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Post Title: Tell me about the Porsche 968
Posted by: mawingo at 4:21 PM 7-7-2003

My coworker has a mid 90's one.. but I really don't know much about it. Looks kinda like the 928 up front and a 944 in the rear



Post Title: Re: Tell me about the Porsche 968 (Hawkmoon)
Posted by: eightvalvejettacarat at 4:34 PM 7-7-2003

first model year was 92

my good friend at school has a 92, 4 cylinder, 6 speed manual, thing is a rocket, it was so fun to drive

there's a box under the engine compartment to put your work gloves which i thought was cool

he can take the glass roof off and store it in the trunk





Post Title: Re: Tell me about the Porsche 968 (Hawkmoon)
Posted by: AKADriver at 4:36 PM 7-7-2003



It is basically a smoothed-out 944.

The engine is a 3.0 4cyl, around 220hp and 200lb-ft. Performance envelope is comparable to an E36 M3, but IMO the 968 is more desirable...

They don't seem to have many problems.



Post Title: Re: Tell me about the Porsche 968 (AKADriver)
Posted by: Oliver@triplezoom at 4:45 PM 7-7-2003



Not very common either. They were built from '92 to '95. One of my favorite cars of all time. Too bad North America never got the turbo version, though.

Edit: Here's a nice '95 on ebay:

Only 50k miles.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...=6435

Modified by CanuckPal at 5:49 PM 7-7-2003



Post Title: Re: Tell me about the Porsche 968 (AKADriver)
Posted by: C_walsh at 4:50 PM 7-7-2003



The 968 is the finished product that started as the 924. It is the total evolution of that car. 3.0 liter 4 cylinder with a 6 speed. Very desireable. Pretty rare in the states. My favorite, the 968 CS:




Post Title: Re: Tell me about the Porsche 968 (CanuckPal)
Posted by: Kierf - ¿§? at 4:53 PM 7-7-2003

Quote, originally posted by CanuckPal »
Too bad North America never got the turbo version, though.

Not many people got the turbo version, if I recall. I believe 16 or so were made.



Post Title: Re: Tell me about the Porsche 968 (CanuckPal)
Posted by: Peloton25 at 5:09 PM 7-7-2003



Quote, originally posted by CanuckPal »
Here's a nice '95 on ebay:
Only 50k miles.

I see that one is sitting at ~$18,000 and the reserve price has not yet been met. What do they normally sell for? Also, what's the reliability record on these compared to say your average BMW or Audi?

>8^)
ER






Post Title: Re: Tell me about the Porsche 968 (Hawkmoon)
Posted by: Obin Robinson at 5:36 PM 7-7-2003



what you need to know:

they have the beefiest stump-pulling 3 litre 4 cylinder you could ever imagine.
the NA cars feel faster than turbo cars from other companies.
they handle like they're glued to the pavement.
the interior is just amazing.
they also feature the most addictive 6-speed tranny you could ever shift.
they're freaking gorgeous

obin



Post Title: Re: Tell me about the Porsche 968 (Hawkmoon)
Posted by: dolemite at 5:42 PM 7-7-2003



i know that 0-60s and 1/4 times are retarded for this car, and i would absolutely love to have a 968, but can anyone explain why those acceleration times were about the same as a Corrado VR6? I remember an article in road and track where they did a head to head comparo and the Corrado came out on top....



Post Title: Re: Tell me about the Porsche 968 (dolemite)
Posted by: Lupo TDI at 7:22 PM 7-7-2003

Obin:
is the 6-speed tranny of the 968 swappable on a 951? I somewhat started looking at some turbo's to change my Lupo...(imagine: the Porsche has more trunk than mine )



Post Title: Re: Tell me about the Porsche 968 (Lupo TDI)
Posted by: 3liter914-6 at 8:22 PM 7-7-2003

Quote, originally posted by Lupo TDI »
Obin:
is the 6-speed tranny of the 968 swappable on a 951? I somewhat started looking at some turbo's to change my Lupo...(imagine: the Porsche has more trunk than mine )

