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Has anyone heard of problems with tinted windows on the Eos? Specifically, a problem when you leave the tinted windows UP with the top DOWN? I have a problem where the sun's reflection on the interior of the window appears to have caused excessive heat to the door panal, resulting in damage. Any thoughts?
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Have never heard of your issues but I dont see why you couldnt tint the windows on an EOS. Any quality shop can do it. I've also noticed a few ebay sales of pre-cut EOS tints, but I have heard bad things buying pre-cuts.



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What is your tint %?



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I have had tintend windows on my EOS for 2 months now - no problems as of yet
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30% tint on Eos. Tint was put on in my garage (a mobile company). Car was backed-out to use space to tint a 2nd car. Windows were up (to dry) with the top down. Car was in sun 20-40 min when damage was noted. Sun reflected off of INTERIOR of window (thru the open top) and melted the vinyl on the door panel.
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Car was in sun 20-40 min when damage was noted. Sun reflected off of INTERIOR of window (thru the open top) and melted the vinyl on the door panel.

Can you post a picture of it? That's a little hard to believe that the interior of a convertible melted after being in the sun for about ½ hour.



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Hard to believe is right. I was shocked; the tint guy appeared shocked; my neighbors were shocked. I have pictures and will try to attach when I get back home Saturday.
It looks like a laser melted/cut a 6" line across the top. An additional 8 - 10" line was heated, but didn't cut all the way through.
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Did you watch your tint guy do the work? If he was using a heat gun was it possible he caused the damage?
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Did you watch your tint guy do the work? If he was using a heat gun was it possible he caused the damage?


I'd bet on that in a second.



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At first look, I thought the tint guy cut it with his razor, but once I closed the door the sunlight reflection was directed back to the damage and again heated the vinyl to a point that was extremely hot to the touch.
I had watched the tint guy do the install and I closely inspected everything prior to pulling the car out of the garage.
I'll try to post a photo Saturday and see what you guys think.
Thanks for your feedback.
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I have 20% on my black on black Eos and have not had any problems but then again we have not have the high heat you have
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Can you post a picture of it? That's a little hard to believe that the interior of a convertible melted after being in the sun for about ½ hour.

No, not hard to believe at all. I once parked my motorcycle in front of a large commercial garage door that had been 'tinted' with reflective film. When I came back (about a half an hour later) there was smoke rising from the vinyl seat cover of the motorcycle - the vinyl had totally melted, and the cover was destroyed. The cause of the problem was that one of the (plastic) windows on the garage door was slightly concave, and it was focusing the bright sunlight right onto the seat of the motorcycle.

If the tinting material used on the car was reflective in any way, I can easily accept that the curved car window (convex on the inside) would concentrate sunlight in one spot and this would cause harm. This is why OEM window tints are never, ever reflective.

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Has anyone heard of problems with tinted windows on the Eos?

First question: Where are the radio / remote unlocking antennas located on the Eos? We have had a whole pile of problems arising from folks tinting the back window of the Phaeton. All of the car antennas (about 9 of them) are built into the rear glass of the Phaeton, and if the tinting material used has any metal content whatsoever, it totally screws up the performance of all the antennas (AM, FM, TV, keyless entry, phone, GPS, parking heater, etc.).

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Here's a couple of photos of the damage.

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[img]http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o225/mliggett/Eos/DSC00313.jpg[img]

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I've had no problems with the radio or remotes. I'm not sure where the antenna is for the FM/AM radio or keyless entry, but there is an antenna built into the windshield in the area surrounding the windshield-mounted rearview mirror. However, I'm not sure if this is the radio antenna. My Eos also has Sirius radio, and I'm told that the Sirius antenna is integrated with the rear trunk lid.
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ouch

i'm a strickly stock kind of girl.
.........another reason why.



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Here's a couple of photos of the damage.

That looks exactly like what happened to my motorcycle seat, except that the damage to the motorcycle seat was in a round patch about 4 inches across.

It's quite clear from the shape of the damaged area on your car (exactly parallel to the window glass) that the sun reflected off of the film on the inside of the window glass, and was focused by the concave film directly onto the melted area.

Darn sorry that it happened to you. Thanks, though, for your courtesy in sharing the photos with us.

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I'm not calling BS, cause it definatley seems weird no matter how it happened. But it just seems odd that the window tint could cause this kind of focalized damage. I can understand the shape of a conacve material and using reflective tint, but it just seems really out there (again, not discrediting; just looking for answers).

Here's where I am puzzled. Even with a concave shape, any light or waves bounced off the surface are perpendicular to that paricular spot. It would seem that light hitting the concave inside shape of the window would cause a dispersed pattern, maybe getting generally hot or burning a round configuration like the other poster mentioned; but not something focused to a couple millimeters following the curved shape of the door panel. Again, I don't know what happened but it is very odd. I would definitely ask the person who performed the work more questions.

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haven't you ever melted anything as a kid when your parents wouldn't give you matches? sun is a powerful thing. glass gives it direction.



