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Brake Squealing....... | « » 1:34 PM 11-23-2007 | |
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The car has about 15,000miles on it and it seems to have developed a horrible brake squeal from the drivers front brake.....It only happens just as you are about to come to a stop but is getting very loud and embarassing....anyways, it is going into the dealer to get looked at. Anyone else have this issue? I am going to punch the advisor in the face is they say "Your brake pads are pooched/warped from the way you drive"........How long are the pads/rotors lasting on these cars?Thanks
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mine squeals when its still cold. ie. first 5 minutes of drive from garage. I only have 8000km
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Mine would Squeal for a while randomly then goes away. Pretty sure it's no problem. Just he pads.
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Re: (PaliAudi) » | « » 10:01 AM 11-24-2007 | |
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Go beat the piss out of your car and brakes... really try it.
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Re: (chris@revotechnik) » | « » 4:00 PM 11-24-2007 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by chris@revotechnik » | | Go beat the piss out of your car and brakes... really try it. |
What he is saying is true, put some heat into them and you will be good to go. If you decide to go to the dealership and ask questions, find a Master Audi Tech, (not the oil chaging kid). The Master Tech will educate you on the A3 brakes, as my wife has recently been taught, and now I understand.
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Re: (Uncle Wiggley) » | « » 9:28 PM 11-24-2007 | |
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I just hit 6k and the squealing has started. It's insanely annoying and I considered taking it in until I realized they are going to do nothing.
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| Quote, originally posted by OettingerGTI » | | I just hit 6k and the squealing has started. It's insanely annoying and I considered taking it in until I realized they are going to do nothing. |
We had the same problem with the brakes as well as poor Audi service. It wasn't until Audi Customer service gave us a dealer reference with 7 master techs in the shop. The tech took a ride with us going through the motions of the vehicle such as stop, start, etc. he explained it to us why they squeal. After showing us how to get heat into them we noticed a more responsive brake peddle and stop with out the dreaded squeal. It is crazy and a pain in the rear to have to do this but it works.
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So what was the reason for the brake squeal? Did it go away after you did that procedure or does it come back occassionally?Also what is the procedure the tech taught you to rid of the squeal?
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Re: (Shox Boy) » | « » 5:57 AM 11-25-2007 | |
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Quote, originally posted by chris@revotechnik » Go beat the piss out of your car and brakes... really try it. I developed the same issue in the last month or so. Small town driving and not enough twisties lately. Scooter is telling me it's time to take him out and play? Great idea!
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Re: (Shox Boy) » | « » 10:33 AM 11-26-2007 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by Shox Boy » | | So what was the reason for the brake squeal? |
Basically they heat up and glaze over. Think of it like rubbing two glasses together.. they are smooth and you'd think they would just silently slide against each other but really they are vibrating and making the squeel. With brake pads and rotors its the same thing. But you really want a "smooth" rotor surface and a rough brake pad so that it bites. By going out and driving the car hard you burn off that glazed surface. Basically do the same as you would when bedding in a new set of pads. go out and do a bunch of say 60-5mph, never coming to a complete stop and if you have to don't leave your foot on the brake pedal. do that a few times then drive around trying to use the brakes as little as possible till they cool down. Park the car without the parking brake on and let them cool completely.
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Re: Brake Squealing....... (Jackson_VR6) » | « » 3:49 PM 11-26-2007 | |
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Thanks for the help but I find it all a bit ridiculous. You have to brake a certain way with these cars and get educated about braking? I have had BMW's, Volvo's, other VW's and never had this problem. Sounds to me like they need to switch pads or are not properly greasing behind thee pads, caliper etc. In any event, for this to be happening at 16k miles is unacceptable. It is a real shame, VW/Audi are just great to drive but my god, always something wrong with them. The car burns oil (now I have to do an oil consumption report for the dealer) so we can help audi trace the problems so they can issue a fix, Open Sky roof vibrates (been in 3 times), brakes squeal, interior light burnt out, DSG reflash....I mean why are they not solving these problems in product development before? I am bringing the car in Wednesday, I'll have to see what the dealer says but I am sure they will say that is normal and I need a brake service. Oh these are all highway miles too, not stop and go or anything like that. I have taken it out several times and slammed on the brakes from 60mph, it doesn't fix it.
