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heres the deal i have seen/heard all the different ways to lower a fox....i want the lower look and a little bit better handling... so which is the best way to go i know you can put raddo springs on the fox, or try to find some used fox lowering springs, you can cut the springs, or i have seen these but i don't know much about them ( ie reliability etc.) so which is the best way to go and also anytime you lower the fox do you have to change out the stock struts or can you keep them i am looking to spend as little money as possible being that college is starting soon thanks for your help



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 Re: need your opinions on lowering (93wolfsburg)« »

This is all in the FAQ if you read deep enough, but here goes:

Yes, all of those methods will lower your Fox. As for which is best, that is a decision you must make yourself. However I have yet to hear of someone cutting the coils on a Fox and not switching back to uncut springs or some other lowering method as soon as possible.

Non-Fox specific info would be concerning the shocks/struts. Any time you lower a car, you will want to replace the stock units with 'reduced travel' models. Otherwise the shock is going to try and work at a different height than the spring and you run into all kinds of ride quality issues.

As for the least expensive, those shocks and struts are going to run about $400-500 for the set, but you might get lucky and find something in the $300 range. I've heard of Corrado springs going for $150 a set, but you're likely looking at $200-300. Be sure to get the 60mm drop, 30mm won't lower the Fox at all. Used Fox lowering springs are like gold to find and can be priced everywhere from 'steal me' ($100) to 'I know you want it' ($500). Building Coil-overs, which is the hardcore performance-minded route will run you about $400-$500 for the set and will give top performance as well as full adjustability in ride height. This seems to be the most common option for people on this forum.

In summary, you're looking at $400-$1000 depending on what kinds of deals you can find with the least expensive route being in the $500-700 range and all-out possible for $700-800.

Hope this answers your question, or at least help you ask other questions. Once the Faq gets condensed and organized, hopefully this post will be truly redundant.



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 Re: need your opinions on lowering (Ol' Grey Fox)« »

There are lots of options as stated above. but coil overs are by far the best bang for the buck.
Looks and awesome handling.


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Bart, are these the Ground Controls?





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Bart, are these the Ground Controls?

More or less. Same type of setup exactly. Just not as high of a quality spring as Ground Control distributes.
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Hey Bart, what ever happened to that write-up on building coil-overs for the Fox?



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 Re: need your opinions on lowering (93wolfsburg)« »

Would adjustable sprigns from a Corrado G60 work on our cars?



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 Re: need your opinions on lowering (VW[Fox])« »

i use the 60mm corrado springs from weitec you can get them at rapidparts.com the only problem is getting them to fit on the rear if you are creative you can figure it out
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 Re: need your opinions on lowering (VW[Fox])« »

yea is there a write up on how to make them and is it cheep



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 Re: need your opinions on lowering (93wolfsburg)« »

Its approx the same cost as any decent strut/shock/spring combo. You just have to do some cutting. . .
Mine may be up for sale soon as I would like a different set.
IE: if someone sends me they're front strut housings, and $300. they can have my front strut assemblies with the COs on them, plus the rear sleeves and springs.
Offer is there if anyone wants it.

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 Re: need your opinions on lowering (HiJinx)« »

Oh, I so would if I could do without the car for that long. Alas, I'll likely have to wait and fo the assembly job myself at some point down the road.



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 Re: need your opinions on lowering (Ol' Grey Fox)« »

i have cut my coil springs and i've rolling on like that since may and i have no trouble with it, yea its a little swingy then stock or a real lowering suspension but it does the job for me anyways and i say its the best way for someone who really wants to a slam drop like me, i love when a car is closest to the groud possible.... as far as control in turns, like i said, youll never get
the quality of a rea lowering suspension by cutting the springs but for the people like me that dont really care about taking city curves at 90mph i'd have to say that cut coil springs do the job for me and i didnt have to pay 6 or 700$ to lower my car an inch or two, it just cost me about 10$ worth of cutting discs and i got a real drop

thats what i think about cut coil spring, give me your opinions and ill read them with great attention.



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 Re: need your opinions on lowering (lowest_chevy)« »

do u have pics of that i would love to see it




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 Re: need your opinions on lowering (93wolfsburg)« »

I also cut the springs on my Fox and it's de worst thing I've done to it in 2 years. Corrado G60 are not really expensive. 245 canadian $ for FK springs that would lower the Fox about 1.5". I had brand new stock struts and after 3 months on cut springs, they are gone, so going with Bilsteins or any other aftermarket struts and shocks is also a good idea when lowering any car.



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 Re: need your opinions on lowering (HiJinx)« »

HiJinx, looks like we set up our rear coilovers a little different. I removed the round metal disc from above the circlip (or whatever it is) and put the coilover upper spring perch in place of it.








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 Re: need your opinions on lowering (VW[Fox])« »

Quote, originally posted by VW[Fox »
]Would adjustable sprigns from a Corrado G60 work on our cars?

Coil-overs from Raddo???Rears yes, fronts no, different strut housing. Different collar.



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 Re: need your opinions on lowering (Island_Dubber)« »

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HiJinx, looks like we set up our rear coilovers a little different. I removed the round metal disc from above the circlip (or whatever it is) and put the coilover upper spring perch in place of it.

