders of TDIs first off, then the general VeeDub fans next, and hope that the combined input leads to something that'll sell.
Volkswagen really has a chance to create and corner a market with TDIs- they've got the market already, but we're limited to one engine choice for each generation- C'mon now- don't keep giving us Euro envy with their 2.5L and 3.0L audi engines, their 170 crs and pd150s. Give us a darned upgrade... even one that is just a chip away (so get the fuel injection, intake/Tip/airbox and downpipe sorted out from the factory but tuned waaaaay down).
Lots of TDI guys modify their cars, at great result- a bodykit some trim and big heavy rims aren't really upgrades to 75% of TDI owners.
Post Title: Re: (absoluteczech)
Posted by: sdub at 6:51 AM 3-14-2009
| Quote, originally posted by absoluteczech » |
| not for that price near 28 is almost A4 and 3 series league. |
Exactly.
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Posted by: My Fast GTI at 8:38 AM 3-14-2009
| Quote, originally posted by redneckdzl » |
| i don't know if we need 170 hp, but they could up the anty a bit say by 15-20 HP, the torks go up a lot more with that power. |
The CR 170 is an option in Europe and is the configuration used in the TDI Cup Car. It's no-brainer parts bin engineering. It would have to be certified with the EPA, but there's already talk of that being underway.
I have to agree, the Thunderbunny front has to go.
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Posted by: rdubtheislander at 12:30 PM 3-14-2009
Even with all the amenities, there won't be enough to differentiate it from the regular TDI.
If they are serious about selling this model, they must put Xenon Headlights and the 170 HP engine. Do not bother selling it otherwise, spend your working hours thinking up better ideas instead of trying to come up with a chunkier Civic SI.
Also keep it under $26,000, similar to a GLI.
Modified by rdubtheislander at 9:35 AM 3-14-2009
Post Title: Re: (rdubtheislander)
Posted by: johnnloki at 4:22 PM 3-14-2009
I would so buy it, but..... I will buy the 2010 polo TDI.
Modified by 16vtpassat at 9:05 PM 3-14-2009
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Posted by: 16vtpassat at 7:01 PM 3-14-2009
| Quote, originally posted by 16vtpassat » |
| btw, I would prefer the BKD engine, instead of the CRD. and no, dont bring the 170 hp engine. The ecu is totally ****ed up and, a bitch to tune. |
I agree, do not bring 170hp. Bring the 205hp twin turbo version. Who needs tune with 205hp/350tq+? You will be looking for 4Motion retrofit instead...
Post Title: Re: (johnnloki)
Posted by: bcze1 at 9:36 PM 3-14-2009
| Quote, originally posted by johnnloki » |
Talk to the guys on tdiclub with the unhappy DSG gearboxes, and the droves of people saying "If you've got DSG then you really want to limit your upgrades to ___________". |
OK, but lets also talk to the guys running K04's and GT3071's on a 2.0T. Plenty of them pushing ~400lb-ft through a stock DSG without issue at the moment. The 6sp manual can't handle much more without upgrades either.
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Posted by: 16VSerenity at 10:46 PM 3-14-2009
I would so buy it, but..... I will buy the 2010 polo TDI.
Post Title: Re: (mrchill)
Posted by: johnnloki at 2:04 AM 3-15-2009
| Quote, originally posted by 16vtpassat » |
| you guys are retards, You can chip the car to 170-190 easy. Plus the USA VW dealer ships offered the 170 software tuning for free, if you but a 2.0 16v CRD. I would so buy it, but..... I will buy the 2010 polo TDI. |
| Quote, originally posted by mrchill » |
| B... if its true that dealers can reflash to 170hp, then they should do it a no charge to promote sales. That way it may sell...... |
Sounds a little... optimistic to me. I've a tough time believing that the dealers would be installing chips on cars- it seems more believable that this dealership network might try to deny a transmission claim under warranty because you have an aftermarket shift knob.
