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Project 2.2 20V - A Complete STEP-BY-STEP Performance Build Up | « » 3:17 AM 7-13-2007 | |
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This one is for Stu...Bentley/Haynes owners need not apply So after much anticipation all the parts are finally here to get this project going:
 The idea here is to finally DOCUMENT what needs to be done when placing a crankshaft greater than 92.8mm stroke into a VW Block be it 9A,ABA,06A,etc.This particular project will involve me putting a 99mm Oettinger crankshaft into an ABA block.Granted 06A blocks are no where near the same as ABA blocks,but the users can take what they need from the build thread.The main components of the engine are listed as follows: | Quote, originally posted by 2144cc 20V Engine » | Project Specs: * Lower Half : The Block & Oiling system - ABF Block bored to 83mm - 83mm 9.0:1 JE Pistons - 99mm Oettinger Crankshaft - 1.9TD Crankshaft Pulley - SCAT 159mm/21mm Forged Connecting Rods + ARP 2000 bolts - Eurospec Crank girdle kit + ARP Main studs - Raceware 20V head studs - Modified IM shaft + Autotech 52T Solid camshaft gear - ARE Dry sump oil pump - VW Supervee Dry sump oil pan - Moroso Oil tank resevoir* Upper Half : The Head - AEB Cylinder Head polished & match ported exhaust - Supertech Intake - Supertech Exhaust valves - Supertech Valve springs & Ti Retainers - CAT 1003756 Billet Camshafts - Rosten Performance Solid lifters + QED lash caps - Autotech 52T Adjustable Camshaft Gear - AGN Valve cover + 12AN cap fitting * Ignition,Turbo,Intake & Fueling System: - 034EFi Stage IIc SEM system - (4) 034EFi Direct Fire Coils - 9A 16V Plug Wires - Garrett T3/T67 Turbocharger (0.82 A/R) - 034 Motorsport IMSA GT Tubular exhaust manifold + Ceramic coating - INA Oil + Coolant supply/return kit - TiAL 44mm Wastegate - TiAL 50mm Blow-Off Valve - INA Intake manifold - OBD-1 VR6 throttle body + 3"Wiggins Clamp - (2) 034EFi Fuel Rails - SX Engineering Fuel filter - SX Engineering Fuel Pressure Regulator - (4) Genesis 550cc Injectors (primary) - (4) Genesis 720cc Injectors (secondary) - (2) Bosch 044 MS Fuel pumps
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What will be my main focus?Simple:
| Quote, originally posted by Main Focus » | * How to take measurements and what exactly to look for in your build * Clearancing of #1,2 & 3 Oil Squirters to match that of cylinder #4 * Clearancing of side walls to match SCAT 159/21mm connectings WITHOUT interfering with the water cooling passages * How to install a crankshaft girdle correctly so that it wont leak * Chosing the right Turbocharger for your application * How to install the valves,valve springs & retaining clips --> basically how to rebuild your cylinder head. * Doing this all on a budget (will elaborate later)
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Mirror (thanks Jay) sent me a link to a project on evolutionm.net and I will be using some of the same principles in my build in terms of checking piston ring clearance,etc.Now as usual if there are any suggestions or requests you guys would like to see then send me a pm or simply post in here. As with many projects,everything takes time and MONEY (lots of it).Some of the parts for this build were sourced from right here in the FI classifieds,ebay and other discount outlets.It really does not make sense purchasing some parts new when they can be achieved for 50% less here/elsewhere.What does this do?This helps out US as a community. My philosophy is simple,I like to share what I learn and I like to hang around those who believe the same way.It annoys me when some users post here but dont "give back" or share what they know...fortunately for me I have learnt some great things some of the best and they deserve alot of credit:
The block gets bored tomorrow morning @ 0900 ,hence beginning the project so until then ask/request away! Thanks again, Issam Abed p.s. Click on the links below and you could save a Volkswagen/Audi today
 
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Re: Project 2.2 20V - A Complete STEP-BY-STEP Performance Build Up (Wizard-of-OD) » | « » 3:43 AM 7-13-2007 | |
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are you goign to use a gt28r or 28rs?