It has been done. There are a few parts different between the two cars (axles for one), but it's close enough that it's supposedly not too difficult a swap to go either way (951->968->951) However, the typical swap is into a 968 because, while the 6-spd is a fairly nice box (aside from stuff like the pinion bearing), it's no where near as strong as that put in the Turbo and would live a shortened life span behind even a stock 951 motor (and how many of those are there these days)




Post Title: Re: Tell me about the Porsche 968 (dolemite)
Posted by: 3liter914-6 at 8:33 PM 7-7-2003



Quote, originally posted by dolemite »
i know that 0-60s and 1/4 times are retarded for this car, and i would absolutely love to have a 968, but can anyone explain why those acceleration times were about the same as a Corrado VR6? I remember an article in road and track where they did a head to head comparo and the Corrado came out on top....

968 acceleration times retarded? I don't think so. Yeah, the corrado might have come close or matched it in one comparo, but generally most of the times I've seen for these cars is right around 6 flat 0-60 and mid 14's in the 1/4. Pretty close to what the E36 M3's pulled a few years later. It's a little bit heavier than the Corrado (~3100lbs) but with 240hp and RWD, in real life the 968 would stomp all over a Corrado.



Post Title: Re: Tell me about the Porsche 968 (dolemite)
Posted by: Oliver@triplezoom at 8:34 PM 7-7-2003



Quote, originally posted by dolemite »
i know that 0-60s and 1/4 times are retarded for this car, and i would absolutely love to have a 968, but can anyone explain why those acceleration times were about the same as a Corrado VR6? I remember an article in road and track where they did a head to head comparo and the Corrado came out on top....

You sure it was Road & Track? I remember an article like that in Automobile, but not in R&T.



Post Title: Re: Tell me about the Porsche 968 (3liter914-6)
Posted by: Aw614 at 8:37 PM 7-7-2003



Could have been a tipronic model. I really like the 968, as long as it isn't the convertible with tipronic.



Post Title: Re: Tell me about the Porsche 968 (3liter914-6)
Posted by: 3liter914-6 at 8:38 PM 7-7-2003

Just thought that maybe the comparo used the Tiptronic?
Found a PCA webpage that lists what maybe factory performance numbers for the 968@
0-60mph: 5.9 seconds (Tiptronic; 7.0s)
0-1/4 mile: 14.4s (15.1s)
Top Speed: 156 mph (Tiptronic; 153 mph)

As you can see, it's more a competitor for the E36 M3 than a Corrado



Post Title: Re: Tell me about the Porsche 968 (Lupo TDI)
Posted by: Obin Robinson at 8:42 PM 7-7-2003



Quote, originally posted by Lupo TDI »
Obin:
is the 6-speed tranny of the 968 swappable on a 951? I somewhat started looking at some turbo's to change my Lupo...(imagine: the Porsche has more trunk than mine )

3liter914-6 pretty much got it on the nose. you shouldn't retrofit that 6 speed to a 944 turbo that is making big power. you'll blow the ring and pinion apart. the 016R tranny in the 944 turbo is the best bet but if you really want to go to something better, use the Porsche G50. they can be (and have been) adapted to 944 turbo race cars

obin



Post Title: Re: Tell me about the Porsche 968 (Obin Robinson)
Posted by: Lupo TDI at 4:17 AM 7-9-2003



Cool!
Thanks for the info's!

Now I have to check what insurance would cost...I think it would be the perfect car to drive on the Nordschleife



Post Title: Re: Tell me about the Porsche 968 (Lupo TDI)
Posted by: Obin Robinson at 8:24 AM 7-9-2003



Quote, originally posted by Lupo TDI »
Cool!
Thanks for the info's!

Now I have to check what insurance would cost...I think it would be the perfect car to drive on the Nordschleife

"perfect" for the Nordschleife? naah... BETTER THAN PERFECT

good luck!

obin



Post Title: Re: Tell me about the Porsche 968 (Obin Robinson)
Posted by: cougar at 8:28 AM 7-9-2003



Quote, originally posted by Obin Robinson »
what you need to know:

they have the beefiest stump-pulling 3 litre 4 cylinder you could ever imagine.
the NA cars feel faster than turbo cars from other companies.
they handle like they're glued to the pavement.
the interior is just amazing.
they also feature the most addictive 6-speed tranny you could ever shift.
they're freaking gorgeous

obin

You forgot to mention:

Best front-engine N/A 4-cylinder RWD car ever.





