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    1. Member ginster86roc's Avatar
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      11-24-2007 10:36 PM #1
      that's right!
      are you tired of throwing your key into the ign lock cylinder and turning it...only to be disappointed by the lack of startage of your motAr?
      ...of having to reset the key to the 'off' position and trying to restart again.. only to be greeted by blinking LEDs in your instrument cluster?
      ...of having to crank your key extra h-a-r-d to get your rocc to rumble?
      if ^this^ sounds like you, then read on my brethren and sis(tren)...for i have a cure for you!

      as stated above...my ignition switch had been starting to give me fits lately. basically i was tired of the car not firing on the first crank of the key. the lock cylinder on the column was working perfectly. the problem lay with the electrical portion of the switch...a problem i have experienced before.

      so let's begin shall we? (pay note to the time on my dash clock )
      sit in front of your steering wheel and admire it for a sec...less time if yours is less savory to look at:

      remove the center pad with a small s/driver etc...it pries right up. you'll be looking at this:


      that large nut at the center? it's a:

      [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]
      remove steering wheel and fastening hardware and reserve for later...you'll be looking like this:

      loosen the 3 screws (10,2 and 6 o'clock) that secure your t/s and wiper switches to the column.
      cool.
      go underneath the column so's you can locate the 2 screws that affix the upper/lower column trim. remove them:

      remove the lower cover and set it aside. now you have access to the harness connections @ the ign switch, wiper switch and t/s switch:

      disconnect them and let them hang out of the way. pull your t/s and wiper switches off the column as a unit and set them aside.
      now...you need to drop the column a lil bit so's you can remove the upper trim from the column. there are 4 allen-headed screws that hold the column to the water-box area of the car. loosen them, but do not remove them. there are 2 down near the bottom of the column and 2 up top:

      with all 4 screws backed off, you can rap down on the end of the column w/ your palm and make it drop...so you can now remove the upper cover:

      now you should look like this:

      remove the allen bolt visible to left in the pic ^above^. you'll note the large nylon black bushing/sleeve on the steering column...it has to come off. with a pair of channel-locks, you gan grip the sleeve lightly and twist it in a ccw motion while pulling it out towards you:

      a couple a turns and you should be good-ta-go. [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]
      with that sleeve outta the way, the lock housing is free to come off of the column, IF you remember to insert your key and unlock the steering column first:

      if you tap lightly on the backside of the housing, the whole deal will slide off the end of the column:

      the frontside will look like so:

      work the housing off the column and you'll look like this:

      the notch to the left btw? it is what 'locks' your steering wheel when you remove the key and 'click' the s/wheel til it locks in place:

      thanks to this little plunger, which retracts when the key is inserted and the cylinder is turned:

      a look down into the housing shows us the screw that secures the ignition switch to the housing...the whole reason we're doing all this work anyways:

      remove that screw and withdraw your switch. you should be looking at the end of the ignition lock tumbler like so:

      see how the end of it is somewhat 'key'-shaped? this is designed to mate snugly with the nose of the ignition switch:

      over time the harder metal of the tumbler erodes the plastic of the softer switch. note how w-i-d-e the lower portion of the keyway is here:

      the extra clearance between the tumbler and the switch is what was causing my switch reach a dead spot...the tumbler could turn no further, and the switch was not fully thrown as a result. [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]
      eureka!
      we have found our problem.
      new switch vs old switch:


      be careful you don't lose this lil bugger of a fine-threaded 3mm screw either. it holds the switch in the housing:

      reassembly is the reverse of removal.
      so with your new switch secured with that tricksy screw, insert the key into the lock cylinder and twist it to the 'on' position...this will retract that lil plunger again:

      so's you can align the groove in the column with the plunger on the housing:

      you tap the housing back into place on the end of the column far enough to allow you to align the securing allen-headed bolt, and re tighten it. reinstall the plastic bushing at center with the channel-locks opposite of how you removed it.
      replace your harness connections to the t/s switch first... reinstall the switch ass'y to the end of the column. secure the 3 screws. slide upper column trim into place and bolt up the 4 screws you only loosened to drop the drop the column earlier.
      everything back in place before securing the lower colum trim:

      realign your s/wheel to where it was before you removed it (you DID record that somewhere, right?). if not...eyeball it.
      install s/wheel and secure that center nut. install s/wheel center pad.

