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 Good God. Are real estate prices crazy in your area too?« »

I bought my small 1 bed condo 6 years ago for $71k. Last week, a unit identicle to mine in our complex sold for $206k The few that are currently on the market are running $190k and up.

that is crazy. Good for me when I sell, but crazy nonetheless



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Dang. Thats crazy. Home prices are pretty decent here in Atlanta. Some people may disagree with me on that but for being a major city home prices are not in a bubble like coastal cities.

This may change in a few years though. More and more people are moving south. Many of the cities around here and growing very quickly. This should push home prices in prime areas up and stay reasonable the further away from the cental core of each city.

I live in the city of ATL. I have my fingers crossed.



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 Re: Good God. Are real estate prices crazy in your area too? (16v) »« »

Denver has the highest housing prices for a non coastal city. If you don't make at least $50k a year, I don't see how you could look at even a condo in this market.



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While home prices here are not very high relatively speaking, they have been going up over the past few years. My business partner bought a bungalow 18 months ago for about $100k, it would go for $125k now. Not a bad little gain.
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Crazy here too.

Check this out.

Catching a Wave Out of Pricey California
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By Stephanie Simon and Lianne Hart Times Staff Writers

AUSTIN, Texas — Soaring property values in California have made many homeowners there rich — and many real estate agents here delighted. In an exodus that some demographers say could reshape the American landscape, young professional families are increasingly fleeing the exorbitant coast for Austin, Dallas or San Antonio, for Atlanta, Denver or Phoenix, for Charlotte, N.C.

They're selling their cramped "starter homes" in California, some worth $500,000 or more, and buying luxury homes, for cash, in the nation's interior.


John and Nicole Hutmacher will be moving here this summer, leaving a tract home in a jam-packed subdivision in Santa Rosa in Northern California for a 3,000-square-foot estate on an acre in a gated community overlooking central Texas' rippled hills. They'll have enough money left over to buy a boat and a pickup, even to see the world.


"We wanted to do more with our money than pay for a house," said John Hutmacher, 27, an engineer who can work from anywhere in the country. "We want to travel. Eventually, we want to have children." In California, he said, "we couldn't afford to."


It's hard to quantify exactly how many families are joining the Hutmachers in sacrificing day trips to the beach in favor of bigger homes, smaller mortgages and shorter commutes.


The 2000 census tracked movement of college graduates around the country and found the metropolitan areas around Atlanta, Dallas, Denver and Phoenix were top magnets. (San Francisco made the list, though demographers say it's attracting more single dot-com workers than young families.) Experts say the migration inward has accelerated since the census, as housing prices in California and New England have soared.


Calling the shift dramatic, demographer William Frey has dubbed the Southwest and Southeast the nation's "brain gainers." A scholar at the Brookings Institution, a Washington think tank, Frey sees a "smart belt" emerging in the Sun Belt.


Real estate agents see it too.


"I'm flooded with clients from California," said Larry Regan, a broker in Dallas.


"It's so exciting to work with them because everything looks great to them," said Kristal Kraft, who sells homes in Denver.


In Atlanta, Ellen (news - web sites) Crawford recalls one gleeful refugee from high-priced New Jersey who kissed her hands after she sold him a four-bedroom house in the sought-after suburb of Alpharetta for $189,000. Compared to the coasts, Crawford said, "homes are practically for free here."


Though the colder, grayer Midwest has proved a less attractive draw, cities such as Minneapolis, Kansas City, Mo., Ann Arbor, Mich., and Madison, Wis., are also beginning to lure professional families from the coasts.


Demographer Joel Kotkin, a senior fellow at Pepperdine University's Davenport Institute for Public Policy, predicts that the trend "may lead to a stabilization, or even a limited resurgence," of the long-declining Rust Belt. It's already reshaped the way some entrepreneurs view the vast Plains once derided as "flyover country."