Seems to me like there wouldn't be such a clamoring for the ECU tuners to get *any* product to market for the new 140 hp CRD TDIs if the dealers were doing it, or maybe I'd have seen it pop up in a conversation or two on TDI club.
Modified by johnnloki at 11:05 PM 3-14-2009
Modified by johnnloki at 11:06 PM 3-14-2009
Post Title: Re: Would you buy a TDI CUP Street Edition Jetta? VW is looking for feedback... (Anthony@VMG)
Posted by: vdubdoU at 11:48 AM 3-15-2009
So where are all you yes people?
Also, power wouldn't be bumped - I asked about it and it's not possible without redoing all the emission certifications. So the 140hp would stay, you'd have to turn to the aftermarket to increase your power.
Let's price this out:
A GLI starts at $24,770. Adding a set of the cheapest 18" wheels is $750 (The Vision V wheels are $2300, which are what's on the TDI Cup Street Edition). That brings you to $25,520. Then add the ground effects kit and you're up another $1,699 to $27,219. If you add on the same wheels that the TDI CUP Street Edition gets, and not just the cheapest 18" wheels, then total price is $28,760. That doesn't have the thunderbunny front, either.
Take into account that the TDI Cup Street Edition will be *under* $28,000 (and I don't mean $27,999), then it's starting to look like a good deal. Yeah?
And the graphics on the side are just a sticker, so if you don't like them, you can peel them off. Remember the lightweight E36 M3 with that checkered flag sticker behind the headlight? It's kind of the same thing...
- Anthony
Post Title: Re: Would you buy a TDI CUP Street Edition Jetta? VW is looking for feedback... (Anthony@VMG)
Posted by: johnnloki at 2:54 PM 3-15-2009
| Quote, originally posted by Anthony@VMG » |
| Also, power wouldn't be bumped - I asked about it and it's not possible without redoing all the emission certifications. So the 140hp would stay, you'd have to turn to the aftermarket to increase your power. |
That's unfortunate. Then my answer to this is certainly no. Wouldn't buy a 'sporty edition' TDI hot-hatch like they were asking before either, going by that paragraph you just typed, unless it was a 2 door. Gotta give me something real for it to be a real special edition, not just factory installed R.I.C.E. or a set of skis or a guitar.
Post Title: Re: Would you buy a TDI CUP Street Edition Jetta? VW is looking for feedback... (Anthony@VMG)
Posted by: deesul at 3:17 PM 3-15-2009
How about some kind of rebate or discount on an approved tune for us guys who DO want more power?
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Posted by: S4NoMore at 3:52 PM 3-15-2009
That would be my perfect TDI jetta.
Post Title: Re: (16vtpassat)
Posted by: brian81 at 4:20 PM 3-15-2009
| Quote, originally posted by 16vtpassat » |
| you guys are retards, You can chip the car to 170-190 easy. Plus the USA VW dealer ships offered the 170 software tuning for free, if you but a 2.0 16v CRD. |
I've had new VWs since Dec. '80, and USA dealerships have never offered software tuning for free. Retards, eh?
This car sounds like the heir apparent to the Rabbit S. The 1981 Rabbit S. We all knew about the GTI, and people were importing GTI parts for Rabbits. To "tide us over" until the real thing was ready, VWoA did a trim package on a Rabbit LS. Fender Flares, red trim on the grille and nameplates, black bumpers, hatch trim, and beltline molding, 13" alloys, the steering wheel and gauge package from a Scirocco. No wood-grain vinyl in the dash, but no "Sport Seats", either. Woop-de-doo. It had no mechanical differences from any other Rabbit.
I'd rather have an ordinary TDI and mod it as I see fit, rather than buy something with no performance edge and a butt-ugly front end just so I could say I had a "Cup Car".
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Posted by: Pizza_Dough at 4:26 PM 3-15-2009
Power is **** so why would you need the better suspension, brakes, wheels, manual???
The body kit has no function, and thus enters gaudy ***** status.
And the size effects how efficient it could be if it were a smaller polo or fox tdi.