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Re: Project 2.2 20V - A Complete STEP-BY-STEP Performance Build Up (Wizard-of-OD) » | « » 3:44 AM 7-13-2007 | |
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Re: Project 2.2 20V - A Complete STEP-BY-STEP Performance Build Up (wolfsburg2) » | « » 7:32 AM 7-13-2007 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by wolfsburg2 » | | are you goign to use a gt28r or 28rs? |
- Garrett GT3082R Turbocharger (0.82 A/R) Why the 1.9TD crank pulley? isn't it the same as a 20v/16v one?
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Re: Project 2.2 20V - A Complete STEP-BY-STEP Performance Build Up (Wizard-of-OD) » | « » 8:58 AM 7-13-2007 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by Wizard-of-OD » | | - 034 Motorsport Intake manifold |
Thats a rebadged ABD right
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Any not the Bosch that BF! sells?
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Re: Project 2.2 20V - A Complete STEP-BY-STEP Performance Build Up (polov8) » | « » 9:53 AM 7-13-2007 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by polov8 » | - Garrett GT3082R Turbocharger (0.82 A/R) Why the 1.9TD crank pulley? isn't it the same as a 20v/16v one?
| no the 1.8t is 86.7mm stroke whereas the TDI is 95.5mm stroke
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Re: Project 2.2 20V - A Complete STEP-BY-STEP Performance Build Up (Wizard-of-OD) » | « » 10:17 AM 7-13-2007 | |
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what's the budget?
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Re: Project 2.2 20V - A Complete STEP-BY-STEP Performance Build Up (the_q_jet) » | « » 10:53 AM 7-13-2007 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by the_q_jet » | | no the 1.8t is 86.7mm stroke whereas the TDI is 95.5mm stroke |
I know the Crank is different, I read the original post! I'm talking about the Crank pulley. Why not use a 16v/20v one?
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Re: Project 2.2 20V - A Complete STEP-BY-STEP Performance Build Up (polov8) » | « » 11:26 AM 7-13-2007 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by polov8 » | - Garrett GT3082R Turbocharger (0.82 A/R) Why the 1.9TD crank pulley? isn't it the same as a 20v/16v one?
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Most likely Issam is going to be using a GT4088. What would the purpose be of building a 2.2 liter and just strapping a 28rs/2871 or a 3082 if those would do just fine on the 2.0 ABA block. His plans are to make 700whp and thats only going to happen with a big ass turbo, plus he wants to make more power then what I am making with my 2.0(ATW) which is making around 600whp now.
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Re: Project 2.2 20V - A Complete STEP-BY-STEP Performance Build Up (Wizard-of-OD) » | « » 11:31 AM 7-13-2007 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by Wizard-of-OD » | | - Garrett GT3082R Turbocharger (0.82 A/R) |
That's not a typo is it? I would think a GT3582 would be a better choice. I've read that thread on evolutionm a few times now. great write up.
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Re: Project 2.2 20V - A Complete STEP-BY-STEP Performance Build Up (DarkSideGTI) » | « » 11:37 AM 7-13-2007 | |
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the 3082 will be fine. issam is not a drag racer, so a 35r will cause more lag coming out of turns. write up looks promising man.  i take it you plan on running a dry sump system on this engine?
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Re: Project 2.2 20V - A Complete STEP-BY-STEP Performance Build Up (polov8) » | « » 11:51 AM 7-13-2007 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by polov8 » | I know the Crank is different, I read the original post! I'm talking about the Crank pulley. Why not use a 16v/20v one? |
From what I understand the crank does not have the keyway for the regular pully. Someone I know built a similar setup for someones car a few yeras ago.. he explained it to me but I forget exactly what he said the differences were.
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Like the setup, this is where Im coming from, what are the top rev this setup can spin?Does the increase stoke lower the rev capacity? how does this affect a big turbo setup when you want more power band, and be able to rev to like 8500 rpm?
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Re: (2.0tRedbull) » | « » 2:07 PM 7-13-2007 | |
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Right on bro!!!! What kind of lifters are we using? Maybe i didnt see that in the post.
