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Post Title: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec
Posted by: vrsik at 6:41 PM 3-12-2003

Here are some pics of a 337 we just finished installing a tt225 Ko4 kit with all the 225 accesories.





Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (vrsik)
Posted by: Gateway at 6:46 PM 3-12-2003



How much did everything come out to? Including labor?



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (Gateway337CT)
Posted by: Grinch337 at 6:51 PM 3-12-2003

Wow, very impressive. What else have you done to the car? Are you going to dyno the car anytime soon?



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (Grinch337)
Posted by: vrsik at 7:00 PM 3-12-2003

quote:
Wow, very impressive. What else have you done to the car? Are you going to dyno the car anytime soon?

He's running a custom Neuspeed chip (soon to be changed). We will dyno the car pretty soon on a Dynapack. i'll keep you guys posted.



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (vrsik)
Posted by: Pap337 at 7:01 PM 3-12-2003



Hit the carwash, hehe j/k, nice setup.



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (vrsik)
Posted by: doog at 7:53 PM 3-12-2003

Wow. Intercoolerhugitous! Do the black inserts go back in the lower bumper?



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (vrsik)
Posted by: Mr Spucial at 8:55 PM 3-12-2003

I'm guessing the turbo on the right in the last pick is the stock 1.8t Turbo? And I noticed no intake? Any reason y? would love to pull up next to that thing & hear the hiss roooooolll



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (Mr Spucial)
Posted by: vrsik at 9:09 PM 3-12-2003

quote:
I'm guessing the turbo on the right in the last pick is the stock 1.8t Turbo? And I noticed no intake? Any reason y? would love to pull up next to that thing & hear the hiss roooooolll

You got it!

There is an intake, It's a foam one and it's black, so you can't really see it.

[Modified by vrsik, 9:20 PM 3-12-2003]



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (vrsik)
Posted by: NOVA337 at 9:19 PM 3-12-2003



Besides the Ko4 turbo from tt225, what other parts were needed? can you give us a complete list of all parts that you used? were they all (stock) dealership part #s? Please give us a list of parts and expense if you can?



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (NOVA337)
Posted by: vrsik at 9:22 PM 3-12-2003

Turbo K04-06 (the good one)
225 manifold
All the intercooler piping
225 downpipe
and hardware.

They are all available at the dealership. Price, Retail, it would cost you about 3000-4000$.



[Modified by vrsik, 9:24 PM 3-12-2003]



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (vrsik)
Posted by: new 337 at 9:27 PM 3-12-2003



So you basically have a K04 setup, the good one, but for that much money? 3-4K canadian, still alot of bones. I hope you got discounted hook ups. Nice to see something different, but that much just for a turbo upgrade...



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (new 337)
Posted by: vrsik at 9:30 PM 3-12-2003

It may sound like alot, but i'm sure it will push out numbers similar to the APR Stage 3. the cool thing is that we used all oem VW parts (except part of the piping for the front mount) We will find out the numbers in about 2 weeks. I'll keep you guys posted.



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (new 337)
Posted by: NOVA337 at 9:31 PM 3-12-2003

Unless you know where to find a wrecked tt225, I guess it would be more cost effective to go with stage III? however, I suppose the tt setup would be more reliable with less power.



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (NOVA337)
Posted by: vrsik at 9:39 PM 3-12-2003

Btw...i meant 3-4000 Canadian (sorry)



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (vrsik)
Posted by: 337`drew at 10:15 PM 3-12-2003

will this be an avaliable kit or was this just a custom job?



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (337`drew)
Posted by: dcomiskey at 10:56 PM 3-12-2003

Ya had to go and ruin it with an upper stress bar, didn't ya?



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (337`drew)
Posted by: vrsik at 11:18 PM 3-12-2003

quote:
will this be an avaliable kit or was this just a custom job?

If people are seriously interested, I'm sure that we could work something out.

[Modified by vrsik, 11:18 PM 3-12-2003]



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (vrsik)
Posted by: 337`drew at 2:40 AM 3-13-2003



lets see some numbers i like the oem idea



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (337`drew)
Posted by: fozzy at 9:27 AM 3-13-2003

Hey you need to put one more thing on your car,
soap and water!
Good job install look good.

Jerry



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (fozzy)
Posted by: teqeeler at 4:26 PM 3-13-2003



Im seriously digging this project!
i think you could get enough people interested in this setup after you post some numbers.
$3000-$4000 candadia whats that like $2000-$3000 us dollars?



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (teqeeler)
Posted by: rexxmann at 1:04 AM 3-14-2003

Is that FMIC an OEM piece?



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (vrsik)
Posted by: Grand Admiral Thrawn at 4:17 AM 3-14-2003

quote:
Turbo K04-06 (the good one)
225 manifold
All the intercooler piping
225 downpipe
and hardware.

They are all available at the dealership. Price, Retail, it would cost you about 3000-4000$.
[Modified by vrsik, 9:24 PM 3-12-2003]


Besides the forged internals, the exhaust cam is also different. It has a longer duration. My buddy installed a 225TT exhaust cam on his 1.8t A4 and allowed the car to pull all the way to redline. However, there was a little loss down low, but freeway driving was insane!!!

