1552
Member.
Offline
Member Since
2-2-2000
4766 posts
Sarasota, Florida
|
VWvortex: Styles, Trends And Innovations | « » 12:16 AM 10-29-2004 | |
|
Lately, I've read in our forums a number of complaints about how stale the VW/Audi aftermarket scene has become. So, during our summer trip to Waterfest, I took it upon myself to investigate if in fact such sentiments are true and to then report back to you readers on my findings.In reality, such a task is for all intents and purposes impossible – the relative stagnation of any particular car-modding culture is a subjective argument at best. What seems cutting edge and mind-blowing to one person could very well be yesterday’s news to another. Still, any car scene can and will become relatively stagnant at one point or another, so I do believe it’s worth taking a detailed look at the state of the North American VW/Audi tuning scene (or at least a rather East Coast-flavored look, considering I’m using this year’s Waterfest for examples…).... Full Story...
|
awwsheeet3
Member

Offline
Member Since
10-22-2004
4176 posts
long island ny
01 gti
|
Re: VWvortex: Styles, Trends And Innovations (brad@vwvortex) » | « » 12:31 AM 10-29-2004 | |
|
glad to see someone saw my car at waterfest. i didnot show nor did i even show up on time on sundaythanks for noticing!!
c@1is \/i@gr@ stubby mirrors FOR SALE keeping you hard since 2000 ericeng3000@hotmail.com | [a/k]
|
DeeJoker
Member

Offline
Member Since
5-5-2001
5848 posts
Peoples Republic Of Maryland
2004 Tacoma TRD, Yamaha Bruin 350 4x4
|
Re: VWvortex: Styles, Trends And Innovations (brad@vwvortex) » | « » 3:04 AM 10-29-2004 | |
|
Brad, when you guys did the first Oettinger MkIV Jetta way back when, it was groundbreaking, fresh, exciting, new, etc etc etc (and I can't think of how many times I helped Ryan adjust the suspension on that thing once you sold it.) It was the hottest thing on a brand-new chassis.And then it was EVERYWHERE. Oettinger became de rigeur for the Jetta and GTI crowd. And with it ABT, Pzwo, etc. Enthusiasts customize their cars to reflect their personalities. Once someone has copied it, it ain't there own no more! Take for example the first TT interior swap I saw in a MkIV. Awesome. Then I saw them everywhere. Yawn. Same with Oettinger. Or the ubiquitous Mille Spyper wheels. What I think we are seeing is a natural evolution of the style. People are tired of the off-the-shelf stuff that every other S.O.B. at Waterfest/Waterwagens/H20, Treffen, etc has. They are going for the individual style.
Enjoy every sandwich. --Warren Zevon (RIP) We can't stop here- this is BAT country!!I think that's the unwritten rule of the Car Lounge. Most of what is said here is ass-based --ATL-Av8r
|
Hotpockets
Member

