Here's the definitive Non-A/C Scirocco Post.
***If anybody has some good pics of a 16v cut down bracket out of the car, I'll stick that in this post, and belt info too!!!***
Factory non-A/C setup (for 8v)
Quote, originally posted by Part Numbers » 8v Pulley Part Numbers - Non-A/C - 126 121 031
With A/C 127 121 031
With PS 127 121 031 A
Belt 9.5x950mm 026 903 137 C
Alternator Bracket Part Numbers -
Non-A/C Bracket - Lower 049 903 103 B;
Upper - 026 903 245 A
The alternator is supposed to be a 55A or a 65A bosch alternator with a square plug. The 8v non-A/C brackets are simple:
The non-A/C pullies are also simple:
The belt is easy to get:
This is the difference between alternator plugs:
If using a 65A alt, 8gauge wire is fine, if using 90A, I suggest upgrading to 4 gauge cable.
Early Factory non-A/C setup for 8v
This is from very early cars...
Factory non-A/C setup (for 16v!!!)
Here's some more 16v info, courtesy of David Fertal in MD...
Quote, originally posted by Part Numbers » the part # for the non-ac, non- power steering bracket is 051 260 885
the part # for the non-ac, power steering bracket is 027 260 885 P
alternator pulley is part # 049 903 119 L
belt is 050 903 137 and is a 10mm x 950 length
65 amp non-A/C alternator
Worldwide 14936 (price as of 2/6/09 is $118.49)
The Power steering version:
The alternator only version (isn't it awesome?)
These are the arms. The new lookin one has the provision for the star bolt, which makes tensioning the belt a lot easier...
Here's a pic of that correct alternator pulley:
Quote, originally posted by Dave » i think there might be a version for the 2.0l 16v also......that one bolts
to the face of the block, instead of using the normal bracket at the top of
the block that the 1.8 uses.
(more to come...)
Cut the bracket method (16v Only)
Somebody can IM/mail/post some pics about this?
Quote, originally posted by Part Numbers » 90 amp A/C alternator
Worldwide 14799 (price as of 2/6/09 is $128.49)
The belt is a 11mm wide by 950mm long belt. It appears that this is the maximum width you would want to go. sciroccojim's belt is a Dayco Top Cog 11A0950 - you can get that at any autoparts store.
So far, I know what belt (see below), and here's the pics:
Here's some pictures of sciroccojim's setup that I took on Sunday...
Alternate Setups (Pun intended!)
Mk3 ABA A/C bracket as non-A/C (works on 8v and 16v)
Quote, originally posted by Part Numbers » The belt for this setup is a serpentine 6PK x 1035mm
You also need the waterpump pulley from a 12v VR6 to make this work. The Part number is 028 121 031 K
ABA - A/C Mk3 setup with auto-tensioner
90 amp A/C alternator
BOSCH part number AL0181X
Worldwide reman part number: 14624
120 amp high output A/C alternator
BOSCH part number AL0184X
Worldwide reman part number 14623
Mk3 ABA. This one is VERY easy to find in the salvage yard. Get it off of any Mk3 2.0L 8v with A/C. These are a dime a dozen. get the alternator too, and all the mounting bolts. The bolts bolt the waterpump onto the block, and have studs that this bracket mounts to.
Advantage: Parts are easy and cheap to get. You can get belts and alternators from joe blow's autoparts store.
Disadvantage: On mk2 sciroccos - you have to bang in the frame rail a bit to clear the tensioner bolt on the arm.
Bracket with tensioner arm (2.0 8v)
Alternator (90A) (2.0 8v)
Bolts, and nuts that hold it to the waterpump (2.0 8v)
Crank pulley (2.0 8v)
Waterpump Pulley from a 12v VR6
ABF Mk3 16v Setup - works on 8v and 16v
The ABF bracket is similar to the ABA one, except there's no tensioner. You use the same pullies, ABA crank, the 028 121 031 K pulley from the VR6, and the same bolts to mount it to the block.
Advantage: No banging the frame rail in!
Disadvantage: Can be $ to get, alternator is kinda hard to find
Quote, originally posted by Part Numbers » The belt for this setup is a Conti 6PK 894
The 90A alternator is Bosch AL0187X (VW # 028 903 025 P)
The 70A alternator is Bosch AL0185X (VW # 030 903 023 B)
The 120A VR6 alternator, Bosch AL0184X (VW # Part #028 903 027 P) that DOES NOT WORK FOR THIS
Ask for a 96 Jetta TDI non-A/C alternator, many FLAPS can order them
ABF - Non-A/C Mk3 setup
Calling this "ABF" is kinda misleading, as ABA mk3 cars did come to the US without A/C. There were some very interesting variations of them as well.
Did you know, you could buy a 1996 Jetta GL with no A/C, but with power windows and locks? Whacko!
70 amp non-A/C alternator Spring tensioner
Bosch part number: AL0185X or 0-123-315-001
Worldwide Reman part number: 14356 (price as of 2/6/09 is $119.49)
VW part numbers: 028 903 025 G and 030 903 023 E
Valeo part numbers: 2541821 or 436363 or 439000 or A11VI66
Lucas (LOL) part number: A6785
90 amp non-A/C alternator
Bosch part number: AL0187X or 0-123-320-002
Worldwide Reman part number: 14358 (price as of 2/6/09 is $164.49)
VW part numbers: 028 903 025 P and 030 903 023 F
ACDelco part number: 321-1712
Lucas Part number: A6786
Valeo part numbers: 2541814 or 2541814A or 436443 or 439002 or A13VI123
Belts that might fit a mk3 non-A/C setup:
These are six-rib serpentine belts - that's what the 6pk means. Measurements are in mm)
PROPER belt - Continental 6PK 0894 (this belt has 6 ribs, and it is 894mm long)
DAYCO 5060390 (it's 6pk by 0990mm)
DAYCO 0560455 (it's 6pk by 1155mm) and I don't think this is right!
Gates 6708 or K060388 or K060390
VW part number 999.192.283.50
Notice the spring:
That's what tensions the alternator. You loosen the pivot bolt, and the 19mm tension bolt, and let the spring tension the alternator, then you just tighten the bolts and roll!
I think that's the ideal setup, especially for the 16v. The beautiful thing is that you can keep power steering if you have it - just keep the Mk3's power steering pulley when you grab the crank pulley.
You gotta buy this from a euro parts source (such as Mr. Andy! ), or, there's a guy on the vortex who sells this setup new for a pretty good price. (I'm sure he'll bump his thread after I post this )
Modified by TheTimob at 10:20 PM 2-7-2009