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    Thread: Tomorrow is here! Just got home from the Pontiac dealer. Not the owner of a R32 anymore...

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      12-10-2004 10:23 PM #1
      Yup, just got home from the Pontiac Dealer in Lakeland. The emotions that are going through me right now, i can't put into words.
      I just drove a 2004 Red GTO....When i entered into the vehicle, I thought i was dreaming, I was waiting for the salesperson to pinch me... Great seats, dash layout, very comfortable. Start up the car and took a listen to the V8 growl. Put a on my face but i was trying to hide it as much as possible in front of the salesman.
      I put the car in gear and off i go... I pull onto the road, and take it up to 4500rpms in 2nd, it pulled nicely. VERY smooth... How smooth? I felt like i was in the R32 for a second. But then, reality hit when changing gears. Then i knew, i was in a Pontiac. Believe it or not, my old WS6 shifted wayyyy smoother. But that was my *only* complaint. Besides that, the car was simply a absolute joy to drive.
      The car felt very well planted to the road. The interior is what really blew me away though. I mean, you really have to go and sit in one of these cars to see what i am talking about. Pictures don't do this car justice, whether it be the exterior or the interior.
      I have never really been a fan of the new GTO, to be honest. But then again, i never saw the car, up close and personal. Seeing, sitting, driving it, really changed my original thoughts on the car.








      Now, most of you, are most likely wondering, why? Why go from a 04 R32 to a 04 GTO? Good question. Here is "part" of the answer...
      I am currently paying $464 a month on a Drivers option through VW credit, for 48 months. At the end of the 48 months, i can give the car back or buy it out for, (I don't remember exactly) I think it's roughly $14,000.
      I read about the huge rebates, that came out for the GTO today. That is what lead me to the dealership. I told myself, if i can lease this car for $240 a month for the next 36 months, that would be a huge score. Instead of paying $464 a month, on the R32, for the next 42 months. When it comes time to buy the GTO, the price would be $17,500. I would most likely, just give it back, and look into whatever it out then. If it was the R32, i most likely would of purchased it, who knows.
      Either way, i am looking to save $225-$240 a month on car payments. I don't see any other new car out there *currently*, that will give me the GTO's bang for the buck.
      I know what you are thinking. $240 isn't alot of money. Keep the R32, etc... Yea, for some people $240 a month isn't alot. It wouldn't of been alot for me when i was working with Gateway. But now, I wouldn't mind having the extra cash. Being a homeowner and married, there are more important things in my life. Yea, it would be nice to keep the R32, and i still might, if the deal doesn't go through. The wife also, wants to put more money towards the house, and thinks my car is sucking up the funds. No big deal though, i told her if things don't go well tomorrow, I'm keeping the R32 forever.
      So what is the bottom line?
      Limited Edition Red GTO - ( Limited Edition Pulse Red option W40 with silver guages and black interior. Only available on the last 800 units of production.)
      M.S.R.P - $33,890
      Gateway's price - $23,650!!!!
      So far so good.
      Now the only thing left is the R32. They don't know what the car is, and they don't know what it's worth. So i have to bring it in tomorrow, for them to have a look at it. I'll report back tomorrow and let you guys know what happened.



      Modified by Gateway at 10:58 PM 12-10-2004

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    3. 12-10-2004 10:27 PM #2
      OH god, another Pontiac for you to pic-whore.

    4. 12-10-2004 10:27 PM #3
      ur stealing the car at $$23 1/2k!!!
      congrats!!

    5. 12-10-2004 10:30 PM #4
      I work for a Chevy dealer and we do a very good job with giving people fair amounts for their cars, but if that came to us its not worth as much as you want because its a specialty item. Tell them how many were made and it might be good because it will be impossible to find them at auto auctions...

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      12-10-2004 10:30 PM #5
      You get a GTO... she gets an Aveo? Way to wear the pants man
      Just messin'

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      12-10-2004 10:31 PM #6
      holy crap
      I want a $23k GTO...

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      12-10-2004 10:31 PM #7
      I just read the Car and Driver comparison between the Mustang GT and Pontiac GTO and the shifter seemed to be the biggest complaint they had about the Poncho. I wonder if there is anything available in the aftermarket to fix that?
      Sounds like a great deal though. [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

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      12-10-2004 10:33 PM #8
      B&M!

    10. 12-10-2004 10:35 PM #9
      Outstanding price and great monthly payment. Just one question... How much is your monthly payment going up when you roll the remainder of your R32 lease into it?

    11. 12-10-2004 10:41 PM #10
      Great price [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

    12. 12-10-2004 10:41 PM #11
      it must suck to be in your position right now.
      it's gonna be kind of sad to see the r32 go, but the GTO sounds like quite the steal.
      you pic whoring the GTO just wouldn't be the same anymore
      and wtf, gateway worked at gateway?!
      eeh, good luck with your decision. they'r both great cars from what i hear. [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

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      12-10-2004 10:43 PM #12
      Wow 23k is a steal hopefully you can get enough for the R32

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      12-10-2004 10:56 PM #13
      BuyitBuyitBuyitBuyitBuyit!
      Sorry, I lost my composure for a second.
      When the GTO came out (well, I guess came over is the better word), I was marginally impressed. Then, I got a chance to ride in one (sadly, no wheel time) at speeds approaching 120. The thing felt solid as a rock. Add in the interior, the seats, and the looks (I actually like the look of the '04 better than the '05), and you have an incredible car.
      The shifter can be remedied in the aftermarket, although truthfully I've never been bothered by the shift action of the T56. So, will you be leaving it stock since it's a lease or will you sneak on a few bolt-ons?

