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Looking for a starter bike. Need some opinions. 599
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Re: Honda 599 vs Ducati Monster 620 (3hree 3hree 7even) » | « » 4:27 PM 8-4-2004 | |
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Is this your first bike? Any riding experience? Another naked alternative is the Suzuki GS500. Awesome beginner's bike. The 599 and Monster might be too much. 
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Re: Honda 599 vs Ducati Monster 620 (GT Eye) » | « » 4:34 PM 8-4-2004 | |
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Nope no experience. I don't want to buy something and outgrow it in one season. I have to weigh it out, price, insurance etc.I really like the 599 though - especially in asphault.
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Re: Honda 599 vs Ducati Monster 620 (GT Eye) » | « » 5:13 PM 8-4-2004 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by GT Eye » | | That's not me, I wish it was |
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Re: Honda 599 vs Ducati Monster 620 (3hree 3hree 7even) » | « » 5:13 PM 8-4-2004 | |
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both of those are good starter, commuter bikes and with little work they can be upgraded when your experiance goes up. the gs500 is a good bike as well i just sold mine, it never let me down and was slow as hell, so i learned how to keep up with my friends in the corners really quick. no matter what you choose you'll be happy
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Re: Honda 599 vs Ducati Monster 620 (rabb77) » | « » 5:47 PM 8-4-2004 | |
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 this is my naked beauty-1990 kawasaki zephyr 500 (aka ZR550) they are somehwat rare bikes, and that is one of the reasons i love them, also since they are sweet looking naked bikes i love naked bikes, the monster is one of my favs-that 599 is hot as well...but i would try the bandit (which was my other choice besides my zr-they are sweet bikes) or if you can find one, a zephyr you can pick a good used one up for cheap, and insurance is not bad at all on them. they are fast, nimble, and easy on gas-mine gets 50+ mpg!! and my girlfriend and i ride it all the time-and it is plenty for the both of us
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From what I heard, the Honda is really over priced. Just what I read while browsing around. Also, one of the MSF instructors told me that ducatti monster has insane upkeep costs. After breaking supposedly it requires a valve adjustment, which involves dropping the entire engine. I dont know if its true, but you may want to look into it.
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Re: (Spaghetti_Part2) » | « » 7:42 PM 8-4-2004 | |
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The Honda is waay overpriced, IMO, and the Ducati will absolutely beat you up in maintenance. Those valve adjustment intervals are insane, and cost an arm and a leg. I love the Monsters, and almost bought one a few weeks ago, but changed my mind after riding the Suzuki SV650. Naked bike like the Honda and Duc, but cheaper and easier to maintain. More HP and torque, too. Here's a pic of mine.
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Re: Honda 599 vs Ducati Monster 620 (3hree 3hree 7even) » | « » 1:04 AM 8-5-2004 | |
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Yeah my coworker is thinking of buying a ducati monster as well. For a first bike I wouldn't recommend it simply due to the potential maintanence costs. You'd much rather be riding than wrenching. I'd say get as bike that's reputed to be reliable, having bike problems and expensive maintenance as a beginner can really sour the learning experience.
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Re: Honda 599 vs Ducati Monster 620 (3hree 3hree 7even) » | « » 2:25 AM 8-5-2004 | |
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Mostly covered already, but they're both decent. The Monster definately wins the cool factor, although it will definately cost more in the long run to own and maintain. The honda is a bit overpriced for what you get, but its still a solid machine all around. If you're looking at those two, definately consider the SV also. Much better bang for the buck than either of the above. None of the three make the best beginner/learner bikes, but they all (especially the SV) are very ideal first bikes if you really think you're going to hold onto one, since they are pretty new rider-friendly and are great all around street bikes, but they also offer enough to satisfy even the most particular of riders. Be wary of the "I don't want to grow out of it" syndrome though. It can get you into trouble easily, whether it be financial or physical. I don't think there are too many people here (at least from the people that post alot) that HAVEN'T dropped a bike in their first season/year of riding, myself included. Plus, you might not want to go into it knowing for sure that you're going to sell a bike in a year or two, BUT...if you're not happy with your bike for whatever reason or you decide you are interested in another type of machine, you'll be much worse off (financially, at least) having to sell the newer, more expensive bike. Also, seriously consider buying a used bike, especially if you're concerned about the budget. Often you can turn a used beginner style bike around a bike in a year or two for little or no financial loss. The beginner friendly bikes are also cheaper to insure--plus, if the bike is cheap enough to purchase, if might not even warrant full coverage...saving you even more cash.
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Re: Honda 599 vs Ducati Monster 620 (bxr140) » | « » 9:04 AM 8-5-2004 | |
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Heres a good comparison.http://www.riderreport.com//output.cfm?id=775099
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$7K for a 600 Honda? GET REAL!Buy a Duc for $6K. I know where there are NEW '03 Darks left over for $5995
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Re: Honda 599 vs Ducati Monster 620 (3hree 3hree 7even) » | « » 10:06 PM 8-5-2004 | |
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Check out the triumph speed four......