      yer done!
      now go pick up your ever-loving tools and clean up your workspace!
      go throw the key and revel in how smartly your car now turns over on the first try.

      note the elapsed time on the dash clock:

      57 mins from start to finish!
      so if this problem has been buggering you for awhile, ask yourself this: can't you spare an hour for your scirocco?



      Modified by ginster86roc at 9:43 PM 11-24-2007
      i good vibes... and sciroccos.
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      11-24-2007 10:47 PM #2
      Ummm 2 Q's.
      1) was it AM to start & PM at the end?
      Forget it. I forgot the other question.....
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      11-24-2007 10:51 PM #3
      Quote, originally posted by ginster86roc »
      reassembly is the reverse of removal.

      ... or is it the other way around?
      Nice write up man, love the details, love the pictures! [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]
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      11-24-2007 11:01 PM #4
      Well done, sir. Well done.

    7. 11-24-2007 11:21 PM #5
      Great job Carl [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]
      should make a tech note for future reference

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      11-24-2007 11:24 PM #6
      As always, Carl, you are awesome. I love the SUPER ULTRA MACRO shots!

      Quote, originally posted by 53BGTX »
      should make a tech note for future reference

      Can I? Can I? Can I?

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      11-24-2007 11:28 PM #7
      Quote, originally posted by timbo2132 »
      Can I? Can I? Can I?

      surely.
      and yes...i called you shirley, timbo.
      i good vibes... and sciroccos.
      Quote Originally Posted by sciroccojim
      Yes. Follow the adjustment procedure in the Bentley. Works like "magic."

      Quote Originally Posted by punchbug
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      11-24-2007 11:48 PM #8
      Surely You're Joking, Mr. Ginster!

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      11-25-2007 01:24 AM #9
      so is that 57 minutes start to finish taking at least 30 pictures along the way? So theoretically, one could do this procedure in half the time if cameras were not involved? I keep a spare in my glovebox.
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      11-25-2007 01:34 AM #10
      That technote is now ON DA INTERNETS!
      http://www.vwctech.com/2007/re...witch/
      http://www.vwctech.com
      EDIT: See, it took an hour an 46 minutes to post the technote But I was playing Bowling on the Nintendo Wii at the same time.


      Modified by timbo2132 at 12:38 AM 11-25-2007

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      11-25-2007 03:00 AM #11
      While we're on this subject, I have a question about my ignition. About every 10th time I go to start my car, my LEDs will come on like normal, but will completely go out while the starter is cranking the engine. When this happens and all the LEDs go out, it does not matter how long I continue to crank the engine. It WILL NOT fire. So, when this happens, every time I see the LEDs go out as soon as I bump the starter, I immediatley stop, switch off the key, turn it forward again, and repeat (provided the LEDs come on again while cranking like normal).
      Is this an indication that the electrical switch is bad? I've been thinking that's got to be it, but it always still sends power to my starter, regardless of whether the LEDs are on or not. The car just won't run when they are out (like it has no power for fuel pump, fuel distributor, etc.).
      Very nice, detailed write-up! I am happy it is also in Timbo's technotes because if this is the problem with my car, now I know it's not as difficult as I thought it would be to take care of it! Thanks! [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]
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      11-25-2007 10:35 AM #12
      Yeah, I would guess that it's your switch, or possibly the wiring going to it - like in the plug. Rule is though - replace the switch first, then mess with wiring.

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      11-25-2007 12:31 PM #13
      Great tech writeup Carl...I have to do this to my car soon as my lights, wiper and fan blower sometimes don't work unless I jiggle the key (or even sometimes restart the car to get the connection).
      Quick question...is this essentially the same as a MK1 fix, perhaps with a few differences removing the trim covers?