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      12-10-2004 11:00 PM #14
      Why didnt you get R32 in the first place? The hit you will be taking on the R32 is the money you will be saving on the GTO.
      But must be nice to buy a new car every 2-3 years....I wish

    16. 12-10-2004 11:07 PM #15
      That's a killer price you're getting it for...
      Quote, originally posted by VdubChaos »
      The hit you will be taking on the R32 is the money you will be saving on the GTO.

      So it all works out then

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      12-10-2004 11:13 PM #16
      Care to clue us into how you got them down to $23,500?

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      12-10-2004 11:36 PM #17
      Quote, originally posted by GPHAWAII »
      Outstanding price and great monthly payment. Just one question... How much is your monthly payment going up when you roll the remainder of your R32 lease into it?

      I owe $27,200 on the R32. They would have to give me that money. We are $3,000 apart right now because they have never seen the car,and don't really know what it is. I told them the specs,and they couldn't believe the car is a golf.
      One of the guys there said... " 13" brakes? The C5 Vette didn't even come with brakes that big."
      Hopefully they will give me the $3,000 when they see it. Going to clean it up really good tomorrow, before i go there.

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      12-10-2004 11:39 PM #18
      Quote, originally posted by munkey »
      it must suck to be in your position right now.
      it's gonna be kind of sad to see the r32 go, but the GTO sounds like quite the steal.

      Yup.
      Quote, originally posted by munkey »
      you pic whoring the GTO just wouldn't be the same anymore

      You mean, Trans Am.
      Quote, originally posted by munkey »
      and wtf, gateway worked at gateway?!

      I worked at Gateway for 5 years, before they closed all the stores.
      Quote, originally posted by munkey »
      eeh, good luck with your decision. they'r both great cars from what i hear. [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

      Thanks.

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      12-10-2004 11:41 PM #19
      Quote, originally posted by VdubChaos »
      Why didnt you get R32 in the first place? The hit you will be taking on the R32 is the money you will be saving on the GTO.
      But must be nice to buy a new car every 2-3 years....I wish


      Read above post.
      Also keep in mind, i put 0 down on the R32, made 5 payments. If they give me what i owe on it, and i am not putting money down, how am i losing alot of money?

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      12-10-2004 11:44 PM #20
      Me personally, I think you're crazy, but if it makes sense for you, then thats alll that matters.
      Good Luck.
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      12-10-2004 11:44 PM #21
      Quote, originally posted by Gateway »
      I owe $27,200 on the R32. They would have to give me that money. We are $3,000 apart right now because they have never seen the car,and don't really know what it is. I told them the specs,and they couldn't believe the car is a golf.
      One of the guys there said... " 13" brakes? The C5 Vette didn't even come with brakes that big."
      Hopefully they will give me the $3,000 when they see it. Going to clean it up really good tomorrow, before i go there.

      I can't see them giving you $27k for the R32...that is about all they could sell it for.

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      12-10-2004 11:50 PM #22
      Quote, originally posted by duandcc »
      Care to clue us into how you got them down to $23,500?

      Gladly.
      I took these numbers, (I really have to thank JrodVW for doing the legwork) to my dealership, and asked them if they could beat them. And luckly for me, they did.
      Quote, originally posted by JrodVW »
      Cap Cost
      OK, here's what the dealer is SHOWING me
      MSRP= 33,190 (Base + 6 speed )
      Price for car. $23,700. Yes, TWENTY THREE SEVEN. Includes all Rebates that start tommorow from invoice pricing + 3 GM certs.
      Residual = 17,590.70. (53% at 36 months, 15k per year)
      So 23,700 - 17,590.70 = 6109.3
      6109.3/ 36= 169.70
      Money factor is .00146 (3.5%) 17,590.7+ 23,700 = 41,290
      41,290 x .00146 = 60.28
      (169.70 + 60.28) X 1.06 (sales tax)
      229.98 x 1.06% = $243.78.

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      12-10-2004 11:51 PM #23
      Quote, originally posted by [email protected] »
      I can't see them giving you $27k for the R32...that is about all they could sell it for.

      Could happen if they take some more $$$ off the car.

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      12-10-2004 11:57 PM #24
      Gateway---You're PROBABLY going to find that the insurance on the GTO ishigher then the R32 but not buy much...when I got a quote on both for me a few months back the GTO was only $50 more every 6 months. With what you are saving per month in payments and the slight insurance increase...you'd be silly not to pull the trigger.
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    26. 12-11-2004 12:00 AM #25
      hey, the r32 got quite a bit of exposure too if i recall correctly!

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