Woohoo!!! I want that setup badly!!! Well done...
Oh yeah, did you also change the intake plumbing and the MAF? The 225TT has a 3" intake iirc...


[Modified by Grand Admiral Thrawn, 1:19 AM 3-14-2003]



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (vrsik)
Posted by: Blacktop at 6:08 AM 3-14-2003



quote:
It may sound like alot, but i'm sure it will push out numbers similar to the APR Stage 3. the cool thing is that we used all oem VW parts (except part of the piping for the front mount) We will find out the numbers in about 2 weeks. I'll keep you guys posted.

Do you really think it will push out numbers similar to APR stage III with a ko4?



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (Blacktop)
Posted by: 337`drew at 10:05 AM 3-14-2003



straight from APR's website. these are the crank figures for a chipped 225.
Chipped 91 Octane 257hp/264lb-ft
Chipped 93 Octane 263hp/267lb-ft




Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (337`drew)
Posted by: new 337 at 12:30 PM 3-14-2003

Yeah, but there are larger injectors, larger MAF, different compression ratio, there is a difference between the 225 1.8t and ours

I'll take that bet that says it is going to be close to APR Stg3 numbers, no way. All he did is bolt on the K04, add a FMIC, and the manifold. Nice setup, but I guess we will see how much hp this gets for 3-4k canadian...



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (new 337)
Posted by: 337`drew at 1:19 PM 3-14-2003



oh. i was guessing he put the larger injectors in.



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (337`drew)
Posted by: vrsik at 3:29 PM 3-14-2003

It's running higher compression which means more power than the stock 225. So let's say 235 + his chip...should be about 280-290.

There's no point disputing it, in a couple weeks i will have dyno results of another Golf with an AWP and this exact same kit. Injectors, larger MAF, FMIC, 225 computer, the WHOLE KIT!

Either way....the 337 pulls very hard. I've never been in a stage 3'ed car but I'm sure it is close according to the numbers APR claims.

If all goes well, this kit will be available to the public. All OEM VW parts. It's the best way to go. Proven and tested by VW over and over again. We all know a 1.8t can easily handle 300+ hp, so it's pretty much fool proof.



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (vrsik)
Posted by: JacoVw4 at 5:19 PM 3-14-2003



There's no point disputing it, in a couple weeks i will have dyno results of another Golf with an AWP and this exact same kit. Injectors, larger MAF, FMIC, 225 computer, the WHOLE KIT!





Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (vrsik)
Posted by: Grinch337 at 5:39 PM 3-14-2003



quote:
It's running higher compression which means more power than the stock 225. So let's say 235 + his chip...should be about 280-290.

There's no point disputing it, in a couple weeks i will have dyno results of another Golf with an AWP and this exact same kit. Injectors, larger MAF, FMIC, 225 computer, the WHOLE KIT!

Either way....the 337 pulls very hard. I've never been in a stage 3'ed car but I'm sure it is close according to the numbers APR claims.

If all goes well, this kit will be available to the public. All OEM VW parts. It's the best way to go. Proven and tested by VW over and over again. We all know a 1.8t can easily handle 300+ hp, so it's pretty much fool proof.


I have a puddle of drool in front of me now.



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (vrsik)
Posted by: jay_vw at 5:44 PM 3-14-2003



I'm liken what I se so far. Can't wait for the numbers



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (jay_vw)
Posted by: milo at 5:21 AM 3-15-2003

Very nice and clean setup, but dam did you guys take the poor little 337 off roading! LOL, he, he. I can't wait for the dyno numbers. By the way whats the size of the intercooler and did you have to cut and trim to make it fit? Peace



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (vrsik)
Posted by: volksdubber at 4:51 PM 3-15-2003

Gotta love Montreal in the winter!




Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (volksdubber)
Posted by: JacoVw4 at 6:47 PM 3-15-2003

in montreal we consider this a clean car in winter .



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (JacoVw4)
Posted by: poopy at 4:49 AM 3-16-2003

are you able to use cai's with fmic's? doesn't look like you're able to...



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (vrsik)
Posted by: DrvrFnd89 at 7:15 AM 3-16-2003

Nive work...what kind of intercooler is that?



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (DrvrFnd89)
Posted by: vrsik at 12:07 PM 3-16-2003

It's a custom piece. We sell them installed for 1700$ CAD. (about 1100$ usd)



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (vrsik)
Posted by: volksdubber at 11:59 PM 3-19-2003

Ok let's get some numbers!

I might be interested!



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (vrsik)
Posted by: milo at 4:22 PM 3-20-2003



quote:
It's a custom piece. We sell them installed for 1700$ CAD. (about 1100$ usd)

Is that for the FMIC kit(TT manifold, intercooler pipes, intercooler)? Thanks



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (milo)
Posted by: vrsik at 9:15 PM 3-20-2003



quote:
It's a custom piece. We sell them installed for 1700$ CAD. (about 1100$ usd)

Is that for the FMIC kit(TT manifold, intercooler pipes, intercooler)? Thanks


Yes, but without the manifold. That price is for a normal 1.8t intercooler kit. On a 225...it would be about 1600$ cad since we would use some of the stock piping.



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (vrsik)
Posted by: MQ350 at 12:13 AM 4-27-2003



Any update on the dyno???