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| Quote, originally posted by MRVW01 » | | $7K for a 600 Honda? GET REAL! Buy a Duc for $6K. I know where there are NEW '03 Darks left over for $5995 |
Thats MRSP. Up here they are 8,999 Can. On sale no for 8,299 - which is about 6,000. The SV650 is the best deal, but I've heard that it is a marginal beginners bike because it has touchy throttle
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Re: (Spaghetti_Part2) » | « » 12:18 PM 8-15-2004 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by Spaghetti_Part2 » | | From what I heard, the Honda is really over priced. Just what I read while browsing around. Also, one of the MSF instructors told me that ducatti monster has insane upkeep costs. After breaking supposedly it requires a valve adjustment, which involves dropping the entire engine. I dont know if its true, but you may want to look into it. |
I've been doing alot of research on bikes and have decided that I'm getting a monster 620. Everyone talks about the cost of maintenance on the ducatis, fact is they require maintenance first at 600 miles, then at 6000, and every 6000 after that. The valves are a different design and are adjusted differently , which I think freaks alot of people out. My local shop told me that on the newer monsters, most times when they check the valves they don't require an adjustment.....and if they do, so what? It's two valves per cylinder....4 valves total, how long or difficult can that be? And if you're somewhat mechanically inclined you can do your own oil changes and chain maintenance. I'll take mine in every 6000 miles and let them do it, I figure that will be roughly once a year (6000 miles in a year is alot of riding). I'm going to pay cash for the bike, so since I won't have a payment I figure I can afford $400 to $500 a year in maintenance. Also, at least on the '04 model they showed me, you don't have to "drop" the motor to do your scheduled maintenance. The tank has a latch in the front and is hinged, you unlatch it and swing up the tank. A prop-rod holds it in place. You don't even have to disconnect the fuel lines or anything. Thanks to the guys who posted up their great first bikes.....I'm getting a starter bike in October and then my ducati next april if all goes as planned. Now I have a few other models to search for on cycletrader.com JQ
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Re: Honda 599 vs Ducati Monster 620 (3hree 3hree 7even) » | « » 1:18 PM 8-15-2004 | |
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Here's a pic of the Hornet/599 from way back in late '97 when the bike was first previewed. (note the 16" front wheel that the early Hornets had)
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out of those two...the 620 is the lesser of two evils...the 599 might a too much despite its looks....it is a quick mofo
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Re: (Sheynk) » | « » 10:33 AM 8-16-2004 | |
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Monster 620 I've had mine since April 17th, 5800 fun filled miles! My first service only cost me $150, 6000 mile service should be about $300.
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Re: Honda 599 vs Ducati Monster 620 (3hree 3hree 7even) » | « » 12:40 PM 8-16-2004 | |
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IMO, neither of these makes a good starter bike. The Duc's too expensive to fix up after you drop it and the Hornet's too fast. It's just a naked CBR F3, right? Roughly 90 ponies at the wheel is not newbie friendly.
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Re: Honda 599 vs Ducati Monster 620 (vuu16v) » | « » 1:53 PM 8-16-2004 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by vuu16v » | | IMO, neither of these makes a good starter bike. The Duc's too expensive to fix up after you drop it and the Hornet's too fast. It's just a naked CBR F3, right? Roughly 90 ponies at the wheel is not newbie friendly. |
yup....actually...it might be a naked f4...those are quick!
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Re: Honda 599 vs Ducati Monster 620 (vuu16v) » | « » 1:02 PM 8-17-2004 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by vuu16v » | | IMO, neither of these makes a good starter bike. The Duc's too expensive to fix up after you drop it and the Hornet's too fast. It's just a naked CBR F3, right? Roughly 90 ponies at the wheel is not newbie friendly. |
Just be careful and don't drop it. The thought that my tank costing 1800 keeps my testrone under control.
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Re: Honda 599 vs Ducati Monster 620 (Sheynk) » | « » 4:28 PM 8-17-2004 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by Sheynk » | yup....actually...it might be a naked f4...those are quick! | Yep, it is. I forgot the F4 came carbed and as an F4i (injected). I can get two SV's used for the price of one of those new. Newbs shouldn't waste their money w/ new bikes.
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| Quote, originally posted by Sheynk » | | it might be a naked f4 |
Its based off an F3. The point, however, is still valid.