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Re: Project 2.2 20V - A Complete STEP-BY-STEP Performance Build Up (mirror) » | « » 2:08 PM 7-13-2007 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by mirror » | | the 3082 will be fine. issam is not a drag racer, so a 35r will cause more lag coming out of turns. write up looks promising man.  i take it you plan on running a dry sump system on this engine? Modified by mirror at 8:38 AM 7-13-2007
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I have a friend running a GT35r .63 A/R on his Evo 2.3 stroker and I have to say there is very little lag at all but also makes 590whp.
| Quote, originally posted by 2.0tRedbull » | | Like the setup, this is where Im coming from, what are the top rev this setup can spin? Does the increase stoke lower the rev capacity? how does this affect a big turbo setup when you want more power band, and be able to rev to like 8500 rpm? |
No the longer stroke shouldn't lower the rev limits, my rev limiter is set at 8500 rpm and hit that when running the 1/4 mile.
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Re: Project 2.2 20V - A Complete STEP-BY-STEP Performance Build Up (Audi2ptzero) » | « » 2:30 PM 7-13-2007 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by Audi2ptzero » | I have a friend running a GT35r .63 A/R on his Evo 2.3 stroker and I have to say there is very little lag at all but also makes 590whp.
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great? i have locals who run 35r's on their 2L blocks, 8.8 oem c/r and see almost no lag...the 3082r is a great turbo for what the op is using it for. even 500whp he will have issues laying the power down with the quat set-up, unless he runs super stickys for the track.
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Re: Project 2.2 20V - A Complete STEP-BY-STEP Performance Build Up (Audi2ptzero) » | « » 2:31 PM 7-13-2007 | |
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Finally mike your car is showing its power.. 134mph is moving
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Re: Project 2.2 20V - A Complete STEP-BY-STEP Performance Build Up (Audi2ptzero) » | « » 2:34 PM 7-13-2007 | |
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Looking good ,how many whp are you looking for? I am using the 3082 also. Good luck with the build up. Roy
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Re: Project 2.2 20V - A Complete STEP-BY-STEP Performance Build Up (O2VW1.8T) » | « » 5:45 PM 7-13-2007 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by O2VW1.8T » | Finally mike your car is showing its power.. 134mph is moving |
Yeah not too bad seeing that I left the line at 1800 rpm and the track is uphill. Car should hit 137-138 once I launch it hard again. The 2.8 tranny was really keeping me out of the 130's.
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Re: (2.0tRedbull) » | « » 8:11 PM 7-13-2007 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by polov8 » | - Garrett GT3082R Turbocharger (0.82 A/R)? |
Thanks for that Andy
| Quote, originally posted by polov8 » | | Why the 1.9TD crank pulley? isn't it the same as a 20v/16v one? |
Check out the harmonic damper on this thing:
 When I contacted ATI for a custom harmonic damper they wanted a crazy amount of money.The stock TDi crank as you know is 95.5mm.I figured VW must have known what they were doing when they made a crankshaft pulley like this!If it worked for them it most certainly will work for me.I had no intentions of running a light weight pulley rotating a crank this large.We all saw what happened with Mike Hood's engine & others when you start messing around with lightening the crankshaft or the pulley's proving Bob's statements.
| Quote, originally posted by Boostin20v » | Thats a rebadged ABD right |
You know it
| Quote, originally posted by Boostin20v » | Any not the Bosch that BF! sells? |
Could be
| Quote, originally posted by the_q_jet » | | no the 1.8t is 86.7mm stroke whereas the TDI is 95.5mm stroke |
86.4 (I know its a typo,just correcting it for future readers.)
| Quote, originally posted by mirror » | | the 3082 will be fine. issam is not a drag racer, so a 35r will cause more lag coming out of turns. |
Bingo.My goal was basically 500whp and have as limited lag as possible.The GT3082R showed promising results and it is what Calado recommended.Later on I will post compressor maps and why it is the turbo for me.
| Quote, originally posted by mirror » | i take it you plan on running a dry sump system on this engine?
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Yup.Waiting on the ARE pump all now...| Quote, originally posted by 2.0tRedbull » | | Like the setup, this is where Im coming from, what are the top rev this setup can spin? |
To whatever I want...9500rpm's etc
| Quote, originally posted by 2.0tRedbull » | Does the increase stoke lower the rev capacity? how does this affect a big turbo setup when you want more power band, and be able to rev to like 8500 rpm? |
More displacement = more power/quicker spool.The only problem with increasing the stroke is the added wear on the main bearings (lets be realistic here,its a heavy crankshaft).In order to overcome this and increase longitivity ,I will be limiting the rpm to ~ 7200rpm's or so.This means that I will be staying with hydraulic lifters.
| Quote, originally posted by rokka » | Looking good , how many whp are you looking for? I am using the 3082 also.