Stupid idea if you ask me.
Either give it more power, or lose the trunk two doors, and the bodykit (that looks ok to me but would much rather it on my gli with a nice FMIC backing)
28k isn't alot for this car, but a good amount of that money could be saved when you drop the unnessisary body, suspension, brakes, wheels, oh wait that th normal TDI.... Why would there even be a question on making this??? If someone wants it to look like this soo badly but still have a 10 sec 0-60 let them buy the kit aftermarket.
Cliff notes: NNOOOOOOOOOOO WAAAYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!
Post Title: Re: Would you buy a TDI CUP Street Edition Jetta? VW is looking for feedback... (Anthony@VMG)
Posted by: maloosheck at 4:40 PM 3-15-2009
| Quote, originally posted by Anthony@VMG » |
| The Vision V wheels are $2300, which are what's on the TDI Cup Street Edition. |
Visions 18" for that price? Last time I checked they were ~$350 each.
Post Title: Re: Would you buy a TDI CUP Street Edition Jetta? VW is looking for feedback... (maloosheck)
Posted by: mrchill at 6:32 PM 3-15-2009
1. Like many, I view this as largely a body kit. Yeah, the wheels are better than stock, and the Thunderbunny kit is ok cool. But without the extra power of the 170 hp Cup engine, I'd pass.
My guess is that most people that actually buy a TDI, not just click on an online survey, are doing it for reasons besides looks. So, I am not sure this kit would bring a different buyer into showrooms.
2. The cost of diesel fuel is more expensive in my area (Seattle) than even premium in most cases. So the "business case" for buying a diesel is just not there. Now a fast car, regardless of powerplant, is worth looking at. Which leads back to the earlier comment of 170hp.
3. I would be far more interested if this was a GTD. I don't want/need/like the trunk of the Jetta. 95% of my driving is solo, with the occasional lunch trip needing the extra seats. We have a Subbie wagon for family trips, so the Jetta is not the right car for me.
4. At this point in the MKV cycle, I would rather wait to see what the MKVIs offer. If I don't like the VI, I can always pick up a used MKV.
5. Lastly, I will give VW props for trying something new. I agree that VWs marketing is not always the best. I think the R32s should have had enough power to compete with the STI and EVO. I think the R32 should have had the option of a 6 speed manual tranny. VW should be bringing the Scirocco to the US, even if it does steal sales from the GTI (f-it...a sale is a sale.)
All that said, I like that VW is trying new things. I love the CC, and would love to see a true sport version of that offered. The Tiguan is a nice compact SUV, and so on. I think the big issue is that the VWs we would like to see would poach sales from Audi. While a Scirroco sale stolen from a GTI sale is probably not bad, I can see where Audi might be upset if the "baby sister" brand was stealing sales.
I have owned 5 VWs (1 MKI Rabbit, 2 MKII GTIs, 1 MKIII GTI, and now my current MKIV GTI...see the pattern) The Rabbit was a 1980 diesel Rabbit. I could see myself back in a diesel if the stars lined up right. But I would not pay the premium to get this car over a regular Jetta TDI. Show me a GTD, with a 6 speed and 170hp, and we can have a nice conversation regarding monthly payments.
