Carbonio intake, BSH engine mount and BFI trans mount are all I have for performance mods.

On the first run I got 184 HP and 186 torque, on the second pull I got 189 HP@5879 and 194 torque@3616! Both were in 3rd gear with the Dyno running from 2500 to 6300 and this was at the wheels, not the crank.

I also did a 1/4 mile run on it and the tree we had set up wasn't timed right, it was a second late but I got a 14.8 at 94.75mph so if I don't count the second that the tree was off it was 13.8.

Also I should note that the dyno is a mustang in floor dyno and is well maintained and tested/certified regularly.

Good good numbers!

Quote, originally posted by Turbiodiesel! »

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What kind of dyno, I might have to visit Appleton more often.

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Quote, originally posted by HIBB 304 »

So your car runs faster 1/4 time than most TURBO 2.5i,with just a intake . I'm sorry but them numbers are very generous. Sounds like crank numbers to me. Look at these 1/4 times. http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=4596788 Not trying to bash,but NO WAY! Modified by HIBB 304 at 4:25 PM 11-3-2009

Yep, I'll scan the dyno sheets when I get the chance and put them up. And I've seen those times before. I know it's unlikely but not impossible, we ran each test 3 times to make sure the readings weren't faulty, we doublechecked all the connections and made sure all the data was right.

And I want to go to a different dyno to verify the numbers. Also take a look at those 1/4 times, according to that list a stage 2 rabbit ran what .1 seconds faster than a n/a rabbit? Either those turbo kits are a really expensive way to gain a fraction of a second or some of the motors are built better than others.

Modified by jettafan[atic] at 2:06 PM 11-3-2009

Quote, originally posted by Turbiodiesel! »

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lets start on numbers.
i have SEVERAL more mods than you and i am putting 170.91 whp. 209 jetta 2.5.

in order for a JETTA to do 1/4 in 13 secs, it would have to have about 220 hp (do the math.)

intake and a couple engine mounts WOULD not give you so much hp.
your numbers HAVE to be crank.

my mods: intake, pulley, headers, high flow cat, cat-back. and again, i am doing 170.91 to the wheels. running 1/4 in 16.036 secs.

sorry.

Nah man you're right I'm sure, those numbers just aren't possible. Except one bit of logic bugs me... maybe you could clear it up for me?
How does a roller, chassis dyno measure crank horsepower? I mean I would have sworn that for that you would have to hook up a crank dyno to the engine but opbviously you know more than me, or the master tech instructors at my school.

For everyone who doesn't believe these numbers I wil post up the dyno sheets when I get the chance and I already said that I do want to have my car dyno'd somewhere else to verify the numbers.

Quote, originally posted by Turbiodiesel! »

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Does Appleton have a dyno shop at all? I've been living in Green Bay for years and only know of one place, and they have an all-wheel Dynojet.

You can never have too much fuel unless you're on fire.

According to a friend of mine there was one in greenville and it may still be there otherwise they moved to neenah. I'll check it out and see if I can find anywhere else. The only one in the area I knew of until today was the dyno we have at school.

Quote, originally posted by Turbiodiesel! »

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Its not that we don't believe *you*, its that we don't believe the dyno. You're putting out about 30hp more then expected.

Sorry but there's no way in hell that your putting out 184 hp and 186 torque with just an intake. I know chips don't add much, but you dont even have a chip

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Quote, originally posted by Turbiodiesel! »

Never mind the 20 speakers, the ****er's got interstellar hyperdrive and it's doing a burnout on the everloving space time continuum! TWIN TURBO WHAT BITCHES

Quote, originally posted by Turbiodiesel! »

Never mind the 20 speakers, the ****er's got interstellar hyperdrive and it's doing a burnout on the everloving space time continuum! TWIN TURBO WHAT BITCHES

use your calculator and solve the equation:

http://www.carforums.net/showthread.php?t=1672

the speed is the trap speed in a 1/4 mile.

so, to do 13 secs in a car that weights around 3300 lbs (3285 +you) you need to put +220 whp.
and thats basic MATH.

so, that dyno of yours is definitely wrong.

so, again.. sorry bro. but i was right.

