It is interesting to note that this particular vehicle has the 'extended leather' option - hence the leather dashboard and binnicle - and Poplar wood trim. It is a European production vehicle, and was ordered through Volkswagen Individual. Paddle shifters are listed as a € 830,- option in the German options catalog.

PanEuropean

Paddle Shifter


Modified by PanEuropean at 9:30 PM 8-15-2008

PanEuropean

Modified by PanEuropean at 3:34 AM 10-25-2004

I am pretty sure that VW added that valet button on the right of the lightswitch to the North American cars just so they would not have a blank cover there.

Michael

Rear Foglight Switch - European Phaetons


Modified by PanEuropean at 9:31 PM 8-15-2008

If the wiring is in place and no coding is needed, then the installation would require removal of the steering wheel and trim behind it.

Modified by PanEuropean at 11:06 PM 3-22-2005

TOUAREG HOW TO INFO: MP3, XM, CELL or VIDEO, KEYLESS START, PADDLE SHIFT.

Welcome back.

The paddle shifters do the same thing as the TipTronic function does - by this, I mean moving the shift lever over to the right hand gate and operating it manually there - so, I think you would probably get much faster response than the transmission normally provides when the shift lever is left in the 'D' position. I think VW optimizes the shifting in the 'D' position for comfort, this might explain your observation about slow shifting.

Michael

Hi Jim:

Perhaps the attached wiring diagram might give you the answer. It is the wiring diagram for a 6 speed automatic transmission, which is the one fitted to the V8 Phaeton.

The details of the paddle shifter wiring are shown in the lower left corner of page 4/3. E438 and E439 represent the electrical switches activated by the paddle shifter arms. J527, the existing steering column electrical system control module, interprets these signals, and feeds them by analog DC direct to the J217 transmission control module.

My guess is that a little bit of wiring would need to be added - that which is shown on tracks 16 to 18 inclusive of the attached diagram - and the J527 module (address 16) may need to be recoded to indicate the presence of the paddle shifter switches. I doubt that the J217 transmission module (address 02) would need to be recoded, but that is just a guess.

Michael

Attachment: 6speedautomatictransmission.pdf (319416 bytes, downloaded 244 times)

Bentley Continental GT


Modified by PanEuropean at 9:32 PM 8-15-2008

The wiring diagram is very similar to the Touareg as shown below. We haven't confirmed that we have the required wires in place yet either. I do note that Phaeton wiring goes through two connectors whereas the Touareg wiring goes direct.

Modified by PanEuropean at 11:22 PM 2-15-2005

TOUAREG HOW TO INFO: MP3, XM, CELL or VIDEO, KEYLESS START, PADDLE SHIFT.

Interesting. That kind of suggests that whatever you folks discover makes this modification work on a Touareg will also apply equally to a Phaeton.

I've seen the paddle shifters installed on both the Phaeton and the Touareg - personally, I don't think they compliment the interior appearance of either vehicle. On the Phaeton especially, they kind of stick out like a couple of coathangers on either side of the steering wheel. But, I'm not really one to appreciate the functionality of this feature - I've never used the existing TipTronic function or the S mode on my Phaeton. I figure 'why bother' - if I leave it in D, the car does the work for me.

Michael

Hi Chris: Hey, we're glad you're here, and hope you enjoy the forum. Just in case you start to miss those "should I buy this set of rims" posts, uh, we've got a few of them also:

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....Phaeton with 20 inch Antera Wheels
Phaeton Wheel Photos

Michael

Chris:

You are correct, for both the Golf and the North American Phaetons. I had a very close look at the normal key and valet key for my Phaeton, and there is a difference between the two. The difference is not on the wide part of the key (the part with the wiggly path in it), you have to look at the side of the key blade (the narrow edge) to find it. The valet key has a much fatter edge to it than the normal key - or, to express the same thing differently, the normal key has about half of the width ground away on the narrow edge.

I'm still convinced that the 'valet button' on the Phaeton is just a 'gilding the lily' exercise to come up with something other than a blank plate in the spot where the European Phaetons have the rear foglight button. I am pretty sure that the European Phaetons also have some kind of provision made to disable the use of the trunk release button when you give the valet key to someone. How exactly this is done I don't know, but my guess is that it is transparent to the driver, and doesn't require the driver to push a button to activate the feature. Maybe one of our European forum members can contribute the answer.

Michael

Thanks - I was wondering where the difference in the keys was exactly.

Will VAGCOM for beer. CAN connected cars only, sorry.