Modified by Foxtrot 3 at 6:15 PM 3-15-2009
Modified by Foxtrot 3 at 6:16 PM 3-15-2009
Post Title: Re: Would you buy a TDI CUP Street Edition Jetta? VW is looking for feedback... (Anthony@VMG)
Posted by: vdubdoU at 10:01 PM 3-15-2009
| Quote, originally posted by Anthony@VMG » |
| This is funny because we have three pages of people saying no, but in the poll, the yes guys are kicking ass. So where are all you yes people? Also, power wouldn't be bumped - I asked about it and it's not possible without redoing all the emission certifications. So the 140hp would stay, you'd have to turn to the aftermarket to increase your power. Let's price this out: A GLI starts at $24,770. Adding a set of the cheapest 18" wheels is $750 (The Vision V wheels are $2300, which are what's on the TDI Cup Street Edition). That brings you to $25,520. Then add the ground effects kit and you're up another $1,699 to $27,219. If you add on the same wheels that the TDI CUP Street Edition gets, and not just the cheapest 18" wheels, then total price is $28,760. That doesn't have the thunderbunny front, either. Take into account that the TDI Cup Street Edition will be *under* $28,000 (and I don't mean $27,999), then it's starting to look like a good deal. Yeah? And the graphics on the side are just a sticker, so if you don't like them, you can peel them off. Remember the lightweight E36 M3 with that checkered flag sticker behind the headlight? It's kind of the same thing... - Anthony |
Thanks for clearing some of this up, but lets get to the bottom line - if VW follows form over function and releases this car with the current set up, they will screw themselves.
Think about the economy and the current financial situation. They would have to reverse their approach in this particular situation, they would need function over form in a case such as this. The only difference between a Street Cup TDI and a regular TDI are purely aesthetic.
If VW wants to make this work, make it mirror as close as possible to an equivalent of a "GTD". If we have to keep the engine, then do the following:
- Put a Highline CECM w/ Combi Instrument Cluster
- Put in Bi-Xenon Headlamps
- Put in Front Fogs
- Stitch the Plaid as originally planned
- Put on Huffs
Basically, make it the diesel equivalent of the GLI, even though you don't have the engine that you will really need. If this were a grand over the cost of a GLI it could still sell because of the fantastic mileage from the 2.0TDI.
Forget Thunderbunny and the Votex kit. Don't even call it a Street Cup Jetta. Call it a GLD and make it mirror a GLI as much as possible, only on a diesel platform! Someday, when the 170 BHP TDI can make its way to our shores, you will have a platform that is already set up and ready to go.
Modified by rdubtheislander at 8:06 PM 3-15-2009
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Posted by: patHURLEYdubs at 11:32 PM 3-15-2009
Bo-urns VW!!!
Post Title: Re: (iPinch)
Posted by: natural1 at 1:30 PM 3-16-2009
| Quote, originally posted by iPinch » |
In what world? both of those cars start at $33,600 |
Invoice on an 09 A3 starts at $26K...
Post Title: Re: (natural1)
Posted by: bcze1 at 1:35 PM 3-16-2009
| Quote, originally posted by natural1 » |
Invoice on an 09 A3 starts at $26K... |
And??? No one compared it to the A3.
Post Title: Re: (Foxtrot 3)
Posted by: motocaddy at 2:01 PM 3-16-2009
| Quote, originally posted by Foxtrot 3 » |
| Show me a GTD, with a 6 speed and 170hp, and we can have a nice conversation regarding monthly payments. |
Like i said earlier, I think this car would sell. The average buyer won't know about the 170hp option out there and will appreciate the sportiness of this car. I really think it needs the HID headlights though. Those are a huge improvement over the jetta/rabbit headlights.
Post Title: Re: (motocaddy)
Posted by: mrchill at 3:33 PM 3-16-2009
I certainly would look at this car in the showroom, but then I'd ask if the Cup TDI engine is available in a plainer wrapper? With a suspension package? With all wheel drive?
If an emission-legal 170hp engine isn't available, how about an option that knocks 300-600 pounds of options off a hot Jetta? For example, I can roll my own windows, and the sunroof isn't worth its weight, to me. The 18's would become 15's or 16's at the track...
-bluegraphite
Post Title: Re: (beansmoke)
Posted by: johnnloki at 12:11 AM 3-17-2009
| Quote, originally posted by beansmoke » |
| I agree with mrchill's view. I applaud VW's pitching performance diesel. I'm a weekend racer who appreciates performance cars, especially that can be driven to an event with 40-50 mpg! I certainly would look at this car in the showroom, but then I'd ask if the Cup TDI engine is available in a plainer wrapper? With a suspension package? With all wheel drive? If an emission-legal 170hp engine isn't available, how about an option that knocks 300-600 pounds of options off a hot Jetta? For example, I can roll my own windows, and the sunroof isn't worth its weight, to me. The 18's would become 15's or 16's at the track... |
Yup. Heated seats aren't a must, but an optional heated seat pad that fits the sport seats are (if you own a diesel and you experience anything close to a real winter, you certainly understand why).