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I agree it's difficult to believe that the sunlight focus would get hot enough to cut through the material -- particuarly since it did it in such a short period of time. But I assure you, the material across the entire door panal was quite hot. If you notice in photo 1, there is an line to the right (forward) of the cut. That line is a thinned spot in the vinyl that was extremely hot. I'm sure that if it had set another 10 min, it would have cut through the entire length of the light-focused area.
By the way, under the vinyl is a material that appears to be a wood composite. It too was hot under the cut. I live in Arizona, and I wonder what would have happened if this had been a 115 degree summer day. A hard one to explain to the insurance company, I'm sure.
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Here's a photo that shows the damage that sun reflecting off of a tinted window on a garage door did to my motorcycle when I parked the moto in front of the door. It's an old photo, taken in 2001 when a 600 megapixel camera was considered hot stuff, hence the poor picture quality. The material that Honda uses to cover motorcycle seats is very similar to the material used for interior trim on cars.

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It's an old photo, taken in 2001 when a 600 megapixel camera was considered hot stuff, hence the poor picture quality.
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600 megapixels I don't think that would cause a poor picture. Must have been dust on the lense

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i believe a megabyte can eat a megapixel------this is like a cell phone camera today. some of the new phones still only have 1-2MB

ask bjorngra----he seems to be the resident eos site photographer of which i am very thankful



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Maybe I got my units of measure wrong... I think it was 600 kilopixels (0.6 megapixels) - anyway, it didn't have very many pixels in it, and it only stored about 25 photos. But, it was the leading edge back in 2001, and cost me about $600 then.

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I was looking at my car earlier today, and ther was definatlely a reflection in that same spot from the window, with the top down. I have no (aftermarket) tint on my car...
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Maybe the problem may have been caused by the dark surfaces absorbing more heat than they could handle.



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Just an update... VW agreed to authorize warrantee replacement of the door panel. They say they want to send it off for testing. That might be true, or could just be lip service, but at least they've agreed to do the right thing and cover it under warranttee. I've been waiting on the part for 5 weeks (apparently it's on a slow boat), but considering that they initially refused to cover it, I guess I shouldn't complain.
Just a warning: If you have tinted windows, keep them down when you have the top down this summer.
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That would have been ridiculous for VW not to cover that. What, you can put tint on every other car in the world, but an Eos, and that is somehow not a deffect of the Eos?

Anyway can you tell us whether the tint you had put on was metalic, what color it was, etc. I'd like to put some tint on mine, but I need to know it won't do that before I do, and other users hadn't had that problem when tinting their cars.

Anyone else want to chime in on tint they have had good success with. And by success, I mean it keeps the sun out AND doesn't destroy the interior of the car

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That would have been ridiculous for VW not to cover that. What, you can put tint on every other car in the world, but an Eos, and that is somehow not a defect of the Eos?

Hi Giles:

Actually, I disagree quite strongly with you on this one. I think it was very gracious of VW to agree to replace the door panel. There is no design fault of any kind with the vehicle. The owner put a reflective film on the inside of a concave surface. The reflection of the sun coming off the film was concentrated in one spot, and it burned through the covering of the door panel.

If you put two Eos side by side on that day, one that was pure stock, exactly the way it left the factory, and the other the one that had the reflective tinting film installed on it, and the only one that encountered problems was the one with the aftermarket film on it, what conclusion would you come to with respect to responsibility for the damage?

C'mon, let's not forget that as adults, we have an obligation to take responsibility for our own actions, regardless of how hard the thousands of ambulance-chasing tort lawyers in America try to convince us otherwise.

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As they have to be responsible for designing a door/window combination that focuses light on a piece of vinyl. If the same tint is used in other cars with similar application, it is a defect in the design of the car, not the tint. As I have stated above, the window/door combination focuses light on the exact spot on the door when it is stock.

What you are saying is like suggesting Pinto owners were at fault for driving their cars where people could rear-end them causing their cars to explode, instead of it being a design flaw in the car that caused the fires.

As far as I know, the OP has never said the tint was more reflective than any other tint on the market. Tinting windows could also by no means be said to be beyond the normal boundaries of acceptable use (unlike say chipping an engine).

I would suggest that the reason they agreed to the repairs and are interested in testing the material, is that they are concerned that their material is under-designed for the application. If they were just trying to placate him, they would have just replaced the door, and nothing further.

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I suppose VW should pay for someone's ticket if they are caught with too dark of film on the window, because VW designed a window that allowed the film to stick? This is one of the risks that one may take when they purchase after market products. There is no way VW can test every possible scenario that may exist in the world.



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Ambulance chasing tort lawyers in America? Must be a Toronto/Zurich misrepresentation of how the law works in our great republic.
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Ambulance chasing tort lawyers in America? Must be a Toronto/Zurich misrepresentation of how the law works in our great republic.

I'd be honored if our "great" republic would learn to take the moral high road that exists in other countries, and I am glad we have a moderator that reminds us of this.



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The fact that a car company can design a window/door combination that focuses light/heat on material with a questionable heat resistance can in no way be compared to a person breaking the motor vehicle laws in his or her region.

I had politely ignored the inflammatory 'lawsuit happy Americans' comment because it has nothing whatsoever to do with the discussion. Nobody is talking about suing anyone.

I am simply saying that if you take 10 different convertibles, put the same tint on all ten, and the Eos is the only one with a melted door panel, it is a design defect in the Eos, and is not the person who put the tint on the car's fault. There is and should be a reasonable expectation that you can tint your windows without the windows melting your door panel.

Perhaps there are not so many people that tint their windows in Canada, but in the southern states, it is a veritable imperative if you don't want your car interior to self-combust in the summer time.

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