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Slayer correct me if i am wrong, but you are using the remnants of the stock coil to anchor the bracket to the engine right? Not actually using it for the ICM or anything though?
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Re: (z3r03d_0ut) » | « » 4:46 PM 5-15-2007 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by z3r03d_0ut » | | Slayer correct me if i am wrong, but you are using the remnants of the stock coil to anchor the bracket to the engine right? Not actually using it for the ICM or anything though? |
yea, basically just using it for a spacer. I could use anything to make up the difference, but i already had that so i figured i'd use it
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Cool, looks good, i'm curious to hear how this works out for you.
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Re: MY EXPEIENCE WITH MSD (Slayer) » | « » 6:47 PM 5-15-2007 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by Slayer » | | I looked to try and find a "male" connector to go into the plug that our VR6 coil pack harness uses so it would be easy to make an adapter harness, but I don't think there is such a thing.. We might just have to snip that plug off and convert it to the bosch 7 pin connector |
OEM VW 357 972 765
 The one to the right. The Left one corresponds to the engine harness of a 2000 VR6, therefore I'm 99% sure that the right one is what you are looking for. Make sure that you have the old style of connector like on the pictures in the beginning of this thread. Otherwise you like myself with the new kind of connector on their coil pack needs the 6X0 973 825 instead. These are empty housings. Appropriate crimp/solder pins to match these connector housings is needed for a complete setup.Old type rectangular plug. 000 979 129 for 1.5mm² wire (for 3 wires from ECU) 000 979 219 for 2.5mm² wire For later version of housing. (with one rounded edge) 000 979 134 for 1.0mm² wire 000 979 134 A for 1.0mm² wire 000 979 226 for 2.5mm² wire 000 979 226 A for 2.5mm² wire (rubber plug 357 972 841 5,6X7,8)
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Re: (Slayer) » | « » 11:28 PM 5-15-2007 | |
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CLEAN! OEM Looking! Please let us know what plug gap works out for you
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Re: MY EXPEIENCE WITH MSD (DanielT) » | « » 12:11 AM 5-16-2007 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by DanielT » | OEM VW 357 972 765
 The one to the right. The Left one corresponds to the engine harness of a 2000 VR6, therefore i'm 99% sure that the right one is what you are looking for. Make sure that you have the old style of connector like on the pictures in the beginning of this thread. Otherwise you like myself with the new kind of connector on their coilpack needs the 6X0 973 825 instead. These are empty housings. Appropriate crimp/solder pins to match these connector housings is needed for a complete setup. |
that does in deed look like what i'm after.. i will have to call up a dealer and see if they can get that part oh, hey did there happen to be a part number for the pin/connectors for this plug? they are slightly different than the type i had to get for the 7 pin plug (junior timer vs junior power timer)
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Re: MY EXPEIENCE WITH MSD (Slayer) » | « » 4:09 AM 5-16-2007 | |
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Sorry, they where on the same place in ETKA, I missed them. 000 979 129 for 1.5mm² wire (for 3 wires from ECU) 000 979 219 for 2.5mm² wireFor later version of housing. (with one rounded edge) 000 979 134 for 1.0mm² wire 000 979 134 A for 1.0mm² wire 000 979 226 for 2.5mm² wire 000 979 226 A for 2.5mm² wire (rubber plug 357 972 841 5,6X7,8)
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Re: MY EXPEIENCE WITH MSD (DanielT) » | « » 10:01 AM 5-16-2007 | |
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Fired up the car for the first time in 5 months ..... using the msd coils and a .7 ohm resistor off a ford mustang i beleieve.... runs AWESOME. Haven't driven it yet, but idle is rock-steady as opposed to last year ...
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Re: (Slayer) » | « » 3:34 PM 5-16-2007 | |
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Slayer nice find I am nearly set to do the MSDs, a faulty ecu was not letting the golf start we are getting closer now Anyone else running a vortech supercharger with the MSD coils ?[IMG][/IMG] A pic before the MSDs
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Re: (golfvr6power) » | « » 4:57 PM 5-16-2007 | |
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Hmm, I recall some FI pics in the old post but I can't recall the exact set-up.
