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has anyone else realized they did away with our BPY motors and replaced them with the CCTA engine, major major major differences....just a few of them are the oil pump, no more timing belt now it is a chain, 2 ballance shafts, and the hpfp now runs off the exhaust cam and is a completly different design that is rumored to run at 150bar instead of our stock 110bar i can't decided if i like the changes or if i don't...i like the hpfp revision (if it works right) but i deff don't like the ballance shaft assemblies...discuss



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 Re: BPY no more (jc@douglas) »« »

Well the chain is less maintenance, and makes the motor shorter. I'm guessing the what to use a bigger trans.



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 Re: BPY no more (jc@douglas) »« »

balance shafts do suck for sure... workin on my 4g63 i know they pull some power from the motor.. how many do our bpy's have? Do you think they changed it to run off the exhaust cam due to the fact they learned there leassons with the intake cams failing? Maybe the exhaust cam is alot stronger but i doubt it. Timing chains are also nice.. sometimes a little noisy but atleast you dont have to worry about snapping a belt. 150 bar would be butterz to, could it be a swap for our bpy's? Any differences in the head or intake manifold? When will the CCTA's hit the streets?



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 Re: BPY no more (jc@douglas) »« »

Are they officially shipping cars with the new motor? IMO it's going to be a signficant improvement over the already great BPY. I believe there is an addition of extra control over the cams. IIRC the BPY cam phasing but the new generation incorporates cam lift/duration adjustability as well. I could be wrong on that as it was an older technical article that stated that about the new 2.0t. I'm also not sure what use extra lift/duration is on a forced induction motor but on N/A it can lead to some serious gains.

YOu can bet with the better HPFP the midrange gains for stage 1 and stage 2 flashes(when they are available) will be awesome.(akin to the APR hpfp tunes)

I had a build in Oct 07 and still have the BPY.

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 Re: BPY no more (jeffc31337) »« »

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Are they officially shipping cars with the new motor?

They are. Aftermarket has the new engine with a timing belt in a lot of areas



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 Re: BPY no more (syntrix) »« »

cars with these motors are already hitting dealerships and head and intake mani and everything are all different and don't plan on swapping it until their is fsi sem becuase it no longer uses med9 ecu it now used med12.5
no more flapper motors either, now it is vac operated and part of the manifold controlled by a seperate selinoid valve



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 Re: BPY no more (jc@douglas) »« »

notice how the pcv, cylinder head and fuel pump look nothing close to how it does on our motors
o yeah and they also went back to a regular airbox not the cover/air cleaner




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 Re: BPY no more (jc@douglas) »« »

wow that ish is totaly different.. is there any engine cover at all?



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Wow...big changes.



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wow that ish is totaly different.. is there any engine cover at all?

yes looks like the A4 engine cover kinda the way it fits



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yes looks like the A4 engine cover kinda the way it fits

awsome! i wonder why they made such major changes and ditched the bpy's after how long of a production time? 2-3 years?



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this isd for MY08? all cars?



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i am pissed.
the ccta is the passat motor. so im curious why they didnt dump that into the gti initially?

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i am pissed.
the ccta is the passat motor. so im curious why they didnt dump that into the gti initially?


Modified by dubsker at 1:47 AM 3-23-2008


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 Re: BPY no more (jc@douglas) »« »

WTF, what are we going to just keep replacing are cam follower every few thousand miles? us guys running HPFP anyway? does this just mean we have a bad design motor or what? so what are we just limited to KO4? so if we run big turbo with HPFP engine is under constent maintenance
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 Re: BPY no more (fahrenheit 525) »« »

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WTF, what are we going to just keep replacing are cam follower every few thousand miles? us guys running HPFP anyway? does this just mean we have a bad design motor or what? so what are we just limited to KO4? so if we run big turbo with HPFP engine is under constent maintenance

i just checked my cam follower with slightly over 4k on it, my AT pump was about to punch a hole right threw it looks like i won't be driving my car until i can get a new one monday



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Does the CCTA airbox look like the one that we've seen in pictures of the TTS engine bay? Basically a tube with a filter housing located at the air duct on the front of the car.(ill try and go find a picture)

Could be a nice OEM way to pick up a better breathing intake and engine cover if it fits.




