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Dolomite: The Triumph of Dare? | « » 11:24 PM 11-4-2006 | |
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Triumph's long-standing tradition of (at least somewhat) sports-oriented sedans was upheld with cars like the smaller, separate-chassis Herald and Vitesse and the larger unitary six-cylinder 2000/2500- both of which lived quite long lives in the marketplace. Whilst people associate BMW and Alfa Romeo with sports ssedans (and in Japan, Prince and then Nissan getting into the act), Triumph has an equally venerable tradition in this genre. Somewhere in between, Triumph introduced the front-wheel drive 1300 in 1965, which was a reasonable success and was up-gunned to the 1500 in 1970.However, Triumph introduced yet another model, the more conventionally-engineered Toledo of 1970- featuring the 1300 engine in a RWD configuration instead of FWD. The Toledo sedan also sold in fair numbers, and would soon give rise to more powerful derivatives- the 1500TC came in 1973 after the FWD 1500 was axed, ending Triumph's dabble with front-drive sedans. The Toledo and 1500TC (the latter having twin carbs, not especially fast but did do around 30mpg) served their purpose well but it was the introduction of an even more powerful derivative the previous year which signified Triumph's intentions with its medium four. The Toledo and 1500TC became Dolomite 1300/1500 in 1976, which lasted to the end of production in 1980. The Dolomite 1850 featured a new OHC slant-four on the Toledo/1500TC platform, with better appointments and even more sporting character. A decent performer for the time, but Triumph decided to up the ante even further with the introduction of the Dolomite Sprint. To say that the Dolomite Sprint was special at the time, that it was something of a sensation, would be an understatement. This is the 1970s we're talking about and exactly what did the Dolomite Sprint offer that made it stand out from the sports sedan crowd of the time? Well, the Sprint offered a new 2.0-litre OHC slant-four with 16 valves- this was BIG, big news in the 1970s, especially on a sedan! With twin carbs and 127bhp, the Sprint was a sensational performer. Tests have shown its 0-60 time to be 8.7 seconds- and by the standards of the day, that was one fast sedan. Furthermore, this is the exact engine that many felt should have been in the TR7 all along- pity it wasn't. All Dolomites ceased production in 1980, bringing down the curtains on old-school rear-drive Triumph sports sedans. Whilst not free of faults, these are genuinely interesting cars- and in 1850 and Sprint form, were fast and more than able to hold its own in the performance stakes in a competitive sports sedan market even if it lacked the chassis refinement of obvious competitors.
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Re: Dolomite: The Triumph of Dare? (David Votoupal) » | « » 11:39 PM 11-4-2006 | |
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The Toledo: The Dolomite 1300: The Dolomite Sprint:
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Re: Dolomite: The Triumph of Dare? (BillTchr) » | « » 12:36 AM 11-5-2006 | |
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The engine range of the 1976-80 Dolomites: Dolomite 1300: 58bhp Dolomite 1500/1500HL: 71bhp Dolomite 1850HL: 91bhp Dolomite Sprint: 127bhpNow back in the 70s, there were 2.0-litre four-cylinder engines from BMW, Alfa Romeo, and even Toyota and Mitsubishi which were roughly in the same power range as the Dolomite Sprint. Even the "lesser" Dolomites were not uncompetitive amongst similar capacity European fours- VW's 1.3 and 1.5 engines of the day weren't very different output-wise IIRC.
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Re: Dolomite: The Triumph of Dare? (David Votoupal) » | « » 1:04 AM 11-5-2006 | |
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The dolomite sprint was, i believe, the fist car available in the the UK with a 16valve motor and Alloy Wheels as standard.They are actually pretty quick!, however the motor needs lots of care.. lots.
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Re: Dolomite: The Triumph of Dare? (Uk in NY) » | « » 2:49 AM 11-5-2006 | |
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That may be the case, but I've heard that compared with the BMC norm in the 70s these cars didn't fare so badly. Presumbly because they were properly developed/sorted out before production started- as opposed to the BMC norm of the time when cars were put on the market and customers were left to complete what the designers and factory forgot  Then again, Triumph did bring us the Stag and the 2.5 PI...
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» | « » 2:52 AM 11-5-2006 | |
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The Sprint looks kinda old Alpha'ish?Cheers - Mike
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Re: (MVZOOM) » | « » 4:07 AM 11-5-2006 | |
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Well it has a split grille...
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My brother restores old Triumphs, in particular TR 6's, Dolomite Sprints, and lately a Stag. I'll dig up an article he recently wrote about his latest Stag and the efforts he put in to make it run reliably (they were notorious for overheating).
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Re: Dolomite: The Triumph of Dare? (BillTchr) » | « » 11:13 AM 11-5-2006 | |
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Dolomite Sprint looks like a Alfa Romeo
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Re: Dolomite: The Triumph of Dare? (lucalucaluca) » | « » 6:58 PM 11-5-2006 | |
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The bottom pic is that of an 1850HL, but that model shares its four-headlight front end with the Sprint and 1500HL.
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Re: Dolomite: The Triumph of Dare? (David Votoupal) » | « » 7:16 PM 11-5-2006 | |
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