Offline
Member Since
12-13-2003
2291 posts
Portland OR
2006 VW GTi 16V
|
Re: VWvortex: Styles, Trends And Innovations (DeeJoker) » | « » 6:53 AM 10-29-2004 | |
|
| Quote, originally posted by DeeJoker » | Enthusiasts customize their cars to reflect their personalities. Once someone has copied it, it ain't their own no more!
|
I think that it's safe to say that "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" holds in this case. Yes, if someone copies your wheel selection, or does the same "little touch" that makes your car yours, then your car is no longer unique, but it is still your car, and if that person did that modification because they looked at your car and said "Man, that looks really, really cool. That's what I've been looking for," then you should be even more proud of your modification, because it not only pleases you, but someone else who authentically admires your car. Be happy that your car now makes two (or more people) genuinely pleased. Obviously, if some trend-follower comes along and sees that "everyone" is doing that same thing to their car, they are no longer doing it for themselves, they are doing it so other people will notice them. Brad, Thanks for the summary of the current status of the scene. I agree with you that certain ideas are getting stale, and to break out of that, one must grow increasingly-reliant on custom modifications to break the mold, so-to-speak, once again. As far as the critiques go for the MkIV scene, think about it: This generation has been out for 5 years now (7 in Europe, right?) So, it's fair enough to say that the MkIV is now in that stage where all of the mass-produced modifications have been utilized to the point of stagnancy. But, the car is still young enough such that the really super-niche stuff has not been identified. If one looks back at the MkI and MkII's, one sees a whole host of second- and third-generation styling waves, where different sub-trends have arisen and cars are seen as a whole, rather than just a mod-list. I know at least a few MkII's that can be identified and remembered in 10-words or less. Once the MkIV takes a back seat to the MkV, people will begin to recycle trends, hybridize styles and generally mix things up. This lack of attention is what will drive the new styles. Rather than being constantly the focus now, where one must keep-up with the Jones', one can sit back, think about what makes their car special to them (as a whole, not just a bunch of singular modifications), and then go after it. Besides, I have to defend my decision to follow Brad's choice in wheels for my MkII
Captain Caveman. (C) 1990
|
boxermkiv
Member
Offline
Member Since
3-4-2004
36 posts
Philadelphia PA
99' VW Jetta
|
Re: VWvortex: Styles, Trends And Innovations (brad@vwvortex) » | « » 2:02 AM 10-31-2004 | |
|
| Quote, originally posted by brad@vwvortex » | | (what the hell is up with Jetta owners and their apparent lighting inferiority complexes?)[/url] |
'Cause Europe won't give us North American Jetta lovers any good lighting products! I know the Golf rules Europe, but they can at least show us some love.
|
1552
Member.
Offline
Member Since
2-2-2000
4766 posts
Sarasota, Florida
|
Re: VWvortex: Styles, Trends And Innovations (boxermkiv) » | « » 10:22 AM 10-31-2004 | |
|
| Quote, originally posted by boxermkiv » | 'Cause Europe won't give us North American Jetta lovers any good lighting products! I know the Golf rules Europe, but they can at least show us some love. |
I was actually trying to be funny with my question, but you still make a good point. It does look like things are looking up for Jetta 3 owners, though. Between the new multi-lens in.Pro Vento headlights and and smoked E-codes, as well as the various clear, smoked and M3-look taillights - J3 owners finally have a few options now. So no more Integra light swaps, k? 
|
tivs31
Member
Offline
Member Since
12-27-2001
15057 posts
lEmont IL
mk4 jetta + b7 a4
|
Re: VWvortex: Styles, Trends And Innovations (brad@vwvortex) » | « » 6:09 PM 10-31-2004 | |
|
Brad nice writeup, but to say that the vw scene has been somewhat stagnent here in the states is really confusing to me.... Somehow at the end of 2003 it seemed that way, and then a lot of things have changed... I think 2004 was the year of the us in the world tuning scene, a lot of nice work has been done like shaving a compelte engine bay, two tone with billet, and just overally new rides that have really been way above and beyond what has been around. Alot of that goes to the realization that custom is better, and buying pieces from oettinger and pzwo and whomever are great, but changing them, modding them, and making them truley your own style is much much cooler, Also I think a certain company from a while ago with a VAG tool name did alot of customizing us rides with all thier custom crazy projects to look at an google over.... Anyway thanks for the pic of my wheel on the opening page, I was to say the least
iiililillillliliil
|
1552
Member.
Offline
Member Since
2-2-2000
4766 posts
Sarasota, Florida
|
Re: VWvortex: Styles, Trends And Innovations (tivs31) » | « » 8:48 PM 10-31-2004 | |
|
| Quote, originally posted by tivs31 » | | Brad nice writeup, but to say that the vw scene has been somewhat stagnent here in the states is really confusing to me.... |
I hear ya. But I guess what I was trying to say is that what folks like you, your bro, and a bunch of others are doing right now is the exception rather than the rule - at least a lot of people think that. But I agree that more and more people are looking for stuff not found "off the rack" and the scene is more interesting as a result.
|
boxermkiv
Member
Offline
Member Since
3-4-2004
36 posts
Philadelphia PA
99' VW Jetta
|
Re: VWvortex: Styles, Trends And Innovations (brad@vwvortex) » | « » 9:58 PM 11-2-2004 | |
|
| Quote, originally posted by brad@vwvortex » | | I was actually trying to be funny with my question, but you still make a good point. It does look like things are looking up for Jetta 3 owners, though. Between the new multi-lens in.Pro Vento headlights and and smoked E-codes, as well as the various clear, smoked and M3-look taillights - J3 owners finally have a few options now. So no more Integra light swaps, k?  | Ok...I'll try to lay off the rice mods..lol I actually have a mk4. I really wish we could get some of the cool Golf 4 mods like the LED tails, R32 style pieces, etc... But we're just lowly North American Jetta owners. Thanx for the laugh thou!
|
crazyreesie
Member
Offline
Member Since
8-1-2002
9089 posts
Wheaton IL
|
Re: VWvortex: Styles, Trends And Innovations (boxermkiv) » | « » 4:40 PM 11-5-2004 | |
|
I think the scene is becoming too competitive, and not entirely in a good way. It seems like a lot of people feel the need to constantly outdo each other; they don't want to be better for their OWN enjoyment of the car, but they just have to have that Waterfest trophy or PVW cover before they can feel as if they have accomplished anything. I'm guilty of this myself--my car is hardly WF material and I'm fine with that, but every time I see one of the other three or four local montana green GTIs I get annoyed because I want to have the best one. Edited to add that I think this piece was thoughtful and very eloquently written.
Modified by crazyreesie at 4:42 PM 11-5-2004
1991 Montana Green GTI now with Digifiz!
|
K1NgP1N
Member