Forbes magazine recently ranked Madison the best place in the U.S. to do business. A similar survey in Inc. magazine put Atlanta on top. Both lists were dominated by, as Inc. put it, not "the fashionable coasts," but "more prosaic places" where the cost of living is low enough to attract and retain well-educated workers, and companies don't have to pay them a fortune.


Steven Kiser, president of a San Antonio computer firm, calls that the "corporate greed standpoint" — and he admits it's a factor for business owners.

When Kiser ran the research department of a software firm in Southern California, some of his employees seemed constantly stressed, barely able — despite what he considered ample salaries — to afford more than the basic "hygiene factors" of shelter, food and clothes, he said.


His 110 employees at SecureInfo in Texas earn less but live better because they have more discretionary income for travel and entertainment. And Kiser can use some of the savings he reaps from a lower payroll to provide better benefits, such as retirement plans. He's noticed less turnover — and more satisfaction — in his workforce.

Surging interest in such moves reflects a deep divide in the nation's housing market.

Property values in California and in parts of Florida, New England and Washington D.C. (news - web sites), have doubled or close to tripled in the last decade, gaining more than 20% last year alone. In the broad expanse of middle America, however, housing prices have tended to plod modestly upward at 3% or 4% a year.

Until the mid-1990s, "home prices in different regions were starting to converge," said Nicolas Retsinas, director of Harvard's Joint Center on Housing Studies. Since then, "we've seen an increasing disparity."

The disparity has created wildly different experiences for buyers.

Home prices have so far outstripped income growth in California that the average worker would need to save every penny he earned for more than eight years to buy the average house. In Wisconsin, that worker would need less than 2 1/2 years of income to pay cash for a house.

"It's just amazing," said Robert Shiller, the Yale University economist who made the calculations for a recent study. "Californians must be so stressed out."

On the plus side, Californians who stretched to buy a home find themselves flush with equity as the market soars.

That gives them options owners in more stagnant markets can only dream about. They can draw a home-equity loan at a low interest rate to cover a child's college tuition or pay down credit card debt. They can remodel, expand, refinance. Or cash out and call U-Haul.

That's not realistic in places like Fort Wayne, Ind., where housing prices fell 1.8% last year, or Salt Lake City, where prices dropped 0.5%, or even Austin, where property values eked out a bare 0.1% gain.

Such soft markets have created a sense of stagnation in the heartland — the sad inverse of the California boom.

Workers laid off from textile and manufacturing plants in Indiana, Ohio, Georgia and North Carolina often find they cannot afford to move in search of a new job. Not unless they want to sell their home at a loss, or give up and let the bank foreclose.

In Georgia last month, 6,194 residential properties were listed in foreclosure. In California, there were 649.

"Many households are simply stuck," said Mark Zandi, chief economist for the research firm Economy.com. "In the worst case, it means that many people have to step out of the job market altogether, completely discouraged because they can't afford to move."

That analysis rings true for Stacy Ester, 36, a laid-off warehouse worker in Galesburg, Ill.

She and her husband, John, had listed their three-bedroom home for $79,900 when their employer, Maytag, announced plans to shut down its Galesburg plant, throwing 1,600 people out of work. Overnight, property values plunged 10% or more.

"We lost at least $10,000 just from that announcement," Stacy Ester said. They took their house off the market to wait for a better time to sell. A year and a half later, they're still waiting.

"To put your house on the market now is almost suicidal," Ester said. "No one in town could buy it."

Since they can't sell, the Esters can't move, though they have heard there are good jobs for people with their skills in the Carolinas. "I'd move tomorrow if I could," Stacy Ester said.

Some analysts see potential political fallout from the widening gulf in home values.

Led by California, New York and New England, the states that Democrat Al Gore (news - web sites) won in 2000 enjoyed a 49% increase in home values in the last four years. The states that Republican George W. Bush won have seen an appreciation rate of 28%, according to a recent study in the National Journal.

The anxiety that homeowners in soft-market states feel — especially if they're unable to move for another job — could affect their assessment of Bush's performance.

