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Wolfsburg / Los Angeles, November 2007 - Powertrain revolution in California: Volkwagen is presenting the space up! blue concept car at the Los Angeles Auto Show (November 14 to 25) as a world exclusive – a compact, self-confident zero emissions van in the style of the legendary Volkswagen Samba Bus. On board: the world’s first high temperature fuel cell and an array of twelve lithium-ion batteries. When the electric motor (45 kW / 61 PS) of the space up! blue is driven exclusively by battery, a range of 65 miles is possible – enough to handle nearly all distances in downtown areas.

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 Re: Los Angeles Auto Show: VW Shows Samba-inspired space up! blue (Wes@VMG) »« »

Abso-friggin'-brilliant!!!

Love the skylights added to the side of the roof. Great use of space, and I like the design.

Blindsided that it's fuel cell powered. Didn't expect that.

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 Re: Los Angeles Auto Show: VW Shows Samba-inspired space up! blue (sirAQUAMAN64) »« »

My personal 2c is that this is one of the most exciting things I see coming out of VW right now. I hope that showing it at the LA show is an indicator of intentions for a US market.

The current crop of hybrid vehicles are a real Frankenstein mess of technologies using a mechanical drive train with bolt-on electric technology. The real answer is a full electric drive train powered by an energy source which could be fuel cell or a small high efficiency diesel generating the electricity.

GM are heading in this direction with the Volt concept and to see this coming from VW is wonderful. Plus I love the whole utilitarian space concept.

Dare I say it this vehicle would probably spring me out of the GTI! I'll take mine with AWD (one electric motor up front and one in back) and a small TDI engine please



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 Re: Los Angeles Auto Show: VW Shows Samba-inspired space up! blue (Wes@VMG) »« »

Ok, I passed on commenting on the rest of the Up! family, but this thing really got my attention. With the looks, skylights, drivetrain and the size of the vehicle, I could use this thing on a daily basis and only need my current vehicle for long trips. Where do I sign my name? Oh, and VWoA, if you need any people to drive one around for awhile and get feedback from the real world, contact me. P.S. I like brilliant blue please.

Modified by vwsr2cool at 1:48 PM 11-14-2007



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 Re: Los Angeles Auto Show: VW Shows Samba-inspired space up! blue (vwsr2cool) »« »

Very cool. I love the child booster seat. Slap a small Diesel in that thing and you would have a great car.



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 Re: Los Angeles Auto Show: VW Shows Samba-inspired space up! blue (04RSR32) »« »

I don't say this often, but I would buy one... assuming that my wife wouldn't veto it. She's pretty adamant about not buying a new car. This is normally fine, but I would really like something like this. If this drivetrain is available in the smaller UP!, then that'd be perfect. Of course, the solar cell would have to be smaller, but oh well.

as previously said: Brilliant!



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 Re: Los Angeles Auto Show: VW Shows Samba-inspired space up! blue (Wes@VMG) »« »

Wow. All of you air-cooled guys take a look at the basic shape of the floor frame/pan/layout. It looks rather familiar, doesn't it?





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 Re: Los Angeles Auto Show: VW Shows Samba-inspired space up! blue (Air and water do mix) »« »

Me, too! If they really sell this, I'll sell my Sportwagen TDI to buy it.

Important: keep the diner windows and the doors. Make great, loud colors for this one! Magma orange.

Not important: I don't need hydrogen power or a fuel cell. Gas or diesel is OK.

And I want it loaded. This doesn't have to be an economy car at all.

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 Re: Los Angeles Auto Show: VW Shows Samba-inspired space up! blue (Blonde Guy) »« »

It isn't retro enough and looks really small... why are we all excited about this? they should be showing a new new beetle...



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...why are we all excited about this? they should be showing a new new beetle...

Cuz it seats four comfortably and it looks like u can cram a bunch of stuff in the back if the seats are down.



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 Re: Los Angeles Auto Show: VW Shows Samba-inspired space up! blue (Billsbug) »« »

I dunno it looks like the size of a kia rondo. AND we have already seen it with the non-blue Space Up! that actually was blue....