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Re: (jamesn67) » | « » 6:09 PM 5-16-2007 | |
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well, bad news so far.. not getting spark. I stood outside in the rain from a thunderstorm (was also tornado watch ) trying to get this going, but all it does is turn over will mess with it some more tomorrow to see if maybe I have something crossed up
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Re: (Slayer) » | « » 9:31 PM 5-16-2007 | |
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 this is my setup i finished a while back but had to take it off for now i can not seem to get it running right it runs great for about 20 miles then starts to miss bad, it droped cyl 6, then i switched the the coiles at the module, swapped 1/6 with 2/5, did the same thing ran great, then dropped cyl 5 so i swapped out the coil with a new one, did the same thing, i am trying to find a new module to try, i have on a good stock coilpack, but i dont want to use it and mess it up
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Re: (Slayer) » | « » 9:01 PM 5-19-2007 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by Slayer » | well, bad news so far.. not getting spark. I stood outside in the rain from a thunderstorm (was also tornado watch ) trying to get this going, but all it does is turn over will mess with it some more tomorrow to see if maybe I have something crossed up |
Can you check your ECU for fault codes with VAG-com? Perhaps you have fault codes for your ignition pins. (open circuit?) It might be that the Bosch/Hüco ICM version that you're using does not have internal pull-up/down resistors. The 3 ignition signals from the ECU might be "floating" at the moment. The VW oem ICM unit does have internal pull-up/down.Someone with more recent electronic skills can verify this. I don't remember if it was pull-up or pull-down I did when I had a piggy-back ECU inline between the ECU and the ICM.
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Re: (DanielT) » | « » 10:27 PM 5-19-2007 | |
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Daniel, thanks for the info, I will check into that. It might just be a pull up resistor because it would almost seem like the icm isn't getting enough signal to actually "wake up" and complete the ground to fire the coils
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Re: (Slayer) » | « » 7:52 AM 5-20-2007 | |
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Slayer: If you have omitted the ~1ohm resistor that limits the current through the coil AND the ICM you might have blown your ICM. The Bosch unit (Hüco too?) is rated for only 8-10 ampere. Actually that might be less than the OEM VR6 ICM.
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Re: (DanielT) » | « » 12:55 PM 5-20-2007 | |
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I almost don't think it got that far.. I never got spark, so it hadn't made a complete circuit with the coil in which it could have burned anything out
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Re: (Slayer) » | « » 2:53 PM 5-20-2007 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by Slayer » | | I almost don't think it got that far.. I never got spark, so it hadn't made a complete circuit with the coil in which it could have burned anything out | Let's hope, but current is drawn as soon as the coil starts charging, you might not even get as far as to the first spark. Exchange each coil with small bulbs, eg. 5watt and check if they light up when 5/12V is applied to the ICM.
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Re: (DanielT) » | « » 7:23 PM 5-20-2007 | |
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will dabble with this a bit more here when i get some time this week and let you guys know what happens
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Re: (Slayer) » | « » 7:41 PM 5-20-2007 | |
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hello Im looking for a product to coat my cracked coilpack Ive seen it in the other thread but dont remember anyone ???
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can anyone find the 6 pin connector online somewhere......i went to radioshack and looked around but cant find the 6 pin connector used to wire the msd coils.....if anyone finds one or knows where to find one please let me know!!!!! thank you
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i need that 6 pin connector as well.....i went to radioshack and autozone but no luck....anyone locate it?
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Re: (DJP944) » | « » 4:37 PM 5-21-2007 | |
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6 pin connector? what are you guys plugging this into?
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Re: (Slayer) » | « » 9:54 PM 5-22-2007 | |
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Update on this (5/23/07): With 12v applied, it works the way it is described and it fires the coils (off the car), so i'm not sure why it metered out backwards last night when I tested it with less voltage
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the 6 pin connector used in the diy on the first page....if anyone can locate one please let me know
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Re: VR6 coilpack atlernative (Cubix) » | « » 10:59 PM 5-22-2007 | |
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Howdy folks...because I just ordered a bracket on ebay, and will be ordering the coils very soon, I wanted to give some input on where to find just about any kind of connector needed, granted I haven't had any luck finding the connector to plug into the cars plug that goes to the ICM, but, there are plenty of other types to choose from to make your own harness if need be.http://www.newark.com http://www.digikey.com http://www.mouser.com http://www.allied.com these are companies I deal with on an almost daily basis ordering parts for my company and you will only find top notch stuff, I'll post more companies names as I go thru the countless catalogs we have and will post pics of my progress once I get all the parts in...
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I dont know if someone has asked this or not, I've skimmed through the posts, but was not able to find it.. Will this coilpack system work with stock ECU?? Thanks.
