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    1. Member ginster86roc's Avatar
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      12-02-2007 04:10 PM #1
      inspired to the post by this thread. [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]
      i had actually done the work the night prior to ^that^ thread, and had thought to myself: how uncanny izzat?
      any rate...let's describe the symptoms, shall we?
      does your:
      - steering wheel move up and down with an annoying clunk-clunk?
      - steering effort seem to b-i-n-d in the parking lot sometimes? <--manual steering need only reply here.
      - loose steering column rattle and set forth vibrations felt throughout the pedal cluster?
      well, over time my car's feel had deteriorated. the steering was 'off' but i wasn't sure why. i checked tire pressures, t/r/ends, etc.
      and then one day it was as if the bottom of the coulmn had fallen loose. indeed it had.
      a pic taken in a mirror looking back up at the column. you can see where the needle bearing had worked down, while the column was dangling freely in space. only to set up vibrations in the car that i could swear i could feel in my fillings.

      so i consulted ETKA at work and ordered a new bearing for the column tube...

      and a new race for the actual steering column...which would turn out to be my real problem. [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

      (if you'll recall this thread of mine earlier, you'll wanna begin there and do all it mentions to remove the ignition switch lock housing
      from the steering column tube. [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG])

      continuing on then...
      locate the two allen-headed bolts towards the bottom of the column and undo them.
      follow the steering column down the the u-joint and undo that 13mm.

      remove the bolt and with some wiggling, the column should free from the end of the u-joint shaft by pulling the column ass'y towards the back of the car.
      undo your spring that clamps the column tube to the pedal cluster...

      and the column ass'y should now be free to remove from the car. be mindful of your wiring harnesses and grounds while extracting the tube.
      end-on shot showing just how bad things had gotten...

      my removed and set-aside switches...

      and lock cylinder h'sng...

      this is the steering column stripped of its' tube. it is a 2-piece, telescoping unit, with the slpined half on the left sliding into the lock cyl h'sng end on the right...

      my problem was with the inner bearing race that is pressed onto the column. mine had rotted with age and had actually started to crumble...

      as a result, over time... that inner race had walked itself up the steering column, little by little...turn after turn. until finally it had walked up so high that it had freed itself from the outer needle-bearing race in the tube.
      bam ^there's your problem^. [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]
      yummy...

      so i searched the garage for a suitable length of pipe to use as a drift to drive out the needle bearing. what to do? i ended up using (and i isht you not) the lower half of my cincy/carshow/beach umbrella...whose diameter fit the race nicely. a couple taps with a hammer and out it came. [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

      you can see ^above^ where my needle bearing had actully slipped downwards...indicated by the distinct line of the discolored area vs the more 'white' area as compared to the new bearing in the background.
      to install the new needle bearing, i simply placed the bearing on the carpet...stood the tube atop it, and smacked the end of the tube w/a hammer a couple times til the needle bearing was flush with the end of the tube. oh...and i held a wooden block atop the tube to avoid deforming it with hammer blows. [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]
      the inner race on the column was installed using a large deep-welled socket as a drift to drive the race into place on the column. a nice snug fit was my reward after a couple taptaptaps with the hammer.
      i did a couple test fits before i got the location of the race just so. <--by that, i mean: i had to grab the tube and reinstall the lock h'sng end and pull the column down into the tube (as if it were assembled) to see if the race was at the proper 'depth' so's to be fully contacting the needle bearing.
      once you've got the inner race on the column where ya want it you *must* be sure to install the column with the notched-out splined end in the proper orientation for mating with the u-joint shaft:

      once you're sure of the line-up of things, g'head and reinstall the housing and lock it down. now you have fixed the length of your column and eliminated any end play...there should be none.

      ^almost like a radial shaft seal in its' tightness. [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]
      it helps to prise open the clamping end of the ujoint shaft a bit before attempting to slide the column back in place...a little lube wouldn't hurt either.
      if you oriented things properly when putting on the lock housing then everything should drop back into place like a hot......well...you know.
      finish the rest of the install as per that linked thread at the beginning of this thread and you should be golden.

      total elapsed time for me in the garage with common hand tools (and an umbrella): 1 hour.
      happy tinkering. [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]



      Modified by ginster86roc at 4:11 PM 12-2-2007
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      Quote Originally Posted by sciroccojim
      Yes. Follow the adjustment procedure in the Bentley. Works like "magic."

      Quote Originally Posted by punchbug
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      12-02-2007 04:37 PM #2
      awesome. another great ginster write up. i smell an faq modification
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      12-02-2007 04:38 PM #3
      [QUOTE=ginster86roc]
      total elapsed time for me in the garage with common hand tools (and an umbrella): 1 hour.
      happy tinkering. [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]
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      I think I am going to bookmark everything that has "ginster" in it.
      Nicely done Karl.
      I KNOW this one is on the need to do list.
      Thanks!
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      12-02-2007 06:06 PM #4
      awesome write up!!!

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      12-02-2007 06:38 PM #5
      This thread is now a GINSTERTECHNOTE!!

      http://www.vwctech.com/2007/st...rings/
      MUAHAHAH!!
      Great write-up, Carl!!