Short Shifter with taller gearing for first and second than my 04 has
Clutch- something that'll be quiet but handle 330+ ft lbs.
Boost and EGT gauges
Oil and water temp gauges would be a nice cheaper touch
Suspension
Brakes (didn't I read that the TDI cup cars had R8 brakes? )
True sporty rims- SSR comps, Motegi Traklite, Oz ultras, whatever- but something legit. Wrap 'em in some Goodyear Eagle F1 GS D3s.
Gotta give the people who want performance something. No engine mods from the factory? Allright then- leave the EPA out of it, and prepare the flower bed for some big ol' daisies later on.
Post Title: Re: Would you buy a TDI CUP Street Edition Jetta? VW is looking for feedback... (Anthony@VMG)
Posted by: 99wolfsedition at 1:59 AM 3-17-2009
but no i would not buy one. for 25k i just bought a 09 jetta wolfsburg edition with the 2.0T and all the bells and whistle. i think if they do it should not carry a sticker of anymore then 23k. yeah you get all the GLI stuff but the lose of power, no, someone said above "should have atleast the power bump of the actual Cup cars, there is no reason they can't be. they would still receive great gas mileage and emissions. so yes they should put them on the U.s. streets, but give us the bang for buck, the factory can give us on these cars, but dont. 
My 2 cents
Modified by 99wolfsedition at 11:05 PM 3-16-2009
Post Title: Re: Would you buy a TDI CUP Street Edition Jetta? VW is looking for feedback... (Anthony@VMG)
Posted by: danadeny at 8:39 AM 3-17-2009
| Quote, originally posted by 99wolfsedition » |
| yeah you get all the GLI stuff but the lose of power, no, someone said above "should have atleast the power bump of the actual Cup cars, there is no reason they can't be. |
As stated above the reason why they 'can't' or 'won't' bring the higher HP TDI is due to costs to get it emission certified.
Post Title: Re: Would you buy a TDI CUP Street Edition Jetta? VW is looking for feedback... (bcze1)
Posted by: bagged bunny at 11:39 AM 3-17-2009
I had a 2000 jetta tdi that was chipped and other crap like exhaust and i loved it. I wish i didnt sell it.
I would take the car and put my fks from my rabbit and chip it. It would be a fun car to drive.
Post Title: Re: (motocaddy)
Posted by: mrchill at 7:50 PM 3-17-2009
| Quote, originally posted by bcze1 » |
As stated above the reason why they 'can't' or 'won't' bring the higher HP TDI is due to costs to get it emission certified. |
Exactly, it would be very expensive to release the 170hp TDI. Spread that cost over a limited edition special model, and the price goes up to much to even consider.
The idea behind this car seems to be to use the momentum of the TDI race series and bring a "similar" car to the streets. A GLI with this equipment would be much more than this car.
Post Title: Re: Would you buy a TDI CUP Street Edition Jetta? VW is looking for feedback... (andres16V)
Posted by: maloosheck at 10:01 PM 3-17-2009
| Quote, originally posted by andres16V » |
| Exactly, it would be very expensive to release the 170hp TDI. Spread that cost over a limited edition special model, and the price goes up to much to even consider. |
Well, they eventually have to release 170 or 205hp TDI anyway, if they want to sell Tiguan or A4 with some decent TDI engine. Putting a 140hp in A4 is a joke.