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| Quote, originally posted by o0bur » | | I dont know if someone has asked this or not, I've skimmed through the posts, but was not able to find it.. Will this coilpack system work with stock ECU?? Thanks. |
Yes. No standalone needed. Basically, you're taking the coilpack, removing the coils, retaining the spacer and ICM and using coils that won't crack from MSD or another source. I'm in the middle of my swap right now, but I'm waiting to see how this newfound ICM replacement will work. It'll save me the hassle of having to make a bracket to conform to the stock CP location. Slayer and a few others are trying to replace the ICM as well. That will be awesome when it's completed because that means we're no longer a slave to VWs crappy CP.
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Re: (VertigoGTI) » | « » 7:30 PM 5-23-2007 | |
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I'm just about done with my setup, but i have one question. With the NGK BKR5EKUP spark plugs, should I adjust the gap at all? The package says not to, but I have no idea what the gap is on them out of the box and I want to increase it to .050" since people have had good luck with that with these coils. I decided I want to increase the gap when I installed these coil and didn't really didn't notice a difference over stock.from what I've read, you get a better power band, more pull, and quicker RPM increase and decrease. I didn't notice any of this. everything did fire right up and i had absolutely no problems with the install though! the only good thing I did notice is that idle is much more solid now. i used to be able to feel slight vibrations in the seat and steering wheel when the car was idling, but not anymore.
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Re: (shapiror) » | « » 7:44 PM 5-23-2007 | |
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I think people are running cheap single electrode (is that what its called) autolites those are easy to gap the NGK dual electro are tricky to gap....
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Re: (VertigoGTI) » | « » 7:51 PM 5-23-2007 | |
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I'm still having trouble getting the huco ICM to work on the car...I hooked it up to a 12v variable power supply and the huco unit DOES fire (off the car). I was able to turn the voltage down as far as the ps would go to 1.25v and it did open the circuit on the huco unit.. the thing is that it only lets .25v through, so that to me means that it needs 1v to function. The problem is, on startup the ecu is only sending out .5v on the trigger wires, which isn't enough to cause the huco to complete the circuit and fire the coils. I also metered the trigger wires while I had the car running (on stock coilpack) and it was at a steady 1.4v and rose to 2.6v at 2k rpm. So.. it would seem that if I was able to get the car to at least *start*, then the huco would be able to work I'm trying to find a way to amplify the trigger voltage on startup, or find something that requres .5v or less to actually complete the circuit
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Re: (ricardo) » | « » 8:54 PM 5-23-2007 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by ricardo » | | ...the NGK dual electro are tricky to gap.... |
how do you gap them? anyone that has these plugs can see that the dual electrodes do not have a flat tip like the regular single elctrodes. they are curved around the tip of the plug. how do you measure the gap between the center tip of the plug and the electrodes and how do you adjust it without damaging the tip?
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| Quote, originally posted by ricardo » | | NGK dual electro are tricky to gap.... |
multi-pronged plugs do not get gapped, they come pre-set at the factory, so don't waste your time trying to adjust the gap, you'll end up getting them wrong and most likely ruin what might of been a perfect plug
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Re: (Slayer) » | « » 9:51 PM 5-23-2007 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by Slayer » | | I'm still having trouble getting the huco ICM to work on the car... I hooked it up to a 12v variable power supply and the huco unit DOES fire (off the car). I was able to turn the voltage down as far as the ps would go to 1.25v and it did open the circuit on the huco unit.. the thing is that it only lets .25v through, so that to me means that it needs 1v to function. The problem is, on startup the ecu is only sending out .5v on the trigger wires, which isn't enough to cause the huco to complete the circuit and fire the coils. I also metered the trigger wires while I had the car running (on stock coilpack) and it was at a steady 1.4v and rose to 2.6v at 2k rpm. So.. it would seem that if I was able to get the car to at least *start*, then the huco would be able to work I'm trying to find a way to amplify the trigger voltage on startup, or find something that requres .5v or less to actually complete the circuit |
anyway to find out from a Volvo owner ? They could measure the voltage and see if it's different from the VW ecu.
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Re: (SlowMotion) » | « » 10:14 PM 5-23-2007 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by SlowMotion » | anyway to find out from a Volvo owner ? They could measure the voltage and see if it's different from the VW ecu. |
well, I don't know anyone with a volvo.. let alone one that would actually have this unit
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