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| Quote, originally posted by wickedcooldubba » | Monster 620 I've had mine since April 17th, 5800 fun filled miles! My first service only cost me $150, 6000 mile service should be about $300. |
See, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Everyone keeps telling me how "expensive" the m620 will be to maintain. But those numbers don't seems unreasonable to me. But.... I recently went to look at Buell motorcycles, they have a new model for 2005 called the city-x, or xb9sx. I'm interested in this bike because of the engineering that's gone into it, there's some other things about it that also appeal to me. For one, the belt drive requires little to no maintenance and is always kept tight, and only requires replacement every 25000 miles. It has self adjusting valves and gets 50 mpg city, 65 highway. I'm going back down there today to ask more questions about it's maintenance schedule and what not. I'm finding out really quick that people's opinions on bikes are similar to that of cars. Seems like you can't go wrong with most japanese bikes, but if you want something with more style or more soul, then look to european makes. Seems like people like what they like and that's about it. I just enjoy driving, and owning, something that's a little different than that of the mainstream. When it comes time for me to purchase my "keeper" bike I want something that looks good, has good performance, is comfortable, and is relatively easy to live with. Right now those two bikes are the ducati and the buell, the ducati has comfort, performance, and style and is within my price range. The buell has a different style that i'm not opposed to, comfort, better performance and components, and is slightly more expensive than what I'm looking to spend. But in the long run, it seems like it would be easier to live with from a maintenance standpoint. I've yet to get an insurance quote on the buell, so I don't know if it would be cheaper or not. The parts are probably cheaper, so I think the comprehensive coverage might be cheaper....but it makes more hp than the duc, so liability might go up. I guess when the time comes I'll just have to ride them both and see which one suits me best.... JQ
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I always heard Ducati were expensive to maintain. So when I was looking at them I asked. They told me those number I gave above. Plus they added that most people around here (new england) don't ride more than 6000 miles a year. So it wasn't like I was going to get hit with the 600, 6000, 12000 mile service all in the same year. I'll probably get 7500 miles before it gets to damn cold to ride.620's are the cheapest to ride and maintain.
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| Quote, originally posted by bxr140 » | Its based off an F3. The point, however, is still valid. |
thanks for correcting me...i actually was really curious about this
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Re: (wickedcooldubba) » | « » 2:23 AM 8-19-2004 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by wickedcooldubba » | | I always heard Ducati were expensive to maintain. So when I was looking at them I asked. They told me those number I gave above. Plus they added that most people around here (new england) don't ride more than 6000 miles a year. So it wasn't like I was going to get hit with the 600, 6000, 12000 mile service all in the same year. I'll probably get 7500 miles before it gets to damn cold to ride. 620's are the cheapest to ride and maintain. |
I agree, 6000 miles in a year is alot on a motorcycle, even here in Arizona where you can ride almost year round. So, once a year I'll end up shelling out around $500 for full coverage insurance and around $400 for service. I can live with that. Oh, I called the insurance company and got a quote on the Buell.....over $1000 a year for full coverage. I'll be getting my ducati next April then, hope there's still a few Capirex models left JQ
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Don't let anybody scare you away from the Ducati. The maintenance is not as bad as most people say. Most of the maintenance can be done by anybody with some mechanical skill and patience. In my opinion the Ducati is a way cooler and much better looking bike. And don't worry about the bike being to big for a beginner. I started out on a brand new 03 Yamaha YZF-R6 limited edition. I had zero riding experience, I bought the bike and went out in the parking lot and looked it over for a few min and got in a rode home. That was little over a year ago and no accidents yet and I am now upgrading to a new YZF-R1!!! It all comes down to the rider knowing his limits and not going past his capabilites. Good luck!
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| Quote, originally posted by wildcar » | | And don't worry about the bike being to big for a beginner. I started out on a brand new 03 Yamaha YZF-R6 limited edition. I had zero riding experience.... |
To all potential new riders: When you hear advice like this, which conflicts with the advice you get from other riders, consider the source of the advice (and the experience level of that source) versus the source of the conflicting advice (and the experience level of THAT source).
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| Quote, originally posted by bxr140 » | To all potential new riders: When you hear advice like this, which conflicts with the advice you get from other riders, consider the source of the advice (and the experience level of that source) versus the source of the conflicting advice (and the experience level of THAT source). |
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My buddy is buying a 599 this week...I can't wait till he gets it and I can ride it!! I love the looks.
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| Quote, originally posted by JohnnyQuest » | I agree, 6000 miles in a year is alot on a motorcycle, even here in Arizona where you can ride almost year round. So, once a year I'll end up shelling out around $500 for full coverage insurance and around $400 for service. I can live with that. Oh, I called the insurance company and got a quote on the Buell.....over $1000 a year for full coverage. I'll be getting my ducati next April then, hope there's still a few Capirex models left JQ |
I pay $260/year full coverage, from Progressive.
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See, I called progressive and they quoted me $2400 a year!! I even told the guy "I think you put in the wrong model, you put in the s4r or something....." He insisted he didn't. I then called McGraw out of california. They told me $560 a year, and that it would be less after attending an MSF course. I couldn't understand that quote from progressive, I mean....come on, it's a naked bike with only 60hp!! Do you get your insurance so cheap because the riding season up there is so short? JQ
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Progressive always seems overpriced for motorcycle coverage.Pacific Specialty/McGraw has given me great rates on motorcycle inusrance ever since I had my permit at 15 1/2. The few claims I've had they took very good care of me.
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