1) Paddle shifters anyone? (the installation in the Touareg)

2) Coding for paddle shift on Touareg or Phaeton (discussion about whether control module recoding is required)

Michael

The Immobilizer system is integrated into three parts of the vehicle and it only has one task. It is integrated into the engine control module, ignition switch and the instrument cluster. The Immobilizer is designed to prevent the engine from running should one use a key that is not coded to the vehicle. It does this through a shut down of the vehicle fuel supply or ignition system (varies depending on Immobilizer version). It does not contribute to the perimiter anti-theft alarm systems function and has no control over the locking/unlocking of the luggage compartment.

And I got it working last night with the help of Theresias and his codes. This is actually a pretty nice option. It is much easier to use than the tiptronic on the console. Somebody now has to do this in their Phaeton.

TOUAREG HOW TO INFO: MP3, XM, CELL or VIDEO, KEYLESS START, PADDLE SHIFT.

Well - it's probably not going to be me. Heck, I've never used the existing Tiptronic function, or the Sport mode for that matter. I find that Park, Reverse and Drive are the only operational modes I need to get the job done.

But, if anyone else out there wants to do this, I would be happy to help you by being an information resource, and I am pretty sure that Jim (Spockcat) would be willing to help too.

Michael

My guess is that the installation process on a Phaeton would likely be similar, although the transmission control module (J217) is probably in a different location on the Phaeton. Whoever is the first to do a paddle shifter installation on a Phaeton will need to measure the length of the wiring harness run, and let Jim know what it is for the Phaeton. Once he knows that, he can supply Phaeton wiring harnesses for paddle shifters, in the same manner that he supplies Phaeton wiring harnesses for start button retrofits.

Michael

Michael

Paddle Shifter installed in Phaeton (photo taken in Dresden)


Modified by PanEuropean at 9:33 PM 8-15-2008

James has recently posted some pictures of a Singapore specification Phaeton that is equipped with paddle shifters - they are at this thread: Some pictures of my dad's new Phaeton in Singapore. In anticipation of someone asking "Can we retrofit these to our North American Phaetons?", I've started this thread to find out if anyone really wants to do this. I don't have any interest in this myself - heck, the only transmission positions I ever use are park, reverse, and drive, I've never even used the Tiptronic function. But, if anyone else really wants to go ahead and do this, I can do the research for it while I am in Europe this month.

The paddle shifters provide exactly the same functionality as the Tiptronic position of the shift lever, the only difference is that the gear selection is made by pulling on one of the levers (one for shifting up, one for shifting down), rather than by moving the shift lever into the Tiptronic gate and pushing it forward or backward.

My guess is that it will take about half a day to gather the required information (part numbers, transmission coding) for this modification. As I said, if someone really wants to do it, I'll do the research. Let me know if you need the information.

Michael

Phaeton with Paddle Shifters


Modified by PanEuropean at 9:34 PM 8-15-2008

The same parts are used for both the Touareg and the Phaeton - in fact, the Touareg uses parts that have Phaeton (3D0) part numbers.

My guess is that the total cost of the required parts will be between USD $200 and USD $300 per vehicle.

Michael

2004 Black/Anthracite with European suspension height, paddle shifters, tinting, keyless start. 2007 MB S600 My band's website: http://www.horndogsband.com/

I suspect that this is why VW does not offer paddle shifters as an option in North America.

Quote, originally posted by dcowan699 »

Has this been an issue in Europe?

No - but, keep in mind that in Europe (Switzerland, anyway), more hours of classroom and in-car instruction are required to get a driver licence than are required to get a pilot licence in the United States. As a result, you have a different level of education and training of drivers here.

Michael

So the installation, while not have would require adding the harness from the steering column to the transmission controller, where ever that is located in the Phaeton.

As for mistaking the paddles for the turn signal and wiper stalks, the paddles are placed above the normal position for the other stalks. They also are shaped very different than the stalks. The paddles also do not move up or down like the stalks either.

TOUAREG HOW TO INFO: MP3, XM, CELL or VIDEO, KEYLESS START, PADDLE SHIFT.

Philippe

OK, I'll get all the parts information for you sometime this month.

Michael

By "plastic trim surround", I mean the cover from which the turn signal and wiper stalks emerge. As you can see in the picture at the top of the thread, the plastic trim surround for the two stalks needs to be replaced with a similar part that has a second hole (above the stalk hole) where the paddle shifter emerges.

Thanks, Michael

Good to know, but what I am trying to find out is what colour the part is on MY car, not yours! This so I can purchase the correct part. I have a complete list of all the part numbers that are needed - I just can't recall what the colour of the trim in that area of my car is. I know that Jack Orr has the same car that I do (a 2004 W12 Premiere Edition) - is there anyone else out there with a PE who can answer the question for me?

Michael

Thanks for that info, that helps. I have a couple of pages from the European parts catalog, and they show that there are 5 different colours available for that plastic trim that surrounds the steering column, between where it emerges from the dashboard and the steering wheel itself.

I guess that is what is causing the confusion at my end.

Michael