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Don't call the New Beetle "retro." It may be styled in the image of Volkswagen's famous Type I, a fourth-generation Golf in the body of a snub-nosed, high-roof coupé. It may even share its name with the air-cooled käfer and be responsible for re-introducing legions of kids to the game of punchbuggy. But retro it's not."Being pegged as 'retro' really paints the car into a corner," explained my friend Tonya, whose yellow New Beetle was parked in front of a café where we were having coffee. "Because if it's supposed to look like an older car, then you can't really... Full Story and Gallery
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Re: VWvortex: Road Test 2006 New Beetle 2.5 (Bryan@VMG) » | « » 10:30 AM 3-24-2006 | |
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And thus rings the death nell for the New Beetle.
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no 1.8T??uh where is the appeal now?? VR6 perhaps later down the road? or will this now just be seen as a teenage girls car?
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Re: (Memphis R32) » | « » 11:57 AM 3-24-2006 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by Memphis R32 » | | ...will this now just be seen as a teenage girls car? |
Fuuny u should say that man cuz I've yet to see a guy driving an '06...
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Re: (Memphis R32) » | « » 12:03 PM 3-24-2006 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by Memphis R32 » | | no 1.8T?? |
The 1.8T has bowed out for MY2006. The only engines available are the 2.5 and the 1.9 TDI. | Quote » | | VR6 perhaps later down the road? |
I wouldn't hold out hope for that; the Beetle never saw the VR6 in the US, even when Mk.IV production was in full swing.
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Re: (Memphis R32) » | « » 12:17 PM 3-24-2006 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by Memphis R32 » | no 1.8T?? uh where is the appeal now? |
You do realise the most powerful VAG engines in North America are Inline-5's right? Equipped with a turbocharger and that bettle will walk all over 1.8T,2.0FSiT & VR6's.
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Re: (Wizard-of-OD) » | « » 12:20 PM 3-24-2006 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by Wizard-of-OD » | | Equipped with a turbocharger and that bettle will walk all over 1.8T,2.0FSiT & VR6's. |
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Re: (Parklife) » | « » 12:27 PM 3-24-2006 | |
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I wouldent dought if a 2.0t goes in it to complement the turboS, that would prolly be not anytime soon. But from a comparison stand point against other cars on the market, people dont buy the beetle beacuse of the stuff it comes with they buy it becasue it's a beetle. its very rare that I get a customer looking into the cooper and the beetle, it's usually the customer saying "ive always wanted one" or "ive had one 50 years ago" or "its cute". With the beetle everything above the base is just gravy its really one of the last things people on a beetle look at. When some one comes in to see one its "let me look at is and what color can i get it in" (not your average customer). the car honestly really dosent have a catagorie that it can be placed it and id hate to say it even though mexico never stoped producing the car to the state its "retro" no matter how you lay it out. Big flat seats. "beetle" name and shape (lol) MKIV platform. it is what it is. Its the best selling car of all time becasue of what it is not what it comes with! The beetle generation will all die off some day and people will still buy it because its cut or they have always wanted one or my grandparents loved theirs. The people that buy them love them and the people that dont wont be cought dead in one. Its what the older generation calls he "volkswagen" when that want to see one!
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Re: (NatroVR6) » | « » 12:42 PM 3-24-2006 | |
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yeah hopefully the 2.0T will follow...not that I would ever buy a bettle anyway, but it would make for a fun car!
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Re: (NatroVR6) » | « » 12:48 PM 3-24-2006 | |
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I have a 01' 1.8t and a 02' 1.8t and I gotta say that I love my Beetles...however I wish VW would stop with the whole "retro/theme" car status that the Beetle and PT Cruiser tend to hold....the Turbo S was a beautiful car put together with great options (including all white dash lights!) VW needs to do more cars like the Turbo S and a more toned down version of the RSI for the U.S. market.....all I gotta say is if you build it they will come haha Beetles have great potential for the aftermarket world if you do them up correctly and plus the car is just an awesome road worthy car....take one out to drive, you wont be dissapointed  My baby for views..... 

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Re: VWvortex: Road Test 2006 New Beetle 2.5 (Bryan@VMG) » | « » 12:50 PM 3-24-2006 | |
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Re: (Wizard-of-OD) » | « » 12:54 PM 3-24-2006 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by Wizard-of-OD » | | ...and that bettle will walk all over... |
| Quote, originally posted by Ted » | | ...not that I would ever buy a bettle anyway... |
If ONE MORE of you non-Beetle owners mispells it again I'm gonna hafta come over there and...
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Re: (VW PAUL) » | « » 12:58 PM 3-24-2006 | |
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We're talkin' the '06's Paul, but I like your wheels anyway...
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Re: VWvortex: Road Test 2006 New Beetle 2.5 (Bryan@VMG) » | « » 1:00 PM 3-24-2006 | |
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i like the new look, not too much change but enough. and is that car really only 3k lbs. if so that 2.5 will work just fine. although i hope the 2.0 FSI is someware in the future.