Post Title: Re: Tell me about the Porsche 968 (cougar)
Posted by: Oliver@triplezoom at 10:04 AM 7-9-2003



Quote, originally posted by cougar »
Best front-engine N/A 4-cylinder RWD car ever.

I thought that was my car.



Post Title: Re: Tell me about the Porsche 968 (Obin Robinson)
Posted by: Lupo TDI at 12:38 PM 7-9-2003



Quote, originally posted by Obin Robinson »

"perfect" for the Nordschleife? naah... BETTER THAN PERFECT

good luck!

obin

Thanks, but it seems like it's at least going to double in comparison to my Lupo...not affordable at the moment



Post Title: Re: Tell me about the Porsche 968 (Lupo TDI)
Posted by: Obin Robinson at 12:43 PM 7-9-2003



Quote, originally posted by Lupo TDI »

Thanks, but it seems like it's at least going to double in comparison to my Lupo...not affordable at the moment

awww, what about looking for a 944 NA. the engine is smaller than 968 and that will cut insurance down.

good luck!

obin



Post Title: Re: Tell me about the Porsche 968 (Obin Robinson)
Posted by: Lupo TDI at 12:47 PM 7-9-2003



Hm, why not; gonna ask for that, and for a GTV 6 (although reliability is probably on 2 different levels, handling shouldn't differ too much). I really hope it's going to be somewhere near this one!



Post Title: Re: Tell me about the Porsche 968 (Lupo TDI)
Posted by: Potencia at 1:19 PM 7-9-2003

was not well recieved when released



Post Title: Re: Tell me about the Porsche 968 (Potencia)
Posted by: Obin Robinson at 1:22 PM 7-9-2003

Quote, originally posted by Potencia »
was not well recieved when released

which half of a sentence was that?

obin



Post Title: Re: Tell me about the Porsche 968 (Obin Robinson)
Posted by: Lupo TDI at 12:07 PM 7-12-2003



ok, no luck
Even the N/A 944 is "terribly" expensive; it's only 300€ cheaper than the turbo.
Have to wait a couple of years and hope not to get involved in an accident, so my insurance will be cheaper and I'll be hopefuly working somewhere as an engineer...
But then it's the turbo!



Post Title: Re: Tell me about the Porsche 968 (dolemite)
Posted by: Numbersix at 12:45 PM 7-12-2003

Quote, originally posted by dolemite »
I remember an article in road and track where they did a head to head comparo and the Corrado came out on top....


That was actually Automobile.

The article--it was their cover--was entitled "CHEAP PORSCHE!", of course in reference to the Corrado SLC, which was also new to the US at that time (1992).

They said that in many respects, the Corrado--in stock form--was nearly as good as the 968, and the price difference swung the pendulum in favor of the SLC.

The 968 is an amazing car. 236hp, first use of Porsche's Variocam, biggest 4 cylinder engine in recent production for an automobile, yet still one of the smoothest engines you will ever find.

Steering, like any 924/944 derivative--and especially the later cars with alloy control arms--is near-telepathic. The 944/968's have been repeatedly called 'the best steering cars in the world' and many automotive journalists still quote them as being their personal benchmarks.

50/50 weight distribution, achieved by mounting the engine well back over the front wheels and a rear transaxle, equates to amazingly balanced handling with seemingly endless grip.

Combine this with very good visibility and a timeless, well thought out interior design, and you have a wonderful car for track or grand touring.





Post Title: Re: Tell me about the Porsche 968 (C_walsh)
Posted by: MartijnGizmo at 12:54 PM 7-12-2003



Quote, originally posted by C_walsh »
The 968 is the finished product that started as the 924. It is the total evolution of that car. 3.0 liter 4 cylinder with a 6 speed. Very desireable. Pretty rare in the states. My favorite, the 968 CS:

Wouldn't that be the 968 CS ClubSport (yes, 2 times CS) with stock rollcage, 70% LSD and cup-seats?????



