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 It's that time of year again - Oil Undercoating?« »

So few places do it anymore, so home-brew methods are the way to go.

I hear good things about using bar and chain oil for this application, either from Spray cans (NAPA) or by pumping through a low-pressure engine degreasing gun or garden sprayer. It's cheaper, thick, and contains rust-inhibiting chemicals.

Cook it together (carefully) with some melted paraffin wax and you get home made "Waxoyl" basically.

I need to do this under both trucks this year. My new-to-me '06 4Runner (daily driver) already has lots of orange spots on the axles and a few spots on the frame, I want to tackle that while it's still just cosmetic. The previous owner clearly never bothered.

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 Re: It's that time of year again - Oil Undercoating? (Sporin) »« »

I have never heard of this procedure.

undercoating yes but, this - no.

most people here just let vehicles rust or store them.



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I dont know anything about it. I've never bothered. I guess I have just accepted surface rust on my suspension parts and subframes as part of living in the salt belt.



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 Re: It's that time of year again - Oil Undercoating? (TurboWraith) »« »

I honestly recommend against this personally. What I would do is go under there before snow starts to fly, hit everything that has surface scale with a wire brush and then slap some chassis saver, por15 or the like on there and call it good enough. That's what I do on my personal vehicles, customer vehicles, etc.

The undercoating game just never did anything for me. I've fixed *more* rotted floors & rockers covered in the stuff than I care to think about. Just makes it more of a bear when it comes time to remove the crap and replace the panels. At least the chassis saver stuff grinds off easily. Just like paint.



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 Re: It's that time of year again - Oil Undercoating? (Sporin) »« »

I just spray down the underbelly and wheel wells thoroughly at a spray-and-wash once a week or so when the roads are salted. I've never had a problem with rust on any of my cars with this method.



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I've never heard of this.



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 Re: It's that time of year again - Oil Undercoating? (1.8Tquattro) »« »

Sporin - you don't need additized oil for this. Even Waxoyl is hardly additized. You're going for barrier protection, not conversion coating.

Petroleum jelly + baby oil will give you 90% of what you want, and it won't smell (assuming you use fragrance-free baby oil).



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 Re: It's that time of year again - Oil Undercoating? (atomicalex) »« »

I have an uncle that's been doing this annually for years. He's big on equipment maintenance, and owns and maintains several vintage pieces of farm equipment. He also maintains his vehicles in the same manner. He's uses a 3:1 motor oil:axle grease mixture to do just this. He mixes up a batch, and coats the underside of his vehicles with a paint brush. He also coats the exterior with a thin layer. It seems to have worked very well for him. He's got a 1980 Chevy Stepside which looks essentially new. There's no rust whatsoever, and he's driven it through almost 30 N. Ohio winters. Those trucks were particularly rust-prone too. He has a 2005 Silverado and a 2000 Cherokee that he's done the same too, and they are equally rust free. It's a rather dirty process though.

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It's big business up here, there are franchises everywhere. Some are better than others, but the quality of the application is key. In areas with heavy salt use and long winters, no amount of washing your undercarriage will stop the rusties...I see 4-5 year old cars up here with the cancer starting.

On cars I planned to own a long time, I had this done annually. Usually around $80-100 per year. It does work well, but its a mess. The drippless oils are better, but don't "creep" into crevices as well. Most places claim the product is "biodegradeable", for what its worth. It doesn't stain the driveway permanently.

As evidence, I have relatives with 10-15 year old buicks and plymouths that look great...My 1994 Miata looked pretty good in 2005 when i sold it...always winter driven.



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I don't trust hard undercoating, it seems to trap moisture and do more bad than good. I've never heard of this oil stuff. Everyone around here uses Rust-Check. It's very effective, but I don't know if it's available in the US.



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TCL read my mind!

I just posted basically the same thread on a club forum for my area. I'm picking up a car from the South next weekend. It's in great condition and I'd like to keep it that way. Unfortunately it's a TCL anti-darling--I'm still going to make a post about it though Wondering what the best way to protect it's rust-free status would be.

OP: There are some useful posts in the Ontario forum (regional section of Vortex) if you search for "rustproofing".



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hmmm.... I'm surprised so many have never heard of this, maybe I'm officially an old timer now.

I've had my trucks done by various places over the years. The most recent place near me had a 4 post lift set up OUTSIDE behind the garage, the guy would put the car or truck up there and spray the underside with a mix of various oils and such. Worked great.

Stricter EPA regulations have made it a loss-loss though for most outfits so they've stopped doing it.

I noticed last time I passed Volkspart in Walpole NH (just south of me) that they were advertising it so maybe I'll call them.

I've done it myself with cans of NAPA Bar and chain oil but more as a spot" cover then a total undercarriage bath. I prefer the yearly oil-based coating over any of the harder coatings.



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undercoating is big up here, as said before.


I wonder if you could just cut used engine oil with diesel or something. How'd that be for undercoating?