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (MQ350)
Posted by: volksdubber at 11:56 AM 4-27-2003

Quote, originally posted by MQ350 »
Any update on the dyno???

Yeah??!?!



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (volksdubber)
Posted by: GammaRay27 at 2:23 AM 4-29-2003



Quote, originally posted by volksdubber »

Yeah??!?!

hahaha.. maybe it wasnt as high as expected





Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (GammaRay27)
Posted by: whodeani at 2:52 AM 4-29-2003



Numbers talk and you all know what walk's Bullsh**... hope those numbers come out soon...



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (whodeani)
Posted by: RonN at 4:59 PM 4-29-2003

We promise not to let this one die

BUMP for some numbers



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (RonN)
Posted by: Liathhil at 9:38 PM 4-29-2003



Bump

I wanted to do this to my car!
Want more numbers and info...



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (Liathhil)
Posted by: turbo337 at 10:13 PM 4-30-2003



yea!!!!!watz the DYNO on the Gti 337---TT225 Spec....

______
337: K&N...BaileyDV30



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (turbo337)
Posted by: RonN at 11:53 PM 4-30-2003



Quote, originally posted by turbo337 »
yea!!!!!watz the DYNO on the Gti 337---TT225 Spec....

I dunno but I'm starting to see cobwebs around here



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (RonN)
Posted by: volksdubber at 12:08 AM 5-1-2003



VRSIK!

You are getting attacked... Go down to Giroux Perf and put it on the Dyno

We want NUM-BERS!!!

We want NUM-BERS!!!

We want NUM-BERS!!!

We want NUM-BERS!!!

We want NUM-BERS!!!





Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (volksdubber)
Posted by: chisai88 at 4:07 PM 5-1-2003



bump numbers



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (chisai88)
Posted by: MQ350 at 6:15 PM 5-1-2003

Still waiting



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (vrsik)
Posted by: JaKePlaZma at 8:46 PM 5-1-2003



uuuuuhhhhhhh.... whatever happened 2 the #'s?



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (DrvrFnd89)
Posted by: vrsik at 1:02 PM 5-2-2003

Thanks it's a custom intercooler that we built here at L-Sport.



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (vrsik)
Posted by: vrsik at 1:04 PM 5-2-2003

No numbers yet. We will have about 3 kits available soon as well. Please be patient...it's coming.



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (vrsik)
Posted by: new 337 at 1:24 PM 5-2-2003

Quote, originally posted by vrsik »
...but i'm sure it will push out numbers similar to the APR Stage 3. the cool thing is that we used all oem VW parts (except part of the piping for the front mount) We will find out the numbers in about 2 weeks. I'll keep you guys posted.

This was posted March 12. If it is making as much power as an APR Stg 3, and there were 3 kits installed, then you would have dyno's available. Kinda strange that there isnt any available, as you would want to monitor A/F ratios and EGT's when going to an entirely different setup, it may be OEM but not for a GTI.

Like I said before, I think this is pretty cool. But the claim that it will get to APR Stg3 numbers, and over 6 weeks later no dyno, I am calling BS. I dont even know if I would believe the dyno if you posted one. Who cares what I think, I dont!



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (new 337)
Posted by: vrsik at 4:51 PM 5-2-2003



In montreal there is but 2 dynos. One of which is garbage and the other which is far. We own a Dynapack dyno but it is in storage till our building is finished. I'm sorry for the wait. About the eGT's etc. There is no tuning to do. It is running an upsolute chip.



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (vrsik)
Posted by: new 337 at 5:19 PM 5-2-2003

Get that thing out of storage!





Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (new 337)
Posted by: JacoVw4 at 6:40 PM 5-2-2003



You wont be decepointed with the numbers that i can guarantee.

A professional company wont post numbers that are not true.





Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (new 337)
Posted by: MQ350 at 6:44 PM 5-2-2003



We are not patient in the US, we wanna see results.



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (JacoVw4)
Posted by: new 337 at 7:34 PM 5-2-2003

Quote, originally posted by JacoVw4 »
You wont be decepointed with the numbers that i can guarantee.

A professional company wont post numbers that are not true.

A professional company would also use the spellcheck button, disappointed.



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (new 337)
Posted by: MEISTER at 11:54 PM 5-2-2003



Gotta give a bump for numbers too..... What's it been like 3 weeks? Is the dyno in town only open in the summer up there

Modified by MEISTER at 8:55 PM 5-2-2003



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (vrsik)
Posted by: Wheel Man VW at 5:10 AM 5-3-2003

NICE!



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (new 337)
Posted by: MQ350 at 10:10 AM 5-3-2003

Quote, originally posted by new 337 »

A professional company would also use the spellcheck button, disappointed.

stop it, man

These are french-speaking canadians, english is not their primary language.

--------------------------------

Bonjour a tous les Canadiens dans ce forum....



Post Title:
Posted by: 337NYER at 10:10 AM 5-3-2003



i like it dirty, shows where the real effort is being concentrated, kinda looks like mine right now



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (MQ350)
Posted by: RonN at 9:34 PM 5-3-2003

Quote, originally posted by MQ350 »

stop it, man

These are french-speaking canadians, english is not their primary language.

--------------------------------

Bonjour a tous les Canadiens dans ce forum....