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Posted by: trecoolx at 10:03 PM 3-17-2009
| Quote, originally posted by mrchill » |
| I saw that car at the SEMA show. Nice looking car...no power. I asked the staff at the stand if it had an increase in power. Some said yes, some said they would be APR tuned(really...they said that) and others said it doesnt matter because people will buy it "cause it looks cool". I didnt make that up. Why not make a true sports version...or better yet, use ones you have. GtTdi...Bora R....you have those. Higher output engines...6 speeds....all wheel drive... This is what Subaru and Mitsubishi have made their living on. VW is FAR larger than them...but the VW marketing team is in la la land. They have dropped the ball so continuously it is a bar joke. Think of it this way, why would I...a life time VW guy....and a DIESEL guy, buy a "sports" edition VW Tdi with stock output? Especially when I can run rings around that car in my Mk3 Tdi? ANd my Mk4? No contest. Some will not choose to modify as I have...so why not have a factory UPGRADE instead of forcing people to risk warranties to get added power. Does anyone buy an SS series Chevrolet with stock output? How about a stock output Nismo series Nissan? Or a stock output AMG Mercedes? A stock Dinan BMW? How about a stock output Ford SVO? A stock Spoon edition Honda? Seriously. If you want to sell something...how about a Polo or Lupo as was previously mentioned? People are clammering for these cars! Why leave the whole mini car market to Toyota, Nissan, Honda, BMW and for heaven sake....Smart(or as I call them...not so smarts). They dont even have reasonable mileage! And no excuses like "they would cost too much to import" like I have had VW marketing tell me. These small VW are made in South America....not very far to ship I'd say. Sell what people WANT...not what YOU want to sell THEM. Like...a true sports version of the Tdi....and super economy cars like the Polo and Lupo. When I was out of the country...I marveled at the power and mileage of the petrol versions of the Lupo.... and the Diesels are better! Stop making the same mistakes over and over again. Look at this thread alone.... more comments on small cars than fast ones.... look around the streets of this country. All those small cars..... hmmmm....
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Well said, and I agree.
Post Title: Re: (lonepatrone)
Posted by: 99wolfsedition at 3:52 AM 3-18-2009
| Quote, originally posted by silverA4quattro » |
| I'd buy it if the power was uprated, say to 170 bhp like tdi cup cars. And a corresponding torque bump. Basically a "GLD". I like the idea, but for that price I'd want more power than a standard TDI. |
Post Title: Re: Would you buy a TDI CUP Street Edition Jetta? VW is looking for feedback... (Anthony@VMG)
Posted by: Special_ED at 3:54 PM 3-23-2009
| Quote, originally posted by Anthony@VMG » |
| This is funny because we have three pages of people saying no, but in the poll, the yes guys are kicking ass. So where are all you yes people? Also, power wouldn't be bumped - I asked about it and it's not possible without redoing all the emission certifications. So the 140hp would stay, you'd have to turn to the aftermarket to increase your power. Let's price this out: A GLI starts at $24,770. Adding a set of the cheapest 18" wheels is $750 (The Vision V wheels are $2300, which are what's on the TDI Cup Street Edition). That brings you to $25,520. Then add the ground effects kit and you're up another $1,699 to $27,219. If you add on the same wheels that the TDI CUP Street Edition gets, and not just the cheapest 18" wheels, then total price is $28,760. That doesn't have the thunderbunny front, either. Take into account that the TDI Cup Street Edition will be *under* $28,000 (and I don't mean $27,999), then it's starting to look like a good deal. Yeah? And the graphics on the side are just a sticker, so if you don't like them, you can peel them off. Remember the lightweight E36 M3 with that checkered flag sticker behind the headlight? It's kind of the same thing... - Anthony |
i love this car. i wanted a sporty golf with a tdi so bad. it's nice to see so many tdis in nova scotia, where i live now. i would take the cheaper 18" wheels, because i am big on price points. i really like the bumper, but i think it would look better on a car with hatch/wagon lines. i wish i could afford it... till then, i am still looking for a 3dr tdi to swap my interior and such into.
Post Title: Re: Would you buy a TDI CUP Street Edition Jetta? VW is looking for feedback... (Anthony@VMG)
Posted by: avidgolfer at 5:11 AM 3-29-2009
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