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Re: VWvortex: Road Test 2006 New Beetle 2.5 (roccostud) » | « » 1:49 PM 3-24-2006 | |
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That's one of the best write-ups you guys have ever done (I didn't even notice any spelling or grammar errors ). I think you described the car spot-on.It's too bad that the Beetle has to be such a slouch now. With the new styling it looks incredible. It seems like it's going the route of the last generation of cabrios. It has only the base engine, it's got vitrually no performance options....like the cabrio it's turned into a car made mostly for girls who just want a "cute" car. Would have liked to see them rework the suspension and put some zing into it. Maybe next time.
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Re: VWvortex: Road Test 2006 New Beetle 2.5 (gravitymachine) » | « » 1:53 PM 3-24-2006 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by gravitymachine » | | It's too bad that the Beetle has to be such a slouch now. With the new styling it looks incredible. It seems like it's going the route of the last generation of cabrios. It has only the base engine, it's got vitrually no performance options....like the cabrio it's turned into a car made mostly for girls who just want a "cute" car. |
Ya nailed it dood  and I'll never sell my 'old' NB 1.8T!  
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Sorry I had a brain lapse. I mean the 2.0T is not comming in these cars either?? The article makes it sound like the only engine will be the deisel or the 2.5
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Welcome to 2006 where Inline-5's rule.Enjoy the video...
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Re: (Memphis R32) » | « » 2:34 PM 3-24-2006 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by Memphis R32 » | | I mean the 2.0T is not comming in these cars either?? |
NEVER GONNA HAPPEN...
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Re: (Wizard-of-OD) » | « » 2:41 PM 3-24-2006 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by Wizard-of-OD » | Welcome to 2006 where Inline-5's rule.Enjoy the video... |
Cool video man, thx for the link, but the 1.8T, the 2.0T, the VR6 and the V5 guys will ALL say they rule...
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Re: VWvortex: Road Test 2006 New Beetle 2.5 (Bryan@VMG) » | « » 4:25 PM 3-24-2006 | |
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That engine cover looks playskool. Odd. It needs more power (2.0T) and it needs to be redesigned a little further. Research must have shown that the Beetle's look is more of a selling point than its performance. There is always the aftermarket. I still like it.
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Re: VWvortex: Road Test 2006 New Beetle 2.5 (Bryan@VMG) » | « » 4:31 PM 3-24-2006 | |
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Well, I'm probably the only guy that's owned 2 2006 Beetles so far, a 1.9L TDI and a 2.5L convertible. Here are my impressions:-I wouldn't own a coupe. I only bought one because of the cheap TDI-and regretted it ($24,000 for a stripped Jetta TDI? My God! Get off your Brazilian prostiture and look at the economics!) This is a "go manual or go home" car. Like in all VWs (including the DSG), the automatics suck. They want to shift at the wrong time, and the response time (put your foot down, wait for shift) is measured in seconds. The convertible is still the finest drop-top for less than 30-grand, unless you're small enough to fit in a cooper-in which case you have your own problems. Styling: Overall, the styling upgrades are nice. A lot of the break-off/fall off parts have finally been replaced with more robust components. The car materials look and feel more stable. If only the speedometer wasn't so slow and squirrely Performance: TDI- YUCK!! Never again will I just "trust VW". This was my first PD TDI (owned 3 previous TDIs) and I hated every minute of it. It redlines at what? Oil changes (not using that Castrol crap) are going to cost me $70? New fuel filter every 10,000 miles (just pull yours and look, then forget the 20,000 mi interval)? Gone was the robust fuel efficient growl I had loved. Now it was a whiney brat that never seemed to want to go. I never counted seconds to 60 until this engine. Also, i couldn't keep the damn thing out of the shop. It spent 4 weeks of the 4 months I had it in the shop. Damn DSG. Yuck!! 5 cyl-Sorry, but I'm a old-school Audi guy, so I LOVE inline 5s, but only with a manual transmission. It's not a fantastic performance engine but it's a nice balance of all things. It's not a high-output for displacement engine, so it should have a longer life when properly maintained. I prefer this engine to the 1.8T (I've owned 1.8s in Golf, Passat, and Beetles as well). The 1.8T always felt like it was trying too hard, especially with the high compression banging the car around with only minor adjustments to the throttle. I preferred the Vr6 in the GTI IV, and the news that the 5-cyl was in the Beetle made we want one again. I don't know what the reviewer is talking about, as I was shocked by how the personality of the car changes about 65 mph. I make 10-20 mph adjustments to pass on the freeway using the cruise control. It just feels robust an powerful in a way my GTI Vr6 and TDI PD never did. Part of that odd growl is the 5-cyl, and if you've done time in a coupe GT, it's comforting. I love this convertible. Comparing this car to my 2004 GTI Vr6- it's a toss up. Now that the GTI isn't $4000 less, I'd take the '06 convertible every time.
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Re: VWvortex: Road Test 2006 New Beetle 2.5 (NeoAtreides) » | « » 4:32 PM 3-24-2006 | |
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Oh, and the new black interior is not black/grey, it's blackout! FINALLY!!!!! no 2-tone interior (except the windshield trim, but that can be easily fixed).