AMEN



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (RonN)
Posted by: MQ350 at 9:12 PM 5-5-2003



ttt



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (MQ350)
Posted by: Mk2Scirocco16v at 10:42 PM 5-5-2003

gotta keep this one alive!^^^



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (Mk2Scirocco16v)
Posted by: cburkart at 4:01 PM 5-9-2003

I'm curious to hear about this too, skeptical but curious, so a bump to the top...



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (vrsik)
Posted by: whodeani at 9:05 PM 5-9-2003

So Vrsik...

Is this a kit from a shop... Or did you manage to find out all the OEM parts from the TT 225.. and then apply them to your 337?

If this is all you.. then would you be willing to post All the part #'s so that some of us can put this kit together...

Let me know if I'm asking for classified information...

Thanks... I just ran be the dealer today after work to see how much the stock IC's were for the TT 225hp.. the were $230'ish for one side and $350'ish for the other side.. Dealers price.. I asked if they would be willing to compete with ECS's prices on there OEM kit.. they said as long as it wasn't too close to their invoice price.. sice they have to make some money.. They wouldn't say what their invoice price was...



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (whodeani)
Posted by: MQ350 at 11:44 PM 5-10-2003



bumpitycracy



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (MQ350)
Posted by: ShangaiSilver at 10:08 AM 5-11-2003

bump



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (vrsik)
Posted by: velocidub at 6:00 PM 5-11-2003

Poor 337



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (velocidub)
Posted by: MQ350 at 1:23 AM 5-17-2003

anything yet.....



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (MQ350)
Posted by: JaKePlaZma at 10:40 PM 6-18-2003

Wow! This thread just died... and we didn't even get to see the #'s .



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (JaKePlaZma)
Posted by: NOVA337 at 11:01 PM 6-18-2003

I'll kick start this thread. forget about that 225 kit. you can get a ko4 turbo kit upgrade from many suppliers. I like the O.CT kit with new injectors and ko4, 230hp and 260tq. better than 225 kit and cheaper. volksdraggins gota kit too only 1800 bucks for over 230 hp. the only thing the 225 kit gives you is the new manifold, big deal you dont need it. save some cash and go with one if these prefab kits with ko4. Adb racing has one too. thats 3 right there. all with good product support and trouble shoot help.
and of course the stage III gives you the most power with garret turbo upgrage, but is costly, it would be sweet and all, but I dont need stage III power, I think one if these ko4s upgrades is nice!

Modified by NOVA337 at 8:03 PM 6-18-2003



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (NOVA337)
Posted by: Geo at 11:15 PM 6-18-2003

cool...can't wait to see the nunmbers!


Modified by Geo at 8:17 PM 6-18-2003



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (Blacktop)
Posted by: saceone at 11:28 PM 6-18-2003

good work karim



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (JaKePlaZma)
Posted by: MQ350 at 12:33 AM 6-19-2003

Quote, originally posted by JaKePlaZma »
Wow! This thread just died... and we didn't even get to see the #'s .

no new news mean bad news



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (DrvrFnd89)
Posted by: icuravwnut2 at 7:04 AM 6-19-2003



Do you know what little difference there is between a KO3Sport and a KO4? For 3-4grand thats money thrown away!!!
For 2K US you could have got a T28 system with about 260hp!!!!!!
Oh well,
Hope you enjoy it!



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (icuravwnut2)
Posted by: volksdubber at 9:47 AM 6-19-2003

Quote, originally posted by icuravwnut2 »
Do you know what little difference there is between a KO3Sport and a KO4? For 3-4grand thats money thrown away!!!
For 2K US you could have got a T28 system with about 260hp!!!!!!
Oh well,
Hope you enjoy it!

the K04 from the TT 225 is bigger than the K04 that they sell for our motor...

a chipped 225 gets about 260hp.... with a k04 and a lower compression



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (volksdubber)
Posted by: IwantaRs4 at 10:03 AM 6-19-2003



How can a K04 be bigger than another K04 Its the same thing, the internals may be different but its the same size.

I really want to see dyno numbers because I doubt they will be no where near an APR stage III kit...... Just my opionion

Modified by IwantaRs4 at 7:04 AM 6-19-2003



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (IwantaRs4)
Posted by: VDUBNDizzy at 10:23 AM 6-19-2003



There are many different varieties of K04's. Scroll down to the K04 parade. http://www.mjmturbos.com/CarTurboDescription.html

And what happened to the numbers?



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (VDUBNDizzy)
Posted by: DarkSideGTI at 10:40 AM 6-19-2003



You guys do realize the KO4 is a tiny tiny turbo don't you?

And I have heard bad things about MJMTurbos so be careful.



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (Jedi801)
Posted by: VDUBNDizzy at 10:52 AM 6-19-2003



You do realize that the TT225 K04 is much bigger than the K04-01 that Neuspeed, AWE, and everyone else offers us transverse guys? And no I wouldn't buy from MJM, just using it as reference.



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (VDUBNDizzy)
Posted by: DarkSideGTI at 10:55 AM 6-19-2003

yeah but it is still a small turbo. I guess my perception on turbo's has changed since I saw my friends HKS turbo on his Supra. My little KO3 could easily fit inside that thing.