Modified by Jackson_VR6 at 12:50 PM 11-26-2007
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Re: Brake Squealing....... (Jackson_VR6) » | « » 4:10 PM 11-26-2007 | |
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My wife had the same issues you are having except for our oil consumption was our previous dealers fault, which only makes me angry so we won't go there.Anyway just find a good service dept. tell them what your issues are and have them(a master tech) work it out. If your car doesn't feel right when you get it back then explore options. I am glad to say ours were worked out and my wife and I are happy with the car now. Good luck
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Re: Brake Squealing....... (Uncle Wiggley) » | « » 4:17 PM 11-26-2007 | |
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It is all just very frustrating...I just don't want to have to pay for anything that is clearly a manufacturer defect. I believe in doing brake services to prolong the life of the brakes, but brake pads should not squeal at 16k and thats not why i should be having the service done......I mean are these white box pads they are putting on these cars? It would seem that way....
Modified by Jackson_VR6 at 1:20 PM 11-26-2007
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my brake pads are at like 27k, they keep squeeling super loud everyonce in a while, but after a bit of driving it goes away.but since the mileage is kinda higher im thinking i should change 'em. when have people been changing thme (i know it depends on driving styles and what not,) but whats the average stock brake pad life
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Re: Brake Squealing....... (Jackson_VR6) » | « » 5:39 PM 11-26-2007 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by Jackson_VR6 » | | It is all just very frustrating...I just don't want to have to pay for anything that is clearly a manufacturer defect. |
Just because a part is doing something you don't like doesnt' mean its a manufacture defect. the rear pads used to squeel and make tons of noise and people complained. About 7 years ago they switched to a softer compound and there have been nothing but complaints about too much rear brake dust and rear pads wearing out "too" soon. Your car came with nice hard pads from the factory that take a lot of heat and last a long time. But they must be used and used hard to prevent noise. Mine scream when I haven't driven it hard for a while... then I just go have some fun and all is well.
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Re: Brake Squealing....... (chris@revotechnik) » | « » 9:38 PM 11-26-2007 | |
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How come then non of the other german manufacturers seem to have this problem yet under the same driving conditions? I mean this is a car that is suppose to be a daily driver right? I mean I can understand if we are talking about a car with very high performance pads and rotors meant for it's majority of the time racing, but I have had many other german cars with OE pads, aftermarket and I have never heard squealing like this. Considering as well how many other people are having the same problems, looks to me as something is up.
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Well just so you know, my little brother's volvo s40 does the same thing only worse... sounds like metal on metal real bad. the dealer has tried six different fixes for it, but now they say its normal
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Re: Brake Squealing....... (Jackson_VR6) » | « » 9:35 AM 11-27-2007 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by Jackson_VR6 » | | How come then non of the other german manufacturers seem to have this problem yet under the same driving conditions?. |
I have a hard time believing that manufactures have silent brakes because I have heard them make noise. Every last one of them. I don't trust brakes that make no noise. If you would like to get rid of it go to autozone and buy the cheapest possible brake pad, probably under 20 bucks. They will be such a soft compound and last only about 15K miles probably they will be silent though. Thats really the only fix. Expect lots of brake dust and deminished hot stop distances.
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this might be a stupid question as our cars are still pretty new & seems the OEM brakes last forever, has anyone switched to Hawk HPS brake pads yet?Would that minmize/eliminate the squealing noise and the brake dust?
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Re: Brake Squealing....... (chris@revotechnik) » | « » 3:57 PM 11-27-2007 | |
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Well all of the other vehicles I have had, an E36 323is, an E46 325i, BMW E30 325is, MK3 Jetta VR6, Volvo 850, Volvo V70, non of them ever squeaked/squealled. I mean brakes will make some noise if I leave it for a weekend and it develops some rust on the brakes or I drive in stop and go traffic everyday and glaze them over, but this squeal is very loud and embarassing.....Also every german car I have had also has had a lot of brake dust including the A3, I am used to that because of the pads they use......Anyways I am not trying to argue, I just find it strange, but it seems like this is normal for these cars and I will just have to learn how to drive all over again so it won't sound like I am driving a chevette when I am braking......
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Re: (Shox Boy) » | « » 3:58 PM 11-27-2007 | |
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I did that in one of my old BMW's and yes it reduced the brake dust dramatically. I may do the same for this A3.
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Re: (Jackson_VR6) » | « » 4:58 PM 11-27-2007 | |
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So anyone know if the Hawk HPS will eliminate the squealing noise from the brakes?
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Re: (Shox Boy) » | « » 10:46 AM 11-29-2007 | |
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My R32 has great brakes with no sqeal so it's definitely possible to have solid braking without the annoyance. I'm not arguing that lighting these things up won't TEMPORARILY stop the sqeaking. But let's be honest here, that's what it is, a temporary fix. When I go back to driving in the manner dictated by my daily commute the sqeal will eventually return.