"It's just one more thing to add to the general angst about the economy in those parts of the country," Zandi said. "It weighs on the prospects for the president's reelection."

On the other hand, on the flush coasts, people like David Gallagher couldn't be enjoying life more.

Gallagher, a 36-year-old software engineer, plans to move to Denver this summer with his wife, Lora, and their three young children. They expect to sell their "very, very average" 1,400-square-foot home in Chino Hills for at least half a million dollars. Considering they bought it six years ago for $175,000, they'll reap quite a profit.

So Gallagher doesn't much care that he hasn't found a job in Colorado. "We'll be able to buy a house in Denver for cash and have so much money left over, I won't have to work for a year or two," he said.

The Gallaghers are excited about moving to Denver for several reasons. They love to ski. Their future neighbors seem warm and welcoming. They can't wait to explore the vibrant downtown.

Most of all, they're glad for the chance to escape the traffic, the heat and the outrageous prices of a state that no longer seems so golden.

"California," Gallagher said, "seems to take a lot and give you little."

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 Re: Good God. Are real estate prices crazy in your area too? (16v) »« »

We had our house appraised for re-fi back in September, it was $192,500 (we bought it with a value of $191k about 15 months before that). Had it appraised to re-fi in April, $210,000. We've done nothing to the house in that time (with the exception of planting some flowers and painting two rooms). Just installed a fence, he told us that would be another $2500 in value. It's great, until I realize that the houses we'll want to buy in a couple years are likely increasing the same way.



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 Re: Good God. Are real estate prices crazy in your area too? (srogan88) »« »

We bought our 3 bedroom t/h for about 187K, its now worth about 235-240K! That since 2001. Of course everything else has gone way up too. Market should flatten out in a few years.
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The Denver market has flattened out. Housing prices aren't increasing like they were in 99-01, but they haven't fallen. I get sale reports for Boulder county. The big homes in Boulder are actually dropping in price, and townhomes haven't moved for some time. Though you are still going to spend $215K for a dumpy 1 bedroom condo in Boulder city limits. At least prices are holding steady, and not diving like they were 20 years ago.



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I briefly check the RE prices in Denver when I was out there last year.
I was expecting a bargain but prices were higher than I thought they would be.

Boulder is a bit different in that prices there have always traditionally been higher than many areas (including Denver), so if they fall a bit its from a higher base.



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"Bargain" has always been a relative term in the Denver market. Compared to what my friends on Long Island pay, it is a bargain. Though compared to Montrose, I'm gettin' jacked. A "bargain" in Denver is a house that was bought 4 years ago and is being sold for that price plus the 6% for the realtor. Those are going within a couple of weeks. IF the owner is trying to recoup any expenses, like a basement, they won't do it.

Prices on the South end of Denver may go up. New home permits are not being issued, b/c there is not enough water to go around down there. On the North side, prices have stagnated, b/c there are so many new homes going in.

Boulder servers as a decent barometer of the metro area as a whole. Not in terms of absolute prices (Boulder is higher than many, though not all, areas) but rather trends in the broader market.

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 Re: Good God. Are real estate prices crazy in your area too? (1987CO16v) »« »

I live in Santa Barbara so yes. Condo bought in 98 for $200k just appraised for $560k. Taking out equity and buying a house.
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I live in Santa Barbara so yes. Condo bought in 98 for $200k just appraised for $560k. Taking out equity and buying a house.

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Posted 6/25/2004 2:12 PM

HSBC, unlike Fed, sees U.S. housing bubble

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Economists at HSBC Friday waded into the debate over whether the U.S. housing market is over-inflated, declaring a bubble exists, something the Federal Reserve has said it does not see.
Just a few days after the Federal Reserve Bank of New York said it found little evidence of a nationwide housing bubble, HSBC said a bubble exists and prices are likely to deflate gradually over a few years, triggered by Fed interest rate rises.

"This bubble-psychology has manifested itself in very rich valuations," HSBC chief U.S. economist Ian Morris wrote.