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (Jedi801)
Posted by: joedubbin at 2:32 PM 6-19-2003

1.8 liter engine = small turbo!



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (joedubbin)
Posted by: DarkSideGTI at 3:51 PM 6-19-2003

Just because we have 1.8 liter engines doesen't mean we have to use small turbo's. It's just that most 1.8t drivers are scared of turbo lag. I am going to try to find a way to use a Forced Performance Big 28 turbo.



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (Jedi801)
Posted by: NOVA337 at 5:32 PM 6-19-2003

Quote, originally posted by Jedi801 »
Just because we have 1.8 liter engines doesen't mean we have to use small turbo's. It's just that most 1.8t drivers are scared of turbo lag. I am going to try to find a way to use a Forced Performance Big 28 turbo.

APR's stage III is about the most power your gonna get out of your 1.8t before you would need to do internal mods. You cant just throw a huge turbo on the 1.8t and expect it to crank out big power. you really need a well thought out kit w/ injectors, manifold, plumbing, oil lines, intercoolers, etc. any more than 300hp outa the 1.8t and you would need to spend a whole lot upgrading the internals, bottom end and top end, pistons, rods, porting, etc..that kinda stuff. you cant just throw on a huge turbo and call it a day. anything bigger than the stage III garret set up and you will start to have reliability and cost issues. the mq350 tranny is only rated at 260 ft lbs of tq anyway. there are a lot of things to consider when upgrading the turbo. I only want a minor but effective upgrade.



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (NOVA337)
Posted by: DarkSideGTI at 5:50 PM 6-19-2003



I know. And I plan on building the motor. Billy once said that he thought the motor was good for 400 HP on stock internals. I'm not sure how long it would last though.

Hell maybe I should just get a civic hatch. Dubs aren't very good drag cars anyway.



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (Jedi801)
Posted by: NOVA337 at 5:59 PM 6-19-2003



Quote, originally posted by Jedi801 »
I know. And I plan on building the motor. Billy once said that he thought the motor was good for 400 HP on stock internals. I'm not sure how long it would last though.

Hell maybe I should just get a civic hatch. Dubs aren't very good drag cars anyway.

HAHA, thats true! or maybe a used F-body. 93-97 Z28 could be built to runs 11s fairly cheap! heck 12s with a 150 shot! for 400 bucks!



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (NOVA337)
Posted by: DarkSideGTI at 6:07 PM 6-19-2003



I've never been into Honda's until I saw a couple of Hatch's running high 10's at my local track. I would only have one to drag though, the rest of the week I would hate it.

Who would guess this car ran a 10.8

this one ran an 11.0





Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (Jedi801)
Posted by: Red Pocket Rocket at 3:29 PM 6-24-2003



Quote, originally posted by Jedi801 »
Just because we have 1.8 liter engines doesen't mean we have to use small turbo's. It's just that most 1.8t drivers are scared of turbo lag. I am going to try to find a way to use a Forced Performance Big 28 turbo.

no?



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (Red Pocket Rocket)
Posted by: JacoVw4 at 11:18 AM 8-18-2003



how about 240WHP / 264WTQ and there is still room for improvement



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (JacoVw4)
Posted by: RonN at 12:38 PM 8-18-2003

Quote, originally posted by JacoVw4 »
how about 240WHP / 264WTQ and there is still room for improvement

Very nice numbers!



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (vrsik)
Posted by: Grogthefrog at 1:03 PM 8-18-2003



how are those numbers coming along?

and how's that soap coming along?



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (JacoVw4)
Posted by: new 337 at 2:29 PM 8-18-2003



Quote, originally posted by JacoVw4 »
how about 240WHP / 264WTQ and there is still room for improvement

Since you are in Montreal, is this the kit? Is this the numbers that people have been waiting for? If so, not too shabby, ! Post your dyno.

If this isnt the kit-
Which K04? These numbers arent that achievable on the transverse K04. If this is on the TT225 K04 then I can somewhat believe it. But not without fuel upgrades. If this is on stock injectors and stock fuel pump, I dont believe it. Post up your mods, and your dyno.





Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (vrsik)
Posted by: dubsac at 2:41 PM 8-18-2003



for some reason i cant see the pics you posted. are they jpegs?



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (JacoVw4)
Posted by: jhirsche at 9:54 PM 8-18-2003

Quote, originally posted by JacoVw4 »
how about 240WHP / 264WTQ and there is still room for improvement


Hah! Those are Canadian #'s (like Canadian money.) Numbers are higher than there corresponding US values....
(sorry, I just had to!)



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (jhirsche)
Posted by: JacoVw4 at 10:57 AM 8-19-2003



Guys these are the real numbers from the TT225 KIT i will post the dyno soon. Like i said its not over yet.




Post Title:
Posted by: Eric24v at 11:21 AM 8-19-2003

lookin good, just need a car wash



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (JacoVw4)
Posted by: Agent 337 at 11:40 AM 8-19-2003

Let me get something straight...

I have APR 93.

I buy your kit, Turbo, Manifold, etc...TT225 spec

On a stock 337 I'd push about 240/264, but I already bought APR 93...hmmm...