I could have too, but the sleeve would have still rested in the same place, so, I figured why mess with it. but ya, I can take it off and rest the sleeve on the lil perch that the original spring seat is on.
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Ditch the springs all together and double up on the bumpstops. That'll work...





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While sitting in the Shop on a quiet day we cut my Fiesta springs in half so it sat on the bumpstops. It just makes the bump stops have a nervous breakdown and split - so we tried Spax ones, same deal, even when covered in cable ties.

So, erm, anyways



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pssst. . .
i think kenny was just bein a smartass,
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I found some audi 4000 front struts on ebay for like 40 a set, and the rears for a A2 for like 50. Also with the lowering springs at 150 from brazil shopping.com. So if I do my math right the that would be 250 or so for new struts and springs. The part#'s for the struts are Gabriel#g46791 AUDI and #g53022 A2. Any ways...HIJINX.. can you still make me some coilovers for are previously discussed price? If so then IM me. I'm ready to order and I'll have them shipped to you and I'll send any other parts you need off my car with your $$! Or should I keep looking for better shocks? They look like a good deal but I'm not sure where they rate performance wise.



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for coilovers, you don't want the lowering springs. you need to get a kit like Ground Control sells with springs, threaded sleeves and perches.
What kind of struts/shocks are you looking at getting. . .
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I posted the gabriel part #s G46791 and G53022. Also ground control sells a kit? What does this kit cost? PLEASE don't say 500. Let me know what exactly you need from me and I'll get it. While playing on the fox yesterday I started bouncing it and I didn't think it was ever going to stop. So I figure that It is getting new struts all the way around as well as tie-rods and cv's before it even gets drove. So I figure If I am forking out the dough for the suspecion, then do it right,... even if I can't spell it right.



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Gabriels(sp) are OEM replacement and NOT what you want to run with CO's or any aftermarket springs. They just don't have the dampening capabilities. I would recomend at least some nice KYBs, at the very least.
I think the "kits" that GC sells are around 300 bucks. But, I'm not entirely sure.
Basically, All I need from you are the front strut housings, the front CO kit assemblies and the front struts. The rears are easy and you can do yourself in less then an hour probably.
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Meeting up with some local 'Dubbers and I want to make absolutely sure before I ask around, so please indulge me.

It's a known fact that Corrado G60 springs that advertise a 30mm drop will fit on the Fox and maintain stock ride height.

My question is if that is Corrado specific or will A2 GTI or Jetta springs fit just as well? It would seem to me that A2 suspension is A2 suspension, but I could be very wrong and would like to find out before asking the A2 kids of they have any old springs sitting around.

Also, if I were to obtain some very nice, stiff springs from an A2 that would maintain stock ride height on the intended vehicle, how much would I have to cut to get that 30mm drop? One coil? One and a half? Half a coil?

Thanks in advance for the info.



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audi gt coupe front struts and springs would fit right?

its pretty much a 2dr 4k from the looks of it



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i didnt see this anywhere on here so i was wondering what coilover would fit on an 89 fox wagon(if any) dont some mods to make them fit is not big deal as i have an ok shop and thanks for all the great information already you guys rock



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first off i would like to thank you for checking the faqs or doing a search or however you came across this post second i do believe if you go to http://www.groundcontrol.com they can build you a custom set to work



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or shine racing if you got enough $$. http://www.shineracing.com.

If you want shines you'll have to email them. The setup is custom.



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The Ground Control suspension link is actually http://www.ground-control.com.



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A2 and A3 springs should work, considering that A2 and Corrado guys change springs around, and an A3 setup is a"one plus" upgrade for A3's.

Mainly wagon, but as was said, sedans have wrorked. I believe the "stuff and pray" method.

Coil overs have the same size diameter springs on the top and the bottom. Again, 'Nutz has used the rears just like Bart has for years, not cutting the rear spring perch, just installing the adjusters on the perch.

Carlos did the coil overs a loooong time ago, too.

On the fronts, grinding is necessary. Grind off the front spring perch, weld on the adjuster, sleeve, and work on he upper sping perch, I guess use a stock upper mount/bearing.

gonna make me find that picture, aren't we?

I think GC sells all the parts separate. You will need 4 sleeves, 4 adjusters, 4 springs. $300 sounds about right.

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gonna make me find that picture, aren't we?

1) Look at this picture:

2) Look at your suspension.

3) make it the same.


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A2 and A3 springs should work,

I think GC sells all the parts separate. You will need 4 sleeves, 4 adjusters, 4 springs. $300 sounds about right.

But would this still be considered a real coilover system?
Isn't this just a sleve?
From my travels I've seen full coilover kits like H&R or such that the strut & coil are a single part.
If not the case what couldn't work of some sleeves from a civic modified to fit a fox cheap $50 sleves on E-bay.

Also what components would fit of an A3 to a fox wagon?
I have a nice Weitec TX kit that's been gathering dust waiting for a buyer that I could use on my Fox.
If so I may also do the brakes while i'm in there.



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so will a set of g60 lowering springs work?
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yes they will.... please refer to the numerous pictures of my car throughout the forum as a reference



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