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 Re: Los Angeles Auto Show: VW Shows Samba-inspired space up! blue (jayparry) »« »

I also ho-hummed about the first two Up! showings, but this one is marvelous. Absolutely brilliant, and the styling is better than the other ones. I'd definitely prefer this as a city car over other options.

I'd be happy with a TDI in the back as well, but I'd prefer this setup.



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i dig it



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 Re: Los Angeles Auto Show: VW Shows Samba-inspired space up! blue (quailallstar) »« »

T'wud be cool if a portion of the solar panel slid back as a sunroof.



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I can't believe I'm saying this, but I really like the styling and the solar panel and samba windows. Nice job, VW!
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 Re: Los Angeles Auto Show: VW Shows Samba-inspired space up! blue (mnman) »« »

Dear VW Americas,

Hurry Up! and sell the Space Up! at my local US dealer! I gotta have 4 doors - and I love the design and the look. I will either take a TDI or Fuel-Cell (or I will settle for a gasser too). I am in Colorado.

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 Re: Los Angeles Auto Show: VW Shows Samba-inspired space up! blue (Wes@VMG) »« »

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Scion killer is right!!
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 Re: Los Angeles Auto Show: VW Shows Samba-inspired space up! blue (mnman) »« »

Needs more range, but I'd buy one. I like the Diesel generator idea. A small TDI generated hybrid would in something like this would be a sure purchase for my first new car. Then the GTi could become a 600hp monster



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 Re: Los Angeles Auto Show: VW Shows Samba-inspired space up! blue (macosxuser) »« »

ACHT MEIN GOTT!!!!! up!blue just blew my sox off!!! love it
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 Re: Los Angeles Auto Show: VW Shows Samba-inspired space up! blue (Wes@VMG) »« »

In 5 or 6 years my EV will be on it's last legs. Where's the waiting list?
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 Re: Los Angeles Auto Show: VW Shows Samba-inspired space up! blue (bagimin) »« »

Since I was seriously considering the smart fortwo, and my favorite car of all time was the Type II, this pushes most of my buttons.

I think a more upright windsheild would help the styling.

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 Re: Los Angeles Auto Show: VW Shows Samba-inspired space up! blue (macosxuser) »« »

Quote, originally posted by littlemark »
...The real answer is a full electric drive train powered by an energy source which could be fuel cell or a small high efficiency diesel generating the electricity.

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Very cool. I love the child booster seat. Slap a small Diesel in that thing and you would have a great car.


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Needs more range, but I'd buy one. I like the Diesel generator idea. A small TDI generated hybrid would in something like this would be a sure purchase for my first new car. ...

X4. Fuel-cell technology is not ready for prime time. A small Diesel would add range (probably triple it!) and power.



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 Re: Los Angeles Auto Show: VW Shows Samba-inspired space up! blue »« »

This is the first Volkswagen that has gotten me excited in years. Perhaps the company will take a leadership role in the years to come after all.

Or, they'll let this showcase be put back onto the shelf to gather dust. I don't think though, that the Germans can afford to bluff any more. All my adult life there's been plenty of talk about electrically propelled automobiles. The time for talking has run-out.



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Looks like an excellent car. It's good looking, has quite a bit of space inside, and ZERO emissions to top it all off. I would definitely take a hard look at this if it were coming to market within the next few years. Most of our driving is usually within 15 miles of our house, so this would be perfect. I wonder how much that solar panel recharges the batteries? It would be worth leaving it parked outside



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 Re: Los Angeles Auto Show: VW Shows Samba-inspired space up! blue (Wes@VMG) »« »

Wonder what the little antenna is where the roof domelight would normally be... could it be WiFi? Something like the Ford Sync gadget would be killer... and if it worked seamlessly with cell phones, iPods, and all the other wireless stuff now out... oh, sweetness...

Yeah, I'd hop on one... I'm not holding my breath for mostly electric drive, but a TDI hybrid would be amazing, and doable now... c'mon, VW, make it a 2009 model, you can do it!



