Wow... I haven't done any research, so $7k strikes me as a huge price diff...
not to mention the additional costs for installing coilovers on the GTI.

I'm willing to bet that this one still has the spacers in the suspension for shipping. The ones that I have seen on dealer lots ready for driving are not that bad.

The GTI has better seats

The SI has a LSD

The GTI has DSG as an option

The GTI can be chipped for 250hp and 300# tq

The K20 also does well with a hondata reflash ~20hp

It comes down to taste. The SI is cheaper, less practical, a little more raw edge performance. The GTI is $3-5k more, is much nicer inside and with all the torque is much easier to drive quick. I'd cream over a SI hatch.

Or you could just get a GIAC chip for about $500 and blow the doors off the Honda!

Why does one have to be better than the other? Can't they both just be great cars?

Then again I drink Coke and Pepsi...

That and some BBS CH rims and it would be amazing in my mind.

I love them. I want them for my Passat

In the mk5 forum...

The shocks are the same...only different spring (see part #)...

Quote, originally posted by Italy571 »

Does anyine know anything about these wheels? Will we get them in America? I love them. I want them for my Passat

i think those are the 19" wheels from the european phaeton.

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Too many people are making it out to have a Touareg's ride height, IMO.

As for which one I'd buy...I can see myself in a black GTI with the 18" wheels and DSG.

"Think, you humans who are split into two worlds, unless you want the gulf between humans to expand into oblivion, you must think!"

And for the life of me I cannot fathom how anyone could possibly want an Si over the GTI.

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'94 cx hatch w/ jdm b18c gsr (itr cams, tranny) - 14.0@99
'98 integra gs - b20 swapped

Bro, your doubt is understandable...but they already dynoed the gains...and it is about 250hp and 300lb-ft. First off, the 2.0T has a bigger displacement...2nd, it has higher compression with direct injection. Third, I believe the chip raises the boost (both mk4 and mk5)...why why can't it get 250hp?

Btw...the torque...200lb-ft stock...300lb-ft chipped. I believe they come up to that peak at around 1800-2000rpm...almost like a diesel.

Even if you buy a GTI and a chip, you will be spending thousands more than the Si (Si w/ navi, btw). Those thousands can then by translated to FI for the Honda, and it will kill the GTI.

If I were to get a gti, I would stay far away from 18" wheels. I have them on my R32 and I am definately ready for 17".

Could someone please explain NHS's reasoning behind that ?
I hope it's not because of the high sitting bumpers on SUVs.

Screw the poor!!!

So pretty much an 06, the MKVI is coming 07 hahahah.

VW

I've seen some MKV GTI's with Good, Bad, and OK ride heights. It is all the angle of the photo. GO LOOK AT ONE IN PERSON.. it isn't any worse than my 05 MKIV GTI

If you want that low look, either get the 18's or buy an aftermarket suspention. STOP CRYING

Quote, originally posted by Wrenhaven »

Wonder what the poll results would be if posted on Honduh tech or something

Skewed, and biased, just like they are on this site

Somehow, this question sounds like an attack on the GTI(purposely).

Quote, originally posted by Edmunds? »

Those new dimensions have added 95 pounds to the Si's curb weight, and have swiped almost 3 inches of rear legroom. Unless you hang with supermodels and NBA stars, the car's backseat remains usable. And let's face it, if you're driving a Civic, even an Si, you ain't hangin' with Tyra and Shaq. Honda says it can seat five. Good luck with that.

Si:
Curb weight, lbs.: 2,877

GTI:
Curb weight: 3178 lb

Both are curb weights doesn't include options, I think.

How is it an attack, he's just trying to put the hp numbers in perspective, something you can't do untill you know the weight.

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Si: Curb weight, lbs.: 2,877 GTI: Curb weight: 3178 lb Both are curb weights doesn't include options, I think.

The Si really doesn't have any options other than nav. The GTI's weight can be expected to grow when the sunroof is added.

Can someone back up these thft claims with facts? The Integra/RSX went from bieng the most stolen car ever to bieng lower than a 1.8T GTI on the latest lists I've seen. Immobilizers and standard security alarms make a pretty big difference as do power locks, I'm pretty sure the new Si will see the same transformation in theft rates that the Integra/RSX saw.

Exactly, HP means nothing to me without knowing how much the car weighs..
Also, something most people do not think about when hearing how much power a car has.