Offline
Member Since
10-31-2004
6 posts
Vancouver B.C.
1994, Volkswagen Golf GTI
|
Re: VWvortex: Styles, Trends And Innovations (brad@vwvortex) » | « » 9:23 PM 11-5-2004 | |
|
Hey whats up.....I have a '94 Golf GTI 2.0L.....i was wondering whats a good price for a VR6 engine...
|
K1NgP1N
Member

Offline
Member Since
10-31-2004
6 posts
Vancouver B.C.
1994, Volkswagen Golf GTI
|
Re: VWvortex: Styles, Trends And Innovations (brad@vwvortex) » | « » 9:25 PM 11-5-2004 | |
|
Hey .....I have '94 Golf GTI 2.0L ...i was wondering whats a good price for a VR6 engine...thnks
|
Forced Fed Euro
Member
Offline
Member Since
7-6-2004
991 posts
Worcester Ma
mk3 Gti vr6 s/c
|
Re: VWvortex: Styles, Trends And Innovations (brad@vmg) » | « » 12:07 AM 2-15-2005 | |
|
Teach Masterbation Autobon Productions
|
Forced Fed Euro
Member
Offline
Member Since
7-6-2004
991 posts
Worcester Ma
mk3 Gti vr6 s/c
|
Re: VWvortex: Styles, Trends And Innovations (brad@vmg) » | « » 12:07 AM 2-15-2005 | |
|
Teach Masterbation Autobon Productions
|
MoochsMalibu
Member

Offline
Member Since
6-25-2003
4685 posts
Babylon, NY
1971 Chevelle, 2003 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
|
Re: VWvortex: Styles, Trends And Innovations » | « » 7:01 PM 2-27-2005 | |
|
| Quote, originally posted by Hotpockets » | I think that it's safe to say that "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" holds in this case. Yes, if someone copies your wheel selection, or does the same "little touch" that makes your car yours, then your car is no longer unique, but it is still your car, and if that person did that modification because they looked at your car and said "Man, that looks really, really cool. That's what I've been looking for," then you should be even more proud of your modification, because it not only pleases you, but someone else who authentically admires your car. Be happy that your car now makes two (or more people) genuinely pleased. Obviously, if some trend-follower comes along and sees that "everyone" is doing that same thing to their car, they are no longer doing it for themselves, they are doing it so other people will notice them. |
I know several people in different facets of the automotive enthusiast community, some of which are the ones copying the trend b/c that's what everybody else does and they have no individuality and I also know people who like their vehicles unique to just them...and while I much rather see a 1 of kind, 1 off, custom, never been done before there's something to be said for a clean, neat well done that I may have seen before but maybe has a lot more craftsmanship in it...In every enthusiast communtity there is going to be those that stand out and those that wanna follow and most of us in the end really only modify our vehicles for us and as long as it makes us happy who cares what everyone else has seen or built...Great write up Brad
TheCarLounge.net GranTurismoOmologato "When the hell did this happen?!?"
|