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I just bought my A3 about 2 months ago. It is a certified preown model, so even thought it has 14k miles on it, it has new pads according to the dealer. I just noticed this squeeling noise about 1000 miles after I owned the car. I completely agree with Jackson_VR6 on this issue. I have owned other cars but non of them have problems like this. Either the pads used are poorly designed or they are badly made. I wonder if and other Audi models have this issue.
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Re: Brake Squealing....... (Jackson_VR6) » | « » 10:26 AM 12-27-2007 | |
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is this a problem everyone has?im in the market for a car and ive been looking at a3's and while i love the look and interior im not going to have money to put into this car for a while and i dont want to have to deal with the brakes squealing on a new car.
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21k miles. Not a squeak from my brakes. Only gets down to the 40's where I live. I do exercise the brakes fairly hard occasionally.
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My brakes squeel now and then. But brakes do that and I deal with people all the time complaining about intermitant brake squeek. I am not about to be that guy 
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My A3 is 3 months old, the brakes squeek all the time. It's frikkin annoying.
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brand new 08 with 1400mi on the clock. been in the 30's around here. Garage keeps it about 45-50* at nite. Brakes do squel for a few mins. Sometimes a PITA, but nothing thats been continuous after they heat up.On of the things I've learned to live with. No biggie.
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Re: (the4ringer) » | « » 4:00 PM 12-27-2007 | |
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honestly where i live the temp says low like 30's and 40's for a good part of the year but we dont get a lot of snow, im just thinking that it is going to be a complete PITA if the brakes are squeaking for most of the year, even if it is just when the brakes are cold there really is no need for it. i have owned multiple cars and none of them have ever made any noise while braking.it just seems like there is no need to be forced to live with this problem.
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It seems to be the rust build-up on the rotors.For those with DSG, try not to engage the handbrake when parked. I have found there is no brake squeaking when I drive afterwards when I didn't engage the handbrake when parking.
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My A3 has about 6000 KMs on it, and I do notice squealing first this in the morning. When I starting breaking its fine, but as I slow down, < 10 kmph there is a slight squeal. However like other people on here have said, after the brakes have been worked in a few times during a drive, its usually fine. Although I was surprised when this started happening, as I only remember braking hard maybe 2x at most, over the past 5-6 months.
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well we will see because i am now the new owner of an audi certified 2006 A3 2.0Tgot it with 8600 miles and the deal was great so i couldnt pass it up.
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My co-worker who drives a new Civic commented "your brakes shouldn't sound like that". I said I need to burn off the glaze and yesterday I drove up to my dad's place in the mountains. Hammered the A3. Brakes were fine. I see next week when I get back on my thru town 35 mph drive to work if the noise went away. Seriously, the noise never bothered me, it only occured within the last 50 or so feet of an stop. One thing I've learned (I own an E46 325i also) is that German stock pads are pretty good. My last car, a Miata had Porterfield RS4s. Those pads on a frosty morning were scary. I learned to ride the brake for a block or so to get heat in them. Even tho the E46 pads are notorious for dusting, they have very good cold bite and also maintain their high heat fade resistance, so it is with my A3 pads. ----Keep in mind I'm talking daily driver needs, not track-day stuff at Laguna or Sears Point --- 
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Re: Brake Squealing....... (Jackson_VR6) » | « » 3:35 PM 12-29-2007 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by Jackson_VR6 » | | How come then non of the other german manufacturers seem to have this problem yet under the same driving conditions? I mean this is a car that is suppose to be a daily driver right? I mean I can understand if we are talking about a car with very high performance pads and rotors meant for it's majority of the time racing, but I have had many other german cars with OE pads, aftermarket and I have never heard squealing like this. Considering as well how many other people are having the same problems, looks to me as something is up. |
What German cars brakes don't squeak ? I've worked for Benz, Audi VW and even Land Rover. Every single one had some brake squeal. You find it "unacceptable" that brakes are squealing at 16,000 miles. At what mileage would you find it acceptable ? You live in Ontario. Your brakes probably never get hot at all. Cold, metallic pads will squeal on any car. Brakes are the one thing besides tires that are subject to the whims of atmospheric conditions. Metallic pads will squeal when they're cold, when it's humid and in B2B traffic. Go wash your wheels & brakes. When they dry, take the car out and beat on the brakes a bit as he described. I'm not just a service guy, I'm a car guy and former mechanic, I've owned: 85 GTI (stock), 86 Jetta Coupe (modded), 01 Passat GLX (modded), 03 Passat W8 6 speed,(slightly modded) 83 Mercedes 300D and 300SD.
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