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Thanks Roy,looking to make about 500whp which has allready been done.If I get bored of the power and want more then I will make the jump to a GT4088R.
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Re: (Wizard-of-OD) » | « » 1:27 PM 7-14-2007 | |
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can you show us the intake manifold???
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Re: (MAX_POWER) » | « » 2:19 PM 7-14-2007 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by MAX_POWER » | | can you show us the intake manifold??? |
well I wonder if he will be using something like he had made which I am using on my car. I know he also wanted to produce a short runner IM like this too. Here is the one on my car from Issam.

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Re: (Wizard-of-OD) » | « » 3:41 PM 7-14-2007 | |
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I am speachless.. Definatly going to be watching this.
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Re: Project 2.2 20V - A Complete STEP-BY-STEP Performance Build Up (Wizard-of-OD) » | « » 3:45 PM 7-14-2007 | |
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This thread is being watched. My car should be hanging out with your shell pretty soon, Issam.
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Re: Project 2.2 20V - A Complete STEP-BY-STEP Performance Build Up (TallaiMan) » | « » 4:49 PM 7-14-2007 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by Audi2ptzero » | | Here is the one on my car from Issam. |
mmmm....wrinkle black
| Quote, originally posted by TallaiMan » | My car should be hanging out with your shell pretty soon, Issam. |
No humping!I am actually flying in to cali in about 5 weeks or so.
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Re: Project 2.2 20V - A Complete STEP-BY-STEP Performance Build Up (Wizard-of-OD) » | « » 5:09 PM 7-14-2007 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by Wizard-of-OD » | | No humping! |
Too late.  | Quote, originally posted by Wizard-of-OD » | | I am actually flying in to cali in about 5 weeks or so. |
Hopefully the banana car will be there then and you can laugh at it.
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Re: Project 2.2 20V - A Complete STEP-BY-STEP Performance Build Up (Wizard-of-OD) » | « » 9:30 PM 7-14-2007 | |
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Some of the 2.0 and 1.9 crank users here in sweden have had slight oil leak from main seal behind flywheel/dampner.Cant remeber what was wrong but it might be a good idea to check this issue out. Might be thet 1.8T seal dont like the 2.0 GTI and 1.9L TDI crank so you need to switch part nr for the seal to the real 1.9L or 2.0L GTI N/A.
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Isn't 2144cc 2.1L...not 2.2?
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Re: (GT-ER) » | « » 12:38 AM 7-15-2007 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by GT-ER » | | Isn't 2144cc 2.1L...not 2.2? |
Well it could go either way, but seeing that most engine builders round up it would be closer to being a 2.2 liter then a 2.1 liter. Iven the stock 1.8 liter in the A4 is only 1781cc.
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Re: (Audi2ptzero) » | « » 1:11 AM 7-15-2007 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by Audi2ptzero » | Well it could go either way, but seeing that most engine builders round up it would be closer to being a 2.2 liter then a 2.1 liter. Iven the stock 1.8 liter in the A4 is only 1781cc.
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Actually...rounding it out would be 2.1...learn your math.
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| Quote, originally posted by GT-ER » | Actually...rounding it out would be 2.1...learn your math. |
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| Quote, originally posted by GT-ER » | Actually...rounding it out would be 2.1...learn your math. |
Ok Back to the topic @ hand?
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Re: (Wizard-of-OD) » | « » 1:20 AM 7-15-2007 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by Wizard-of-OD » | Ok Back to the topic @ hand? |
Oh yeah...some sick isht for sure. I wish I had all these toys.
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Re: (GT-ER) » | « » 2:19 AM 7-15-2007 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by GT-ER » | I wish I had all these toys. |
You can! Crankshaft - stroke : 95.5mm where : ebay.com/vwvortex How much : Between $175 & 250US (dont pay more than that for it)stroke : 99mm/100mm where : ebay.de/eurospec How much : Between 800 & 1100US Connecting Rods - where : Boostfactory How much : $349US Pistons - where : Boostfactory How much : starts @ $555US And more pics of some of the Toys...
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Issam N. Abed R&D, INA Engineering performance solutions. INA Engineering.Com
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