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Re: VWvortex: Road Test 2006 New Beetle 2.5 (NeoAtreides) » | « » 5:25 PM 3-24-2006 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by article » | | considering that the New Beetle is more aerodynamic going backwards. |
is this actually true, or is that just a little random quip that was thrown into the article?
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Re: VWvortex: Road Test 2006 New Beetle 2.5 (NeoAtreides) » | « » 7:03 PM 3-24-2006 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by NeoAtreides » | | Oh, and the new black interior is not black/grey, it's blackout! FINALLY!!!!! no 2-tone interior (except the windshield trim, but that can be easily fixed). |
Agree that the NB desparately needed the total black interior. Too bad that VW decided to not upgrade the suspension along with the engine (2.5l) and the visual "refreshening". Along with the author, I was also one of the first owners of a 98 NB (in the USA) and while in 98, the NB suspension was competitive. But for 06, sorry, but the same old choppy NB ride doesn't cut it - especially when compared to a similarly priced MKV Jetta VE (or even a new Civic). I suspect that VW has lost interest in the NB and plans on picking up a few more chickmobile NB convertible buyers before killing off the NB.
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Re: VWvortex: Road Test 2006 New Beetle 2.5 (joe13472000) » | « » 8:07 PM 3-24-2006 | |
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I think the beetle probably needs to die away or get some serious re-adjustment. However, we sold tons, and I mean TONS of used beetles at our dealership. There are still lots of people who want to buy them, but in the $10-14K range, with sunroof/leather etc. Not many people could stomach paying full sticker for a car now so out-classed.Still looks good.
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Re: VWvortex: Road Test 2006 New Beetle 2.5 (Elbows) » | « » 8:27 PM 3-24-2006 | |
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Does it also, have one of these ?
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Re: VWvortex: Road Test 2006 New Beetle 2.5 (Bryan@VMG) » | « » 12:06 AM 3-25-2006 | |
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I can't find the link, but one of the Vortex Editors (George Achorn IIRC) long ago suggested basing the Beetle off the Polo platform, and making it into an inexpensive Mini fighter.Too bad VW didn't listen. Now the Bug will die for sure, and no amount of crap (e.g. free iPods, factory Satellite radio) can resuscitate it. This New New Beetle is, at best, a half-assed refresh.
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Re: VWvortex: Road Test 2006 New Beetle 2.5 (Helicon Twist) » | « » 1:24 AM 3-25-2006 | |
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I'm a current Mini drive and I'm really hoping that the 2.0T makes it to the NB one day. If not, I'll happily pick the 4-door GTI. I just hope build quality and warranty issues don't break the miniscule momentum (however slight) that VW has right now.
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I am not a Beetle enthusiast I am a VAG enthusiast.I have owned quattros, Rabbits, Golfs, Jettas, roccos, raddos, air cooleds ... hmmm pretty much everything except an A8, A6 and any variation of a Passat.. I will correct that in the future. When I think Volkswagen the first image that pops into my head is the Beetle then the GTi. When I think Audi... I think Quattro. I think that in many ways VW dropped the ball with the Beetle. It should be thier base model, be cheap, reliable, fun to drive, be bigger on the inside than on the outside and should make you want to pat it on the fender when you walk by. It has succeeded on some of those levels but the cheap and reliable front have left a lot to be desired. I would really like to see VW go back to the drawing board and come up with a 2600-2800lb version, with a Diesel, a small high economy FSi engine and a performance version for us dorks that need Mo' Powah. Currently I am driving an Old Bug and a New Bug... but in all honesty.. If something like the Lupo GTi (out of production) the Polo or maybe even the Fox were available here. I would buy one in a heart beat as my daily driver.
I love my cheap and freindly VW's and so does the rest of the world... when will VW figure out that we are part of that world?
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Re: (eunos94) » | « » 12:06 PM 3-25-2006 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by eunos94 » | | I love my cheap and friendly VW's and so does the rest of the world... |
I agree completely, that's why I drive an '84 Jetta GLI! and... I envy you your ownership record, way to go! All the best, -Glenn
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I do not get the issue with 2.5 that folks are having here! 2.5l the base engine make 150hp, and that is the same as the 1.8t that I paid extra for on my 1999 NB, and on my 2005 NBC. It's clear the guy does not like the NB, but at least he could get the facts right.
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Re: (ach60) » | « » 9:03 PM 3-25-2006 | |
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Fact is a 1.8t is easy to tune and has cheap easy potential where the 2.5 will take a bit of cash to get it in the same leage. 2.0T is def needed in the NB. I also agree they should have a cheap simple car thats what VW is saposed to be all about ill take a late model Lupo send em over 12k-14k would be fine
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Re: VWvortex: Road Test 2006 New Beetle 2.5 (Bryan@VMG) » | « » 11:18 PM 3-25-2006 | |
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I find the comments about the acceleration strange since the 2.5 has the same HP output as the 1.8T and 8 lb-ft more torque than the 1.8T.
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312/518 IL/NY
99.5 gti glx
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the beetle is great... in aftermarket flavor. its kinda to run of the mill when you see one going down the road. i almost considered selling my mk4 gti just cuz of how many i see every day. thought i could do more different things to a beetle. they look hawt with tastefull mods
no comment :.
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