I then go to my programmer, upload the TT225 software (FREE, because I still retain my same slots-paying only for the labor), and shizzzam! Stage 3 numbers.

Does this sound about right? I'm drooling. We need an emoticon for drooling!!!!!

This kit would be all I need, all for about $2,000.00 USD?

Couldn't we just buy the key pieces from a discount VW parts online retailer? Could we get this even cheaper, buy bundling it and doing a groupbuy from online retailer???



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (JacoVw4)
Posted by: new 337 at 4:07 PM 8-19-2003



Quote, originally posted by JacoVw4 »
There's no point disputing it, in a couple weeks i will have dyno results of another Golf with an AWP and this exact same kit. Injectors, larger MAF, FMIC, 225 computer, the WHOLE KIT!

Someone do a price check...

Injectors, larger MAF, FMIC, 225 computer, the WHOLE KIT

TT225 injectors are about 100 each = 400
Can use the stock MAF, just in a larger VR6 housing : Housing = 15
TT225 K04 = 900 (??)
FMIC = 1000
TT225 ECU = 500 (??)
Associated Hardware = ???

This is from the guy who posted long ago, saying he was gonna get the "WHOLE KIT".

Looks a minimum of 3000 to me. Am I missing anything? Also, I am PRAYING you added a fuel pump, or you are in for an expensive surprise too. The TT225 fuel pump would be fine, and that is another 175 bux too.

Post the dyno. If you have it but cant post it, IM me and you can email me, I'd love to see this and I will post it up.

SO FAR:
$3000+
240whp, 260wheel torque

For me, $2000, 230whp, 250wheel torque. And if I add the same injectors/fuel pump/maf housing then I am looking at 260whp on pump.



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (new 337)
Posted by: whodeani at 4:46 PM 8-19-2003



I heard that the exhust valves are different.. they stay open longer or something like that so what I heard is that the top of the motor has to be switched to the TT225.. (Valves)

Now this is where I lack the knowledge.. the compretion ratio is also different. how would you change that.. to fit our 337?



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (whodeani)
Posted by: new 337 at 8:15 PM 8-19-2003



I think the exhaust cam is different. Also, the compression ratio is different. I think changing valves would be overkill. To change the compression ratio, what you would need is probably just the proper headgasket for the TT225. I wouldnt do that either, overkill.

Personally, I dont think we would need to change anything inside the engine to get this to work. If you have the 225 software, 225 injectors, 225 maf housing, then regardless of turbo difference it is going to run. It will be low on power compared to the K04. This should work, and yes, it is all OEM like the advertisers, I mean people keep preaching about.

I do know username Gambit tried to do this, and had alot of issues to get it to work properly, so who really knows. I guess I dont see besides the glorious OEM stamp, how this is better for well over 3K, then say an ATP Gen2 setup for under 2K and you are only down 10whp, 10torque. I mean, throw on the Front mount IC like these people did, and it is gonna be close, with still alot more room for improvement using a better turbo then the K04.

But, I still want to see these numbers.

There is a rumor that this should work, but I think you are going to get some DTC's because there are different things on the Audi then on our cars, remember we have sensors for everything. If the gas tank is a different size (which it is) expect a code to pop up. Performance wise it should be negligible, but, until someone does it, I am eager to see what will really happen.



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (new 337)
Posted by: whodeani at 8:33 PM 8-19-2003



I would really like to see this kit work like many others.. it's almost like too good to be true!

Yes the fact that it would be OEM weighs alot more on me. ATP has not shown it's self to be reliable in my eyes.. I have their 3" DP, 3" cat.. I've gone through 3 different flanges. The last one I had to take to a muffler shop to have them beef up the wields, to prevent it from cracking!

Among other things out there.. that ATP has.. I guess at this point ATP is probably more reliable.. but if this 225 TT set up shows good signs of reliability... then I'm all for it.. if it does NOT excess $2500, then I'm a sold customer! There is a lot of if's still at this point for me..

I'm going to cross my fingers.



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (whodeani)
Posted by: whodeani at 2:08 PM 8-21-2003



bump



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (whodeani)
Posted by: vrsik at 5:21 PM 9-4-2003

Here are the sheets of a Golf with exactly the same setup. This is on a 4door golf with an awp engine. The only mods apart from original TT225 parts are a custom front mount intercooler, 3" turboback, Forge 007, Upsolute TT225 chip (on 225 ECU)





Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (vrsik)
Posted by: cburkart at 5:24 PM 9-4-2003



Quote, originally posted by vrsik »
This is on a 4door golf with an awp engine.

Was this an engine swap or something? In North America the 4-door Golf only came with AWD and AWW engines in 2000 and 2001.



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (cburkart)
Posted by: vrsik at 7:53 PM 9-4-2003



Quote, originally posted by cburkart »

Was this an engine swap or something? In North America the 4-door Golf only came with AWD and AWW engines in 2000 and 2001.

Yes.. the car was originally a 2.0.



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (vrsik)
Posted by: cburkart at 8:23 PM 9-4-2003



Wow, cool. So is this kit going to be marketed someday?



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (IwantaRs4)
Posted by: 2boosted at 11:20 PM 9-4-2003

Quote, originally posted by IwantaRs4 »
How can a K04 be bigger than another K04 Its the same thing, the internals may be different but its the same size.