Post Title: Re: Tell me about the Porsche 968 (Peloton25)
Posted by: Eolair at 1:30 PM 7-12-2003



Quote, originally posted by Peloton25 »

I see that one is sitting at ~$18,000 and the reserve price has not yet been met. What do they normally sell for? Also, what's the reliability record on these compared to say your average BMW or Audi?

>8^)
ER



Don´t know what they go for used, neither here nor in the States, but in 1992 a new one cost more than a new Boxster costs today.



Post Title: Re: Tell me about the Porsche 968 (Eolair)
Posted by: Zwoobah at 3:04 PM 7-12-2003

the 968 is orgasmic. we have a black/black '94 with 49,000 miles on the lot right now, for sale at $19,000. I love driving it, the handling is so precise and predictable, the engine is torquey, smooth, yet still has serious high-end punch once you hit 4000rpm...thank you variocam it will also chirp 3rd gear, and the speedo is rated to 180mph, which, judging by the 2000rpm 60mph cruise, it is capable of using. with the roof panel off it's a wonderful open-air ride, the seats are porsche-standard supportive and comfortable, it's got hatchback cargo room, occasional backseats...what more could you want?
according to a porsche enthusiast who's about to buy it, there are only 2200 in this country. they're quite the cars.



Post Title: Re: Tell me about the Porsche 968 (Zwoobah)
Posted by: a2a4raddo at 5:31 PM 7-12-2003

Porsche 968 is great. in the states we got Cabriolets, Coupes, and sport models. they werent officially named sport models, but came equip with the same options that were found in u.k spec "Sport"models. these are hard to find and a little bit quicker in the 1/4...low 14's. They are equip with MO30-Suspension & bigger cross-drilled brakes. 17" wheels instead of the base 16" wheels, sports seats, and a more aggresive LSDifferential. i found a black 95 968 Sport with 50K miles, bone stock minus a Turbo S front splitter,B&B tri-flo exhaust, and 18" hollow spoke Technolgoy wheels had 49K miles. it was priced at 26Grand firm, and i regret not buying it Big time.

968's are the pinnacle of the 924-944-968 series and most reliable. built for 1992-1995 model years. they have a 3.0L 16V I-4 N/A with 240HP & 225LBS/T mated too a 6-Speed tranny. 50/50 weight distribution and RWD. there were 16,XXX 968's produced. 5,XXX made it too the u.s. Special models include Clubsport & Turbo models. only 20 Turbos were made by the factory. 16 Turbo S and 4 Turbo RS. Turbo S made 305HP, 369LBS/Ft. Turbo RS made as much as 420HP.

cars i would cross shop with a 968?

BMW M3 (95-99)
Mazda RX7 (93-95)
Porsche 944 S2 (89-91)
Porsche 944 Turbo S (88-89)
Honda S2000

Modified by a2a4raddo at 5:32 PM 7-12-2003



Post Title: Re: Tell me about the Porsche 968 (a2a4raddo)
Posted by: mawingo at 6:22 PM 7-12-2003



wow, sounds like a terrific car



Post Title: Re: Tell me about the Porsche 968 (3liter914-6)
Posted by: EuroAtomic at 9:55 PM 7-12-2003

yeah.. the acceleration might be not as fast as the raddo or any other pocket rockets. You bring that rado to the auto-X and experience quite of an ass-whoopin' by the 968. Porsches were built as an overall performance car, a GT racer where the handling/braking/ overall feel is abequate to it's power. Something my GTI will never feel like. I have a $2500 1984 944 NA sitting in my driveway and i wish i bought it as my first and last car, when you go through the twisties so fast your rear end muscles feel sour for a coupla days you forget about the 1/4 mile and other BS American car culture is built around nothing even comes close.
Vlad.



Post Title: Re: Tell me about the Porsche 968 (Hawkmoon)
Posted by: fitch at 10:11 PM 7-12-2003

they are SWEEEEET




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