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similar but not exactly the same but close, they also added an extra large support on the passanger side engine mount



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Moar pics of new engine please



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Moar pics of new engine please

i am going to try to get some screen shots from etka on monday they might be tought to see but it will give everyone an idea about how different this ne motor is



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WTF, what are we going to just keep replacing are cam follower every few thousand miles? us guys running HPFP anyway? does this just mean we have a bad design motor or what? so what are we just limited to KO4? so if we run big turbo with HPFP engine is under constent maintenance


Yeah exactly the same question I have...

However the cam problem is not that common, I dont hear so much complaint about this on the GTI. The more I heard about this problem the more it seem that having an aftermarket FP make things worst. I will definitely forget the aftermarket FP on my side.



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awsome! i wonder why they made such major changes and ditched the bpy's after how long of a production time? 2-3 years?

Make it fit more applications, emisions,

The engine is shorter in then length and height so it helps them design cars that still look good and fit new crash safety standards, and sitll place the engine where they need it.

I personally don't like 99% of it.



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Chris or anyone in the know-- Do you know if this motor is fit with audi valvelift system? They made a big deal about all the ea 888 engines having it.(or at least having the capability for it - but it might be removed in some applications)

This is my first forced induction car so I'm not sure how much variable valve lift/duration will benefit on an f/i motor. I'm guessing that partial throttle response will be even better and maybe even a bit on the top end.

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so when can we expect to see these motors on U.S. cars



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so when can we expect to see these motors on U.S. cars

they are already here, and as for the lift question i am unsure of that answer but i do know peak hp and torque are delivered about 500rpms sooner than our cars stock



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Chris or anyone in the know-- Do you know if this motor is fit with audi valvelift system?

I don't have the specs on the new 2.0t in front of me only the new 1.8t and that definitely does not.

I had seen videos of the valve lift stuff when I was still working for Audi. The rep had it on his laptop and was showing someone else I walked by and was like v-tec yeah! He got all pissed and was like its not like v-tec at all, he described it and I was like ok its like v-tec and walked away . There was of course differences but all the points he was trying to make were the same.



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What new 1.8t?



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What new 1.8t?

it's just like the new CCTA 2L but it's a 1.8



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 Re: BPY no more (jc@douglas) »« »

My cam follower was checked after over 5K on the VF RSS kit and mine was fine. But really WTF are we going to do about this? There must be a fix for this! How the hell can everyone and company using or making BigTurbo kits and HPFP just eat the lost investment?
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My cam follower was checked after over 5K on the VF RSS kit and mine was fine. But really WTF are we going to do about this? There must be a fix for this! How the hell can everyone and company using or making BigTurbo kits and HPFP just eat the lost investment?

it's going to come down to either changing it out very very frequently or someone coming up with a real fix for it



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My cam follower was checked after over 5K on the VF RSS kit and mine was fine. But really WTF are we going to do about this? There must be a fix for this! How the hell can everyone and company using or making BigTurbo kits and HPFP just eat the lost investment?

Doing what? A fix for what? This issue is not a mass production issue for us in NA. This was already covered before in another topic. Most weak cam are in Europe model, at worst some early 2006 A4 and Gti or a random badluck on a later car. Everyone is paranoid about this... I have a 2007 with mods, everything work fine and I have no fear about this issue.

The fact the BPY is no more make me wonder at a certain level however. But the reason could be more of an economic reason than a design flaw.



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no more timing belt now it is a chain

I HATE having a timing belt that I have to worry about replacing ($$$$). Why couldn't they have just done this from the beginning? It was obviously possible, but instead all the early adopters got stuck with belts.

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Could be a nice OEM way to pick up a better breathing intake and engine cover if it fits.

I want to know this, too. I hate the PITA combo cover.



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it's going to come down to either changing it out very very frequently or someone coming up with a real fix for it

The revised part is not a fix?



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The revised part is not a fix?


the revised part number is for the camshaft, as you can see in the pictures it was the cam follower that has failed or possibly a pump issue...if either a pump or follower fail it will ruin the camshaft but i don't see how you guys can keep blaming this on the cam....it has nothing to do with the cam it has to do with the cam follower/pump



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 Re: BPY no more (jc@douglas) »« »

Titanium cam followers... i bet the metal that is used in the followers isnt the strongest...im sure a titanium follower would'nt be cheap but if it solved the problem it would be well worth it... it will be intresting to see if any of the common failure parts on a bpy will happen with the new motor..we will just have to wait and see eh?

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