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Ooops, forgot to include the link to what I'm talking about... doh!

http://www.worldcarfans.com/90...ealed



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 Re: Los Angeles Auto Show: VW Shows Samba-inspired space up! blue (Boogety Boogety) »« »

Well, I hate to tell you VW, but there is no such thing as Zero Emmisions unless the source of your charge is completely solar or hydro.... Where is the electricity that comes from that 'Plug it in' comming from? In the US, 60% is still coal...

That said, I LOVE the fact that it has a nice 150w solar array on top. Too bad most in town parking is in garages... For me in Austin though, this would be the PERFECT vehicle! And if the fuel cell isn't ready yet, throw in a 3cyl Bluetec Diesel. Then you don't have to create energy by electric plug, ya can make it from Biodiesel

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Quote, originally posted by Boogety Boogety »
Ooops, forgot to include the link to what I'm talking about... doh!

http://www.worldcarfans.com/90...ealed

Maybe that little thingy is to charge the driver's brain?



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Can somebody photoshop it longer and add a pop top?
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build it and I will buy it. That is all.



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Well, I hate to tell you VW, but there is no such thing as Zero Emmisions unless the source of your charge is completely solar or hydro.... Where is the electricity that comes from that 'Plug it in' comming from? In the US, 60% is still coal...

Correct.

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That said, I LOVE the fact that it has a nice 150w solar array on top. Too bad most in town parking is in garages... For me in Austin though, this would be the PERFECT vehicle! And if the fuel cell isn't ready yet, throw in a 3cyl Bluetec Diesel. Then you don't have to create energy by electric plug, ya can make it from Biodiesel

Still not zero (or even close to zero) emissions. Hydrogen fuel cells are nothing but a feel good green masturbation for those technophiles who think that there is a tech solution for every problem. As far as I know there is no such thing as a hydrogen well or a hydrogen tree that we can tap for H2. Like you said about the plug in part - unless it is totally solar or hydro it ain't zero nothin' and it ain't green. Nor is Biodeisel - ever tried sitting in a closed garage with a running car burning Biodiesel? You will suffer the same ill effects as you would with regular Diesel - I.E. death.

Yet - I do like this car. And since there is no viable green substitute for petro burning engines, I'll take it with whatever they want to put in it.

And I do dig the Olds Vista Cruiser skylights in the roof.



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 Re: Los Angeles Auto Show: VW Shows Samba-inspired space up! blue (85GTI) »« »

I think most people (hopefully) realize this.

At least, electricity can in principle be made without fossil fuels and carbon neutral --- right at your home, too. Same goes for hydrogen. Neither fossil fuel nor BioFuel are carbon neutral, today.

At any rate, currently hydrogen is expensive to produce, transport, and store, and most H_2 containers for cars that I have heard of simply evaporate it to keep it at proper pressure and temperature --- typically, in two weeks time everything is gone. Not really practical or ready for prime time, same as the fuel cell technology.

So, give me this car as a plug-in hybrid with a small gas or Diesel engine to give it a normal range and a bit more power.

BTW, the skylights go back to VW's Samba Bus.

Modified by feels_road at 9:07 PM 11-15-2007



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 Re: Los Angeles Auto Show: VW Shows Samba-inspired space up! blue (feels_road) »« »

It was stated at the auto show that it would go into production "in one form or another" with a traditional engine.




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 Re: Los Angeles Auto Show: VW Shows Samba-inspired space up! blue (feels_road) »« »

At this point in time there is no magic bullet or Holy Grail solution to energy production especially where transportation is involved.

Until we all have a "Mr. Fusion Home Energy Reactor" the key right now is making more efficient use of what we have. Digging fuel out of the ground and burning it is about the most inefficient way we can do it. Likewise a mechanical drive train can never perform at peak efficiency since it has to work under a wide range of situations.

De-coupling the energy source from the drive train allows the energy source, whatever it is, to operate at peak efficiency. It can also allow the vehicle to easily be manufactured/sold with an energy source of choice; additional battery packs for full electric, fuel cell where Hydrogen is available or diesel where that makes more sense. Sure, each has it pros and cons but they are all steps in the right direction.

Once the mind set is changed the innovation will follow.



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