Quote, originally posted by SeatIbiza1.8T »

Why is the winshield replacement so expensive??

Not sure, odd shape? low numbers? difficult replacement procedure?

Either way, if you are paying more then $50 for a windshield replacement, you are either a sucker of really under insured, glass protection is dirt cheap and pays for itself easily.

Not every state has glass protection. For instance you cannot buy it in Texas on your automobile policy.

go jeep or go home i say.

Quote, originally posted by SeatIbiza1.8T »

Why is the winshield replacement so expensive??

The FJs use special imported, American windshields that can deflect metal bars and bullets.

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Quote, originally posted by SeatIbiza1.8T »

Why is the winshield replacement so expensive??

It's not.. 90% of OEM Windscreen for any make/model through dealerships have a retail price north of $1000 - but you can get them aftermarket for about $300.

XJ Cherokee I can get aftermarket windshield for $170.
ZJ Grand Cherokee I can get aftermarket windshield for $200.

Anyone who pays $1000 for glass is a sucker!

Modified by dab2000 at 3:11 PM 10-1-2007

damn.... I didn't know that, bummer. Either way, as said above, non-oem glass is WAY cheaper and in many cases of better quality.

apples and oranges.... no one is (or should be) denying the FJC isn't a dedicated rock monster.

Quote, originally posted by Moonequipt13 »

Aftermarket glass is never of better quality than OEM. They never fit as well and often are thinner, avoid aftermarket windows

You make a pretty broad blanket statement but you are certainly allowed your opinion.

2002 Subaru WRX
2004 YZ 450F

Quote, originally posted by BOXXER »

jeep all the wayyyy! i saw soo many broken FJ's down in moab this past labor day, it was crazy! As one of my buddies states, Fj stand for one thing... Follow Jeeps! ha ha some pics for fans

I think those pics are in reverse order. The owner clearly didn't know how to drive manual and rolled backwards down the edge.

2002 Subaru WRX
2004 YZ 450F

I used to run a Rover, I've been running Toyotas now for a long time, someday I may run a Jeep, who knows. I try not to get too caught up in the chest thumping brand wars. Run any truck hard enough and it will break. If you go offroad and never broke something, you're not trying very hard.

2002 Subaru WRX
2004 YZ 450F

My favorite phrase from a (supposed) 'wheeler is... "my truck is great, I've never been stuck." D

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A body-on-frame SUV is an oversize minivan? You suck at cars.

I've been told that the body parts for a vehicle are all protected designs of the manufacturer. An aftermarket company can no more make an exact duplicate of a part (say a fender or windshield) and sell it than a company can just directly copy a whole vehicle and sell it. In order for an aftermarket company to be able to sell a body part, they have to change the shape enough to avoid infringing on the manufacturer's part design. That means an aftermarket part will not be the exact same shape as the factory part. You should see how bad aftermarket Miata hoods fit. And I am sure the aftermarket windshields are not superior rot OEM- especially considering that the windshield is a glued in structural member of the vehicle design.

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1) How DARE you suggest Toyota isn't about "warm and fuzzy"!!!! My dad would kill anyone who'd suggest such nonsense.

2) I don't know as much about complacency per se (although they are as human as GM, etc. last time I checked), but definitely the simple math of how many products, factories, processes, and people they must manage... problems are bound to occur... especially when you get as close to "perfection" as you can (of course, there is no such thing as perfection, but the EFFORT/INVESTMENT trying is likely exponential the closer you get... and thus waaaay more difficult).

Conclusion: Sounds like they are getting like... GM.

it was my inclination that he went through all that because of his off-roading, and he seemed to know that.

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IFS is not inferior. And before you break out your "Crusty Offroad Hand Who Thinks Solid Axles Are The ****" act, can it. I've driven IFS Toyota Hiluxes across terrain that would make you wet your pants, at 15,000 feet in the Andes and Karakoram. If it can take a 30-degree inclined talus slope crawling loose boulders the size of sofas and 200 miles on roads that haven't been maintained since the Carter Administration, I'm not impressed by jaundiced "inferior front suspension" quips.

Modified by Turbiodiesel! at 6:12 PM 10-1-2007

Quote, originally posted by felixthecat, on why his genitalia are important to him »

Good god, I do have a wang and I just couldn't trade it in for a Prius.

Modified by Moonequipt13 at 6:24 PM 10-1-2007

Ahhh, so you DO suck at cars. Thanks for clearing that up.

Looks like he may suck at trucks too.

Quote, originally posted by Moonequipt13 »

That all translates into blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah for me Let's see you wheel that IFS where my buddies take their full width Cherokee and Toyo pickup, and I almost forgot, have fun with those CVs

I really don't care where you might claim they wheel; I'm already not impressed, and I certainly don't have much I need to prove. Clumsily humping an oversized rig over big rocks doesn't have much of a candle to hold against long-range expedition driving. I've wheeled in places that I can say with confidence would blow any weekend warrior's mind, not to mention their antiquated rig.

Let's see you wheel the Khardung La in India in September.

Modified by Turbiodiesel! at 8:01 PM 10-1-2007

Quote, originally posted by felixthecat, on why his genitalia are important to him »

Good god, I do have a wang and I just couldn't trade it in for a Prius.

Irrelevant; the Transsyberia, Dakar, and G4 are all successfully run with IFS and FIS vehicles. And if you peek under the skirts of a Pinzgauer, Trophy truck, Dakar racer, modern Land Rover, HMMVW, Pajero Evo, Race-Touareg, Land Cruiser....what do you find?

Solid axles are not necessarily inferior. They're cheap and tough, and for a long time they were vastly preferable to an independent setup. They are still a very good choice for some types of offroading, and solid-axle trucks are very capable; as a former Cherokee owner I have respect for them. But they are not necessarily superior in this day and age. Your attitude is a relic of the 60's and 70's, when IFS systems for offroading were far less developed. Even then, it was incorrect, as demonstrated by the Pinzgauer.

Modified by Turbiodiesel! at 9:30 AM 10-2-2007

Quote, originally posted by felixthecat, on why his genitalia are important to him »

Good god, I do have a wang and I just couldn't trade it in for a Prius.