House prices relative to income, rent, replacement-cost and home-equity have all set new highs, Morris said in a report entitled The U.S. Housing Bubble - The case for a home-brewed hangover.

"Expectations of future house price appreciation are spectacularly, and unrealistically, high," he said.

The debate over whether a housing bubble exists has raged in recent years as prices have surged. But the Federal Reserve has often said it does not see a bubble.

Over the four years to the first quarter of 2004, official figures show house prices rose 33% nationally. Over the same period, prices in Washington, D.C., were up 70%, in California 60% and in New York and Florida 50%.

Earlier this week, the New York Fed said the decline in interest rates in recent years justified the price increases.

The 12-page Fed study said the rapid increase in home prices was itself not evidence of a bubble. "Rather, it appears that home prices have risen in line with increases in personal income and declines in nominal interest rates," it said.

Some economists worry that the run-up in housing prices in recent years has created a bubble similar to the stock market excesses of the late 1990s and could jeopardize the entire U.S. economy if prices fall sharply.

The 47-page HSBC report said a "hard landing" is typical after a housing bust because the wealth effects - which can affect consumer spending - from real estate are more powerful than from stocks.

"Prices are 10 to 20% too high and can overshoot on the way down," HSBC's Morris said, most likely deflating gradually over a few years rather than crashing like stocks.

"We think the party stops by mid-2005. A series of rate hikes will cause a reassessment of likely future house price risks and its associated debt, thereby triggering housing's fall."

Morris said that as the hangover hits around the middle of next year, he expects relief in the form of renewed Fed easing will be required.

Much of the difference in how HSBC views the run-up in prices compared with the Fed's assessment stems from a debate over which price measures are used.

The New York Fed said it was important to adjust for quality improvements due to renovations and extensions. Unfortunately, such a price index does not exist, so the Fed uses a quality-adjusted "new" home price index.

HSBC's Morris argued that this approach has pitfalls because the existing stock of housing does not improve in quality by anywhere near as much as the improvement in new homes.

The data this week on housing have all been far above expectations.

On Thursday, a report on sales of new homes showed a 14.8% surge in May, including a leap of 53.2% in the Northeast. On Friday, a report showed sales of previously owned homes jumped 2.6% to a record in May.





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Very interesting. Over the long term, say since 1970, what has happened to the CA market?



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Quote, originally posted by 1987CO16v »
Very interesting. Over the long term, say since 1970, what has happened to the CA market?

in 1970 the house I live in now was worth about 30k, it is now worth about 450k. It was worth about 150k in 98.



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The market here in Tallahassee FL is red hot right now.
In the last two years many houses have gone up 20%-25% in the good areas of town.

I am in the process of getting a 3/2 1200 sq ft. relativly near campus for 90k.
Most houses I have seen like that are going from 100k to 130k and are sold extremly quickly.
My friend bought a 3/3 townhouse in a large unit area for 104k a year ago and they are selling for 125k now...
Another friend of my parents bought a 3/2 townhome in 01 for 58k
Sold at 98k now.
I think most of the outrageous growth here is over.

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Not sure about CA in particular, but real estate in general is a decent investment over the long haul. The problem is that there are peaks and valleys in the short run and they could be significant. And your personal timing to buy/sell a home might not coincide with the vageries of the market so as to be to your benefit.

In general, RE went crazy in the early 80's, crashed in the late 80's, slow but generally steady growth until the late 90's when things went nuts again. But this may well be followed by a year or two of market correction (ie prices decrease by 10-20% as stated in the article) followed by several years of very slow rebound. Or prices might keep going up. Who knows. But I doubt they can keep going up at the present rates, esp. since interest rates are climbing and will continue to do so for the forseeable future.

Another thing to remember is that the FED has a vested interest in saying there's no bubble for a couple reasons. First is that they created the current situation and they don't want to admit to having created a "bubble" but instead created real wealth for people. Second, its an election year and nobody wants to hear that the house they just paid $500k for might be worth $350 next year. That could well kill Bush's re-election hopes. So I'm guessing we won't see the bubble (if it is a bubble) burst until after the election. But then wil we see a hard crash or a soft landing? Beats me.