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An older thread on this btw: http://forums.thecarlounge.com...40922 mostly Vermonters.



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I'd love to see the look on the cashier's face when I buy a 12x12 tarp, a gallon of baby oil, and the biggest jug of Vaseline they have.

Probably buy a roll of duct tape also... just for effect.



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I'd love to see the look on the cashier's face when I buy a 12x12 tarp, a gallon of baby oil, and the biggest jug of Vaseline they have.

Probably buy a roll of duct tape also... just for effect.

Make sure you mumble something about your undercarriage while you're checking out.



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I've heard that this can clog drains and make things worse if not done carefully.



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If done right, it sprays very fine, it shouldn't be an issue. Body drain holes are far more likely to be clogged by dirt, mud and other grime then a yearly spray of fine oil.

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I think I have officially become an old New England'er... honestly surprised at how many here either never heard of this or are somehow convinced it's "bad" for your car. It's been done for decades to cars, trucks, farm equipment. If it's oily, it isn't usually rusting (generally). Stricter environmental controls (not all bad mind you) seem to have put an end to most commercial ventures doing it, but there are still places that do, and home application is popular as well.

I nearly bought a fantastic old Land Cruiser FJ60 a few years back. The guy had owned it since new and had oil undercoated it himself since day 1. He had even drilled strategic holes in the door jams and such so he could spray inside the body cavities. That vintage of Land Cruiser rusts if you look at it funny but this one, a lifelong Vermont truck with almost 200k miles on it, was totally rust free. Not a coincidence. I shoudl have bougth it btw, but I was short a stack.

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I'm so happy I don't have to deal with anything like this. That must be hell to clean off when summertime comes.



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I'm so happy I don't have to deal with anything like this. That must be hell to clean off when summertime comes.

I wil happily deal with greasy parts over rusty ones.

Do it right and it's no big deal, it is a very thin film and it's not where you see or touch. Plus, the reason you have to redo it yearly (at a minimum, a lot of folks to spring and fall applications) is that it washes away over time.




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Most full service automated car washes have an undercarrige treatment. When I was a teenager working at a car wash in RI we had it. The drum was a light weight petroleum sprayed through water jets. My biggest concern in the winter would be salt and dirt corroding the bushings in the suspension. I think most modern cars today 2002 and up should have belly pans and the body panels are designed in such a way so as to not retain moisture and dirt.
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My grandfather used to oil his pickup religiously twice a year. I was too young to remember what he used but that truck looked mint until the day he died and it was sold. I'm guessing it was near 35 years old at that point. With the amount of salt we see in the winters that's saying a lot.

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I'm so happy I don't have to deal with anything like this. That must be hell to clean off when summertime comes.

Me too... Though, if it came down to it, I'd happily spend two Saturdays a year painting on some oil stuff than having rusty bolts on my subframe.



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    everybody and their mother sells undercoatuings around here. Garage where i work we even peirce a hole in each door and shoot the inside of the doors, trunk, underhood, wheel wells etc. Its quite cheap to have done too.


    Then again its winter 5-6 months a year around here and the government uses salt to keep the roads clear which is the end of anything automotively pretty



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    My Grandfather , who lived in the salt belt middle of PA did this for years. He used to save all his old oil and every winter would cook it in a low pressure sandblaster with an old water heater element and spray both his pickups. It was funny as hell cause he would have to park them in the backyard on a sheet of plastic to "drip dry" for a day or so. When he passed away a few years back his 1980 Chevy Pickup was like brand new underneath and had over 200k on it.



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    Leaves a slight waxy film. My G60 still has zero rust over the last 5 winters in Boone, NC.

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    I'd love to see the look on the cashier's face when I buy a 12x12 tarp, a gallon of baby oil, and the biggest jug of Vaseline they have.

    Probably buy a roll of duct tape also... just for effect.

    Buying a pregnancy test and wire coat hangars is better for getting a reaction out of cashiers...

    But yes, you are officially an old New Englander. I've never heard of doing this, I've always been told to wash the salt off often. I guess I would probably care about an undercoating if I knew to expect more than a one or two good snow storms each year.



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     Re: It's that time of year again - Oil Undercoating? (Sporin) »« »

    Quote, originally posted by Sporin »
    I hear good things about using bar and chain oil for this application, either from Spray cans (NAPA) or by pumping through a low-pressure engine degreasing gun or garden sprayer. It's cheaper, thick, and contains rust-inhibiting chemicals.

    It does work :-D .

    Here's what I use on my steel bicycle frame.

    Some marine guys use this to keep rust off; the stuff dries, leaves a slick wax like coating, and is pretty good against salt water.

    On my out-door grill I use...

    Keeps the rust mostly at bay.


    All of those things work because they help prevent oxygen from reaching the iron, thus preventing or stopping rust (not 100% effective, but pretty darn good). I've never done this on a car, though I don't see why it wouldn't work.


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