I really want to see dyno numbers because I doubt they will be no where near an APR stage III kit...... Just my opionion


Modified by IwantaRs4 at 7:04 AM 6-19-2003

if you want an rs4 , you should read up on them, they actually have a version of a ko4, which is different than the tt225 ko4's and the ko4 for our car.

do some research


thread starter, those numbers look pretty on target. nice work if yours comes out that close



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (whodeani)
Posted by: 2boosted at 11:29 PM 9-4-2003



225 ko4 turbo
oil/coolant lines
turbo manifold
Downpipe
software
injectors
maf housing
225 intake manifold
switch polarity on fuel relay

=

260wheel stock fuel pump, $2k
295-305wheel with fuel pump, programming, fmic. larger ko4.$3k



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (2boosted)
Posted by: Agent 337 at 8:19 AM 9-5-2003



Is this complete? This doesn't sound bad at all. Enough money saved for a LSD.

Who is going to package this and sell it, with a nice set of directions so I can do it myself?



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (2boosted)
Posted by: vrsik at 9:13 AM 9-5-2003



Quote, originally posted by 2boosted »


thread starter, those numbers look pretty on target. nice work if yours comes out that close

This is a car that we built. Using the same parts as the 337. It's just that the guy with the 337 live like3-4 hours from us, so it's hard to get him to come over here.



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (2boosted)
Posted by: IwantaRs4 at 9:47 AM 9-5-2003



Quote, originally posted by 2boosted »
if you want an rs4 , you should read up on them, they actually have a version of a ko4, which is different than the tt225 ko4's and the ko4 for our car.

do some research


thread starter, those numbers look pretty on target. nice work if yours comes out that close


2boosted are you speaking of the older version RS4 with the 2.7 Bi-turbo or the future Rs4 with the 4.2 Bi-turbo?
I have done enough research...I don't need to go down to the exact specs on the turbo size...381hp Quattro or 450 hp Quatro in an avant is all I need to know Cheers



I admit I made an ignorant quick statement before with the K04 size, I believed all K04's where the same HOUSING size with different internals, some more efficient than others, or larger diameter turbines.....I am probably mistaken on that point...but thats why we are all here right??? To learn and share knowledge




Modified by IwantaRs4 at 4:50 PM 9-5-2003



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (2boosted)
Posted by: IwantaRs4 at 9:47 AM 9-5-2003



it repeated my post sorry...

Modified by IwantaRs4 at 9:49 AM 9-5-2003



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (2boosted)
Posted by: IwantaRs4 at 9:48 AM 9-5-2003

it repeated my post sorry...

Modified by IwantaRs4 at 9:49 AM 9-5-2003



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (vrsik)
Posted by: mj6234 at 10:07 AM 9-5-2003

So the only way to get this to work is to swap the entire TT225 motor into your car? How did you get the TT ECM to work with the VW motor? I'm sure it is not as easy as unplugging the factory ECM and putting in the Audi one in, right?



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (mj6234)
Posted by: shaman427 at 10:37 AM 9-5-2003

Yeah i am curious as well. How did you get the ecm to work. IS IT REALLY PLUG AND PLAY?



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (mj6234)
Posted by: vrsik at 10:49 AM 9-5-2003

Quote, originally posted by mj6234 »
So the only way to get this to work is to swap the entire TT225 motor into your car? How did you get the TT ECM to work with the VW motor? I'm sure it is not as easy as unplugging the factory ECM and putting in the Audi one in, right?

Yes it's that easy. And the TT225 pushes almost 15psi stock.



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (vrsik)
Posted by: mj6234 at 11:14 AM 9-5-2003



Quote, originally posted by vrsik »

Yes it's that easy. And the TT225 pushes almost 15psi stock.

Wow, so the harness and sensors are all the same between the cars? What about the higher C/R on the non-225 cars? Anyone got a picture of the TT225 ECM? Why hasn't this been done before by the DIY guys?



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (IwantaRs4)
Posted by: SLVR6 at 12:53 PM 9-5-2003



Quote, originally posted by IwantaRs4 »
I admit I made an ignorant quick statement before with the K04 size, I believed all K04's where the same HOUSING size with different internals, some more efficient than others, or larger diameter turbines.....I am probably mistaken on that point...but thats why we are all here right???

The designation K04 on a 3K-Warner turbo means that the turbine or compressor wheel is 50mm in diameter. The designation can (and normally does) apply to ONLY the turbine or compressor so you can actually have a K03/K04 hybrid. When doing that the K03 is normally the turbine (45mm wheel=less moment of inertia=faster spool up) and the K04 is the compressor (bigger wheels=more flow capacity=more boost). There are also different "Trim" levels and "A/R" ratios for a given compressor or turbine size. The A/R is the Area Ratio of the volute to the wheel. The Trim is a different size housing. Got all that? Quiz in Monday!



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (SLVR6)
Posted by: IwantaRs4 at 2:16 PM 9-5-2003



Quote, originally posted by SLVR6 »

The designation K04 on a 3K-Warner turbo means that the turbine or compressor wheel is 50mm in diameter. The designation can (and normally does) apply to ONLY the turbine or compressor so you can actually have a K03/K04 hybrid. When doing that the K03 is normally the turbine (45mm wheel=less moment of inertia=faster spool up) and the K04 is the compressor (bigger wheels=more flow capacity=more boost). There are also different "Trim" levels and "A/R" ratios for a given compressor or turbine size. The A/R is the Area Ratio of the volute to the wheel. The Trim is a different size housing. Got all that? Quiz in Monday!