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Our house in New Jersey was built in 1990 and sold to the first owner for $350,000. We bought it in 1994 for $315,000. We sold it in 2003 to the relocation company for $510,000. That's a 5.5% annual appreciation rate over those nine years.

This house was first sold in November 1990 for $405,000. It was resold in July 1996 for $360,000. We bought it in mid-2003 for $605,000. That a 7.7% annual appreciation rate over those seven years.

And we think it's appreciated nicely since then, seeing listing prices in the development.



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Not sure about CA in particular, but real estate in general is a decent investment over the long haul. The problem is that there are peaks and valleys in the short run and they could be significant. And your personal timing to buy/sell a home might not coincide with the vageries of the market so as to be to your benefit.

In general, RE went crazy in the early 80's, crashed in the late 80's, slow but generally steady growth until the late 90's when things went nuts again. But this may well be followed by a year or two of market correction (ie prices decrease by 10-20% as stated in the article) followed by several years of very slow rebound. Or prices might keep going up. Who knows. But I doubt they can keep going up at the present rates, esp. since interest rates are climbing and will continue to do so for the forseeable future.

Another thing to remember is that the FED has a vested interest in saying there's no bubble for a couple reasons. First is that they created the current situation and they don't want to admit to having created a "bubble" but instead created real wealth for people. Second, its an election year and nobody wants to hear that the house they just paid $500k for might be worth $350 next year. That could well kill Bush's re-election hopes. So I'm guessing we won't see the bubble (if it is a bubble) burst until after the election. But then wil we see a hard crash or a soft landing? Beats me.

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We bought our house (built in 1978 for a price of 80K) 2 3/4 years ago. 2000 square feet, 4 bedrooms, 2 1/2 baths, 2 story and 12000 sq foot lot for 350K.

Our neighbors across the street, same house model, SMALLER yard, less upgrades are selling theirs right now for 625,000. A similar house to ours just down the street sold a month ago for 650,000.

Thats almost 300,000 in 2 3/4 years.


Our first house that we bought in 1997 for 180,000 was a 3 bedroom, 1400 sqare foot house that we sold 4 1/2 years later for 280,000.

My sister and brother in law bought a SMALL condo (i think about 1100 square feet) brand new 2 years ago for 200,000. A similar condo in the same complex recently sold for 525,000.


THATS SAN DIEGO FOR YOU..... median price of a house these days here in San Diego? $500,000.

A 720 square foot house built in 1932 just went on the market for 515,000....... http://www.signonsandiego.com/....html



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So with all this California-housing-boom talk, I think the question on everyone's mind is how to predict where and when that will next happen? Are the larger interior metropolitian areas set to rise, with the influx of people leaving the shores for more affordable living space, as referenced by HondaGuy's article? Hmmm...



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Nope. You can still get a nice 3 bed 1-2 bath house for under 150k up here. Go over the state line into RI, and the same house is 200-400k. And taxes are double or triple. I'm paying 1200/yr for taxes. That's 2 cars and the house/land. When I bought my house I paid 130,000. I could sell it for about 150k.



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Good question, but I think the ultimate answer is that people will have no choice but to live wherever the jobs are. Right now that's in and around the cities on either coast as well as Denver, Chicago, and a few areas in between.

If companies don't take their jobs to middle America then people really won't be able to move there, at least not in large numbers.

But you also have a crapload of baby boomers about to retire. Once they do they can live anywhere. But right now they are choosing to live in the usually places, driving up vacation properties in Florida, Cape Cod, etc.





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 Re: Good God. Are real estate prices crazy in your area too? (16v) »« »

yup. bought my house when i was single 10 yrs ago for 115K. it went low because it was not that well maintained & next to a cemetary. i've probably pumped 80K & many many hours into it over the years. now i could probably get about 400K
all i know is i'm damn lucky i bought it when i did cuz there's no way we could afford anything in that range today.