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      11-25-2007 12:46 PM #14
      Quote, originally posted by petebee »
      Quick question...is this essentially the same as a MK1 fix, perhaps with a few differences removing the trim covers?

      Yes, in a Mk1 - even the trim is VERY similar. Only the 75s may have different stuffs because of the odd style turn signal switches.

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      11-25-2007 03:31 PM #15
      Yo, Timbo! I just remembered that you never added the "re-key lock cylinders" to the technotes. Let me know if you need a link to the original forum post.
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      11-26-2007 01:13 PM #16
      That sir is a great tech note if I ever saw one before.....
      Hmmmm I have to tech note something soon.... [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]
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      12-11-2007 11:55 AM #17
      thanks for the info.

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      12-11-2007 02:44 PM #18
      one more thing on the list of repairs
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    21. 12-11-2007 03:02 PM #19
      Well played!!! [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

      The only thing I feel you might have ommitted is the steering wheel removal.
      They dont always pop right off when you remove the nut. Savy? Also, not everyone has a removal tool and in the heat of battle........
      So what I do is get my feet up on the brake pedal and using my knees on the steering wheel (and avoiding the turn signal and wiper arms) I put firm pressure on the back of the steering wheel. (Point your toes girls!)
      Then, I reinstall the nut so that it almost fully covers the threads on the steering shaft. Leave some of the nut (1 thread is sufficient) exposed so the nut and the shaft makes a sort of cup. Finally, with 2 ball peen hammers, I put the ball of one in the cup and the second one I give a sharp strike to the other hammer. (no, they wont explode, go away. )
      Wheel comes up. remove the nut and its off. The nut keeps the shaft from deforming or damaging the threads which makes installation a breeeeeeeez! [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emgift.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emgift.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emgift.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emgift.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emgift.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emgift.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emgift.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emgift.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emgift.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emgift.gif[/IMG]
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      12-11-2007 03:25 PM #20
      [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG] excellent write up, and some super fotos included.


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      12-11-2007 04:18 PM #21
      Bravo.
      I replaced one about 14 years ago using a Chilton's manual as a guide and your explanation was dead on. [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]
      At the same time I also had to do the 1/8” hole deal 1/2" down and 1/4” over to remove my lock cylinder….. that was fun.

    24. 11-28-2008 05:45 AM #22
      thanks alot for this! I've done this on my corrado about 5 times, but opened up my friend's scirocco and it was a bit different. This helped alot! AWESOME

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      11-28-2008 09:37 AM #23
      Quote, originally posted by RoccoRacer »
      so is that 57 minutes start to finish taking at least 30 pictures along the way? So theoretically, one could do this procedure in half the time if cameras were not involved? I keep a spare in my glovebox.

      Probably. I've done this procedure more times than I care to count, and it can be done in 20 minutes if you're quick.
      Excellent write-up Carl!

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      01-28-2014 10:43 AM #24
      So I know the answer to my question but I'll ask it anyhow for verification.

      Key turn to engage engine, No pump priming, no starter turning, but relays clicking.... ignition switch? re-position key, turn to on, get pump prime (buzzz bezzz)....
      ignition switch right?

      man this cold is making stuff creep up!

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      01-30-2014 10:43 AM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by Neptuno View Post
      So I know the answer to my question but I'll ask it anyhow for verification.

      Key turn to engage engine, No pump priming, no starter turning, but relays clicking.... ignition switch? re-position key, turn to on, get pump prime (buzzz bezzz)....
      ignition switch right?

      man this cold is making stuff creep up!

      thanks,
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      So my assumptions are correct?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Mtl-Marc View Post
      The engine does not need oil, it runs on awesomeness.
      Quote Originally Posted by Eistreiber View Post
      And coyotes are actually pretty cool to get along with if you don't mess with 'em.

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