Can you draw me a diagram with crayons



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (vrsik)
Posted by: JaKePlaZma at 2:47 PM 9-5-2003



Quote, originally posted by vrsik »

Yes it's that easy. And the TT225 pushes almost 15psi stock.

Wait a minute... now i'm confused. So now you've done an engine swap to the TT225?



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (JaKePlaZma)
Posted by: Buttero J-Lo at 2:54 PM 9-5-2003







Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (JaKePlaZma)
Posted by: vrsik at 4:37 PM 9-5-2003

Quote, originally posted by JaKePlaZma »

Wait a minute... now i'm confused. So now you've done an engine swap to the TT225?

It's an AWP with all 225 parts.

I'm not sure if just the 225 ecu will work on a "normal" 1.8t, but it's worth a try.



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (vrsik)
Posted by: whodeani at 4:39 PM 9-5-2003



So how do we get this "kit"... is anyone willing to give all the partnumbers needed for this kit.

I would love to get this kit all OEM



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (whodeani)
Posted by: 2boosted at 8:24 PM 9-5-2003



Quote, originally posted by whodeani »
So how do we get this "kit"... is anyone willing to give all the partnumbers needed for this kit.

I would love to get this kit all OEM

this kit can be put together, its just the eprson i know has 3 projects that need to be completed. if a kit was sseriously produced and for low ball numbers sake, pushed 270 wheel, how many would be interested, and what about an FMIC upgrade at the same time?..

also i forgot so do i have to switch the ecu, or jsut switch to the tt225 program.



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (2boosted)
Posted by: 2boosted at 8:26 PM 9-5-2003



and o ya vrsik:

stock tt225 quattro cars are dynoing at 260hp with REVO only. imagine what your setup would do wih having the quattro lag, and having a bigger ko4, and better tuning@!



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (2boosted)
Posted by: mj6234 at 8:42 PM 9-5-2003



Quote, originally posted by 2boosted »
and o ya vrsik:

stock tt225 quattro cars are dynoing at 260hp with REVO only. imagine what your setup would do wih having the quattro lag, and having a bigger ko4, and better tuning@!

Maybe crank hp, not wheel. No way.



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (mj6234)
Posted by: 2boosted at 9:07 PM 9-5-2003



who said wheel?



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (2boosted)
Posted by: Harryhd at 11:08 PM 9-5-2003

Quote, originally posted by 2boosted »
the turbo im talking about has a real part number. and its alot bigger than astandard ko4.
like i said.... multiple TT quattros have hit the 250 mark with revo softwar only.

thats on a longitidual motor, and thats to ALL 4 WHEELS

so add in less loss from the transverse motor, and then add in less loss from the quattro. and it should be able to get alot more power that a tt with the ko4-***Q turbo.

the turbo im looking for has a "Q" in its part number, and it is not a modified rs4 motorpsort turbo, although simlar in size.





Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (2boosted)
Posted by: vrsik at 12:11 PM 9-6-2003

Quote, originally posted by 2boosted »
and o ya vrsik:

stock tt225 quattro cars are dynoing at 260hp with REVO only. imagine what your setup would do wih having the quattro lag, and having a bigger ko4, and better tuning@!

That sounds about right. I'd like to know what correction factor they are using. It's using the SAme k04 and Upsolute is a great program. I don't undertand what you mean. are you trying to put our setup down or what. Please explain. And btw...Dynapacks numbers are usually lower then any other dyno.

At the motor this 337 (and the 4 door) are putting down 280 hp and 309 lbft.



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (2boosted)
Posted by: whodeani at 8:34 PM 9-17-2003



I would be extreamly interested.. but at what price.. at $2K - $3K you could put me down 1st in line.. but once you start to push over 3K that is without the (FMIC) I start to turn my back away.. Hell if I had the money I would put it together myself but I don't have pockets that deep..





Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (vrsik)
Posted by: 2boosted at 12:07 AM 9-18-2003



Quote, originally posted by vrsik »

That sounds about right. I'd like to know what correction factor they are using. It's using the SAme k04 and Upsolute is a great program. I don't undertand what you mean. are you trying to put our setup down or what. Please explain. And btw...Dynapacks numbers are usually lower then any other dyno.

At the motor this 337 (and the 4 door) are putting down 280 hp and 309 lbft.

no way man not putting down your setup at all, im onyoru side in this one. alot of people dont understand that the quattros tt's have a turbo with a q part number. you guys obviously are believers of 300hp w/ ko4. i wasnt knocking upsolute in any way either. sounds like you guys are on track to get 300 wheel if you get everything working perfect.

o and btw, so is it a ko4-23Q that you have? if so where did you srouce it from



Post Title: Re: GTI 337 ---- TT225 Spec (2boosted)
Posted by: whodeani at 8:11 PM 10-1-2003



Any new info on this... I want it.. want it!! want it!! want it!!

Damn how hard it this..




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