      Modified by timbo2132 at 9:39 PM 12-2-2007

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      12-02-2007 06:39 PM #6
      If only we had a parts man like you Carl!!
      .....sigh I had to explain to both of mine (back counter and front) the chassis designation codes!
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      12-02-2007 07:28 PM #7
      Beautiful writeup Carl. I really need to do this on my car. It's always had a tiny little bit of play because the bottom bearing is completely gone (the cage of the bearing is dangling around the base of the column), but the last couple of days it's gotten much worse so I'm going to be doing this real soon.
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    10. 12-02-2007 07:42 PM #8
      Saved.... I need to do this eventually. The hose clamp is working good for now.

    11. 12-02-2007 10:28 PM #9
      Thanks. That is a lot more comprehensive than the attempt I made to explain a "repair" in the original thread.

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      12-02-2007 10:53 PM #10
      I need to do this, like, yesterday. I wish it was Saturday and sunny.
      Thanks for another great contribution, Carl. [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]
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      12-03-2007 12:03 AM #11
      Mmmm...the Cure and Mazzy Star.
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      12-03-2007 02:15 PM #12
      Anybody know if this is going to be different when you're talking about power steering vs. manual steering?
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      12-03-2007 06:47 PM #13
      Quote, originally posted by scirocco*joe &raquo;
      Anybody know if this is going to be different when you're talking about power steering vs. manual steering?

      No difference....
      Mine is held into the bottom of the column with a zip tie. It has been there for years....out of sight out of mind.
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    16. 12-03-2007 06:51 PM #14
      bump for ginster! muahaha i found that my bearing just popped out and slid down to the u-joint, i used a hose clamp to hold it up in there, works fine and no more clunk-clunk

    17. 12-03-2007 08:11 PM #15
      nice one... we always just took a hose clamp to keep that bearing up in there. However, I need to replace the guide as well.
      thanks for the write up.. !
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      its not your car...

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      12-03-2007 08:53 PM #16
      ginster - check yo' IM's.

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      12-04-2007 03:08 PM #17
      Quote, originally posted by G-rocco &raquo;
      ginster - check yo' IM's.

      Double double.
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      12-04-2007 05:20 PM #18
      My steering wheel was wobbling after I picked it up for the body shop. I was the thrust washer(175 419 341 A) at the top of the shaft. A little round piece of plastic. Don't forget to replace that, it was like $6 from the dealer.
      BTW, grease the crap out of it, in order to drive it into the bearing. Lubrication makes everything better.


      Modified by CALAWAYMK2 at 10:27 PM 12-4-2007

    21. 12-04-2007 05:32 PM #19
      Quote, originally posted by CALAWAYMK2 &raquo;
      ..... Lubrication makes everything better.

      yes it does [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emlove.gif[/IMG]
      Quote Originally Posted by Amsterdam087 View Post
      its not your car...

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      12-04-2007 06:45 PM #20
      Quote, originally posted by mr lee &raquo;
      yes it does [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emlove.gif[/IMG]

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      12-04-2007 06:58 PM #21
      Quote, originally posted by G-rocco &raquo;
      ginster - check yo' IM's.

      Quote, originally posted by scirocco*joe &raquo;
      Double double.


      done...and did. [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]
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      Quote Originally Posted by sciroccojim
      Yes. Follow the adjustment procedure in the Bentley. Works like "magic."

      Quote Originally Posted by punchbug
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      12-04-2007 06:59 PM #22
      Quote, originally posted by mr lee &raquo;
      yes it does [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emlove.gif[/IMG]

      ^^
      i good vibes... and sciroccos.
      Quote Originally Posted by sciroccojim
      Yes. Follow the adjustment procedure in the Bentley. Works like "magic."

      Quote Originally Posted by punchbug
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      12-26-2007 02:08 PM #23
      URGENT!
      To anyone who's taken upong themselves to take this project on. I'm in the midst of the reinstallation process and I cannot get the steering column realigned.
      If I attach the clamp at the u-joint first, I can't slide the column far enough to the rear of the car to secure the 4 bolts to the car.
      If I secure the column to the car, I can't get the u-joint to clamp onto the steering column.
      It's a Scirocco Catch-22.
      Anyone have any insight?
      In other news, they are building new condos down the street and they've put up NO PARKING signs on my street, conveniently enough, my car is disabled, and on the same very street.
      Any help would be appreciated! [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]
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      12-26-2007 05:20 PM #24
      Situation update:
      Actually, much of the same. I've taken in apart and put it back together about three times, to no avail.
      Currently, the u-joint is clamped down:

      However, the column itself is about a half inch short from fitting into the slot at the pedal cluster.

      I've tried every trick to gain enough leverage to get it into place, but I'm not interested in heaving too hard. After all, it shouldn't take that much force to get it in place.
      I've tried putting it back together in either order, but nothing seems to work. It's like the column was shortened and I can't get it to reach.
      Any other ideas? This is why the urgency:

      I talked to the Police today, and they're trying to be kind to me, but if the trucks moving in building supplies can't get by my car, they're going to send the tow truck.
      Thanks, all.
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      12-27-2007 12:45 AM #25
      shouldn't be that hard joe...

      i slipped the column shaft into the u-joint, and then hoisted the tube up to align the 4 bolts after...no probs w/ alignment.
      *shrug*
      i good vibes... and sciroccos.
      Quote Originally Posted by sciroccojim
      Yes. Follow the adjustment procedure in the Bentley. Works like "magic."

      Quote Originally Posted by punchbug
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