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From the HSBC article above, the bold is my doing.

"Over the four years to the first quarter of 2004, official figures show house prices rose 33% nationally. Over the same period, prices in Washington, D.C., were up 70%, in California 60% and in New York and Florida 50%.

Earlier this week, the New York Fed said the decline in interest rates in recent years justified the price increases.

The 12-page Fed study said the rapid increase in home prices was itself not evidence of a bubble. "Rather, it appears that home prices have risen in line with increases in personal income and declines in nominal interest rates," it said."

So my income is up 70% in the last four years is it (including changes in interest)? Bull****. I realize that the Washington numbers are there for effect but personal incomes are NOT up 33% across the country. To me it sounds like the FED is talking-up a soft landing for the market.

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What suprises me even more about some of the info above, is that it's *condos* being sold for these prices. You don't get a yard, and you can't do anything to add on the house, or change it much on the interior or exterior - but my guess is that's what people want. Sooner or later tho, you'll want to do something to your house besides paint...



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What suprises me even more about some of the info above, is that it's *condos* being sold for these prices. You don't get a yard, and you can't do anything to add on the house, or change it much on the interior or exterior - but my guess is that's what people want. Sooner or later tho, you'll want to do something to your house besides paint...

A LOT of baby boomers that are retriring are going to want condos - no yard work, no exterior maintenance, no need to worry about that stuff. There are a few people I know of that have already sworn this is what they will be doing when they retire in the next year or so. Demand and supply....



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yup. bought my house when i was single 10 yrs ago for 115K. it went low because it was not that well maintained & next to a cemetary. i've probably pumped 80K & many many hours into it over the years. now i could probably get about 400K
all i know is i'm damn lucky i bought it when i did cuz there's no way we could afford anything in that range today.

This pretty much sums it up. The Fed says that you should be able to afford the house you are in today (much like you did when you purchased it the first time). How many of the above examples of bought at $230K in year X and worth $560K today do you think that is the case. Twenty percent down would have gone from $46,000 to $112,000. Has your salary increased in such a way that what you can afford a ~$3500 a month morgage instead of the ~$1500 the numbers above imply while retaining the same income to dept ratios? Not for most.

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"Rather, it appears that home prices have risen in line with increases in personal income and declines in nominal interest rates," it said."

So my income is up 70% in the last four years is it (including changes in interest)? Bull****. I realize that the Washington numbers are there for effect but personal incomes are NOT up 33% across the country. To me it sounds like the FED is talking-up a soft landing for the market.

increases in personal income AND declines in nominal interest rate.

$255,000 loan @ 5 5/8%, 30-yr: Pmt = $1468

a loan of 70% less at an interest rate that is approx double provides a similar payment:

$150,000 loan @ 10 7/8%, 30-yr: Pmt = $1414


When my parents bought their house in the late 70's, the rates were > 15%






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increases in personal income AND declines in nominal interest rate.

$255,000 loan @ 5 5/8%, 30-yr: Pmt = $1468

a loan of 70% less at an interest rate that is approx double provides a similar payment:

$150,000 loan @ 10 7/8%, 30-yr: Pmt = $1414


When my parents bought their house in the late 70's, the rates were > 15%

Sure rates were double digit in the 70s but the quote above concerns the last four years not the last 40.

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Yeah, I used to work with somebody in the late 80s that bought his first house in the 70s and said his rate was at 17%. He said that he refinanced four times to get a llower rate.

I think our interest rate in 1994 was 10.375%. Our rate here is something like 5.25%.

We moved to the Boston area a year ago. Just about everyone I meet that bought their house before the increase of the past five years has said that they could never afford to buy their house now, showing that the rate of appreciation in this area has far outpaced their income.



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Median home price in Santa Barbara just slipped over the million dollar mark.
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So the average income for the area is...what, 120 to 180K? I wonder where ImRollin is at?
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