Quote, originally posted by Turbiodiesel! »

Never mind the 20 speakers, the ****er's got interstellar hyperdrive and it's doing a burnout on the everloving space time continuum! TWIN TURBO WHAT BITCHES

Crank numbers are believable, but that's about it. I'd say go to a test and tune night, get your actual numbers, and then do the math. It's cheaper than a dyno.

all i was trying to say is that the numbers are OFF by a lot... and the calc trick i found in a book of automotive engineer, and it states (but not on the site) that end numbers could be as much as +or - 10%
but, that is WAAAY cheaper than a dyno and it will give you close numbers.

Not only is it high, but the "usual/normal" proprtion of hp/trq for this motor is a little lower than 1:1 and he's about at that, if that makes sense.

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Wouldn't the torque still be skewed high like hp is?

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Quote, originally posted by Cabrio60 »

Very high wheel horsepower numbers for just an intake, my car with BSH intake plus AWE exhaust and a torque arm insert only made about 163 whp or so. Maybe the 2.5 is underrated from the factory. What kind of dyno, I might have to visit Appleton more often.

I think the 2.5 is under rated too or at least the 07' and up. I only have an intake and I have no problems keeping up with a friend's 08 4 door civic si. He should be pulling away from me when accelerating, but he can't.

Good #s for the OP

I'm gonna believe that the numbers were high, I've raced comparable cars and I've never been slower but the cars weren't really impressive. A friend had a mazda 3 and his car couldn't keep up for example.

I'm thinking the numbers were high for a couple reasons: the dyno could be tuned high, and the software only went up to 07 so that was what I used, the dyno probably placed less load on the rollers because the 07's were rated with less hp.

Also I'd be tempted to put more stock in these numbers if there hadn't been numerous other people with the 2.5 and more mods than I do putting down lower numbers on the dyno. Theres one thing I'm not too sure about though, how would the 1/4 time be off? The dyno doesn't have any load on the rollers trhat I'm aware of and it just times you how long it takes you to go 1/4 mile and gives the speeds. The dyno would have to be pretty messed up to not even read distance accurately.

Quote, originally posted by Turbiodiesel! »

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because, in my experience, i have seen dynos with looow numbers and some with HIGH numbers.. and some are kind of in between...!

so.. test it and tell us.
best of luck!

Mods - yes.

I'm sure. Now, we all agree that the dyno #'s are high and that the dyno is almost definitely mis-calibrated, I'm not gonna fool myself into thinking I have the holy grail of the 2.5 motors. However this made me think, how much could our power ratings vary from engine to engine? Take for example the GT-R, I remember reading a review on it when it first came out talking about how you never knew exactly how much power you had until you dyno'd it, and when a lot of them were dyno'd it turned out that they varied as much as 65 hp from one engine to another. (if I remember the numbers in the article right) Now the GT-R's motor is hand built in a controlled environment by professionals and somehow it varies widely from engine to engine. How much do you think ours could differ?

I guess the only way to find out would be if every one of us had our cars dyno'd and we put together a list including year, model and mods on the car. I know it's a big task and there are a lot of places that don't have a dyno nearby but I guess I'm encouraging all of you to go out and do it, it's a hell of a good time.

Quote, originally posted by Turbiodiesel! »

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Being VW's base engine, I would say they are lowering cost by increasing tolerances on power output. Probably something like ±10hp (so that's 165-175hp). BTW, all mass-produced engine are tested in controlled conditions (for power output, leaks, etc) before going in the car.

Find the lower level of torque allowed by Volkswagen, let's say it's 165hp, that's give us a 5hp difference. You then know that statistically it's almost impossible an engine will produce anything more than 175hp.

The GT-R is also a turbo car, different environmental conditions will have a big impact on a turbo car compaired to one that is N/A

Each GTR Motor is hand built. and all are underrated horsepower numbers.... this has been tradition in many japanese performance cars for a long time.

Nissan says 480 crank hp.... most GTRs are 520+ crank HP.

I doubt VW shares this vision in the Mexico plant making bland plastic engine covers

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