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    1. Member austin neuschafer's Avatar
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      10-10-2003 11:39 PM #1
      PLEASE NOTE there is a link to this post in the trans FAQ get to work everyone, this is a very underrated conversion, these trannys are rock solid when equipped with a AFTERMARKET differential such as quaife and peloquin. 300hp is easy with very strong clutch endurance when compared against the 020 "crumble box" as I have called them before. this conversion is not near as difficult and some have claimed it to be.

      heres one link of mine https://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=460997 https://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=749237 https://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=574174




      Modified by austin neuschafer at 4:41 PM 4-21-2006
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    3. 10-11-2003 07:17 PM #2
      http://www.gironet.nl/home/cillari/gearbox.htm
      Cable clutch:

      VW part no.:
      bracket for mech. clutch operation :
      02A 141 708B (item no. 10)
      boot for mech. clutch operation :
      02A 141 728 (item no. 13)
      clutch cable :
      357 721 335E (item no. 6)
      Note: the part numbers are UK/European, not for the USA/Canada.
      Another option for mechanical actuation of the clutch may come from the 1992
      Eurovan with parts available in the US. (Does anyone know for sure?)
      Mechanical actuator: 02B 141 708A
      boot for actuator: 02A 741 728
      -Dave


      Modified by MrDave at 6:01 PM 10-11-2003

    4. 10-12-2003 09:08 PM #3
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      Modified pedal box to accept the hydraulics, using parts from a Corrado




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      10-17-2003 02:32 AM #4
      I make some nice mounts for that transmission swap too. Into A1 .

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      10-24-2003 08:39 PM #5
      Quote, originally posted by Euro rally »
      I make some nice mounts for that transmission swap too. Into A1 .

      Do you have pictures of them?
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      10-27-2003 05:24 AM #6
      yes i'll post some pics



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    8. 10-29-2003 11:16 AM #7
      bump

    9. 11-07-2003 10:16 PM #8
      Well I just did this swap into my A2 and let me tell you I am not convinced it is much tougher. I killed two tird gears in O2As in one month. the only problem I had with O2Os was the diff. Just My 2 cents. [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

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      11-07-2003 10:48 PM #9
      Quote, originally posted by DubGray1.8T »
      Well I just did this swap into my A2 and let me tell you I am not convinced it is much tougher. I killed two tird gears in O2As in one month. the only problem I had with O2Os was the diff. Just My 2 cents. [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

      Really... That's good info, what engine do you have?
      My wagon has an 02A with a Quaife, and when I shift into 3rd, I get a crunch, unless I take my time, which sometimes I forget to do.
      Gary told me 3rd gear on 02A's is like 2nd gear on an 020, the first synchro to go.
      The 02A is tougher than the 020, but the 020 with the stage 3 Peloquin 020 diff. with the 80% shims will reduce the side to side pull that you get with a lot of power.
      I'm deciding between using an 020 VL-6 speed, a 4K, or maybe a 5 or 6 speed 02A.
      I'm leaning towards using a 4K w/Peloquin diff and 80% kit, now, and then maybe the 02A swap later, once I get the 2L16V Motronic swap sorted out..
      If I had an A2, this would be a no brainer, but the A1 needs some customizing.
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    11. 11-08-2003 06:13 PM #10
      Well I have an A2 1.8T 20V. T3, 60A/R and a 1992 02A 16V Passat tranny swap.
      obviously my experience with the 02A [swapped anyway] Is very limited so dont take my opinion to gospel. I have heard over and over that it is a tougher tranny. Well as far as my experience goes They have actually been weaker. Every time I tell someone I blew the O2A they tell me I prolly need to shift it easier. I dont agree I enjoyed my car with the 020 much more. although I do like the 02A taller ratio more.
      To be completely honest though I have broken more 020s than 02As but have broken more 02as in a shorter amount of time.
      These were also used trannys one had 80,000 the other had 255,000 but I promise I could break one in less than ten runs. The 22 pound flywheel does not help either.
      I have stripped all the teeth of third gear on the clutch shaft twice. same problem repeated I am assuming it is a weak spot.
      Again this is just my opinion. I may just be having bad luck. [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

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      11-08-2003 10:40 PM #11
      no 2rd gear problems here. for my experiance here are the problems I've run into with G60 02A trannnys:
      2nd gear syncro grind on a few of them
      1 tranny had a stripped 2nd gear (no teeth at all)
      1 bad 3rd gear syncro
      1 blown diff
      1 chipped reverse tooth but thats about it.
      I've never seen a repeated problem with 3rd gear (syncro or teeth related)

    13. 11-08-2003 10:53 PM #12
      Thanks for the response. I have ripped every tooth off 3rd gear on the clutch shaft side and about 25% of the teeth on the main diff shaft side. It is the initial clutch drop into third from 2nd into 3rd. It is like 1st and 2nd are low enough to burn the tires but 3rd is a ratio that trys but breaks in the process. I has got me baffled. I just got a lightend flywheel and a taller third to try and deal with this.
      Just for the info the clutch grabs hard enough to chirp the tires between 3rd and 4th at around 80 MPH. This plus the rotational weight of the flywheel are what is causing it I think.

    14. 11-11-2003 06:47 AM #13
      I just heard back from my vw dealer contact in the UK. prices below:
      Quote, originally posted by MrDave »
      Cable clutch:

      VW part no.:
      bracket for mech. clutch operation :
      02A 141 708B (item no. 10) $62
      boot for mech. clutch operation :
      02A 141 728 (item no. 13) $8.50
      clutch cable :
      357 721 335E (item no. 6) $50
      Note: the part numbers are UK/European, not for the USA/Canada.
      Another option for mechanical actuation of the clutch may come from the 1992
      Eurovan with parts available in the US. (Does anyone know for sure?)
      Mechanical actuator: 02B 141 708A
      boot for actuator: 02A 741 728
      -Dave

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      11-11-2003 10:49 AM #14
      Sounds great, when are you placing the order?
      I just have to decide if I'm going 020, or 02A.
      I'm leaning towards the 02A swap, since I can get a brand new 02A trans for ~$1200 w/shipping. [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]
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    16. 11-11-2003 12:50 PM #15
      Can you use the pedal setup from a G-60 and not even mess with the original pedal from a Mk 1

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      11-11-2003 01:04 PM #16
      Quote, originally posted by Rabbit350 »
      Can you use the pedal setup from a G-60 and not even mess with the original pedal from a Mk 1

      Not easily...
      Plus I like the idea of having a cable clutch, simple, and easy to replace.
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    18. 11-12-2003 06:18 PM #17
      Where did these mounts come from???
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      12-01-2003 01:17 PM #18
      Thanks to need_a_VR6 for the part. Here's a pic of the bracket that will allow the conversion from hydraulic to cable.

      DCI

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      12-01-2003 07:44 PM #19
      Is that the one from the euro van or the other?

    21. 12-02-2003 01:35 AM #20
      Quote, originally posted by Euro rally »
      yes i'll post some pics

      What is the round black thing in the top right hand corner of the pic?
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      12-03-2003 07:07 AM #21
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      02-04-2004 09:05 PM #24
      So how do you hook up the speedo cable from a 02A/02J to a Rabbit/Scirocco instrument cluster?
      Anyone with a set of mounts for sale, please contact me ASAP. I'm installing a 02J in my 16VT Scirocco as soon as I get the parts.
      Thanks.
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      02-05-2004 03:08 PM #25
      Brad, early (90-91?) G60's and Passats still had cable driven speedo.
      The bracket that Pat has is Euro-sourced. They're a PAIN to get regardless.
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