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      03-14-2009 10:09 PM #1
      So I took apart a spare OEM proportioning valves as a trial.
      In the past I have found these get filled with gunk and crud, so disassembly, contact cleaner and re-assembly does help.
      Anyhow here's what it looks like:





      Last edited by dalba4; 08-21-2010 at 08:51 PM.

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      03-16-2009 04:52 PM #2
      Interesting, I've never seen one apart before...

      I wonder if there will be any improvement on pedal feel when you are done...

      Also, would anyone care to comment on whether you should remove these if you have the 16V proportioning valves on the car too? I don't know the part pictured above becomes redundant, or if it is needed too.

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      03-16-2009 09:29 PM #3
      Can't believe this doesn't deserve comment.
      Sell your VW, buy a Saab. They are way more fun.

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      03-16-2009 10:35 PM #4
      Thank you for the pix and info!
      I will def be rebuilding my prop valve now since you posted some pix and info!

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      03-17-2009 06:21 AM #5
      Quote, originally posted by dalba4 »
      Can't believe this doesn't deserve comment.


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      03-17-2009 11:23 AM #6
      how it feel? i have replaced every thing but brake lines and cleaning that valve....and i still have the same ****ty brake pedal....imm excited for updates
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      03-18-2009 11:58 PM #7
      Still on the todo.
      I'm telling you it's this stupid prop valve, if I can figure out the hyd seals, or if the guy who sent me an IM can figure that out we'd be in business for a full kit.
      The rebuild kit would be just seals, I'd leave the bores on this alone. There are three o ring seals that seal the nuts at the end, those are easy and have little affect on the system except to keep fluid in.
      The hydraulic seals that go around the little red pistons will have worn on the OD so direct measurement wouldn't provide appropriate part.
      Gunna check Mcmasters and see if there any little hyd seals for the pistons.
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      03-19-2009 12:05 AM #8
      Never run two Prop valves in series. It will cause major problems.

    10. 03-19-2009 08:28 PM #9
      This is great! I have the same issue with my '76, I just don't like how the pedal goes to the floor. Thanks for the post and will be checking this one often... [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]
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      03-20-2009 12:09 AM #10
      I just want to comment about the red anodizing.

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      03-20-2009 04:33 PM #11
      i'm having the same trouble on my mk 2 jetta... i really hope this fixes your problem because it should fix mine too!
      thanks for the hard work
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      I cant believe after all that, you still have the "la cuka racha" plug still in your fuse box!!!

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      03-20-2009 11:38 PM #12
      Ill work on the o-ring sizes asap.

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      04-06-2009 05:13 PM #13
      ttt...anything on this yet?
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      04-06-2009 07:39 PM #14
      I just received my xtra valve. I will be tearing the old one apart and get some sizes soon.

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      05-25-2009 06:37 PM #15
      for all of you with a low brake pedal
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      think that might be your issue
      look to a new brake booster [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]
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      08-21-2010 08:52 PM #16
      Bump updated photo links.

      Had to take the proportioning valve apart on the car to finish a brake bleed.

      Couldn't find these photos for a little while, so updated the links.

    18. 08-21-2010 09:19 PM #17
      Thanks for the pics.

      On the o-ring issue, make replacements are brake fluid compatable rubber, usually EPDM is used. Nitrile are Viton are no-no's.

      If re-using the rubber parts, don't use regular solvents to clean them or the rubber will be damaged. Alcohol or brake fluid would be ok.


      I am curious if there are other numbers are stamped on the housing, besides the part number.
      Last edited by chickenfriend; 03-28-2011 at 07:56 AM.

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      08-21-2010 09:59 PM #18
      GOD DEAL cause you can NOT get these anymore. I was about to run aftermarket inline ones

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      08-22-2010 08:10 PM #19
      Worst case run the cabby residual valves. look same as 16V ****rocco, different spring inside.

      The first time I ran into this was with an RX-7 GSL-SE. couldn't get the rear to bleed.

      My dad had a budy who had been wrenching on bikes for like 30 years. anyhow he says yank the OE proportioning valve off, let's take it apart and clean it.

      I didn't know how but this guy did, learned some good technique and to not be scared on hydraulic crap.

      anyhow, that came in handy again with the truck yesterday, one side was fine, the other wouldn't bleed or power bleed. cracked that offending side open, cleaned, re-assembled. finished bleeding.

      I never did look into getting new o-rings, but unless they're cut they shouldn't pose a problem. hell used one prolly work fine as well.

    21. 02-02-2011 09:23 PM #20
      Anyone following this thread here's my valve pictures from a 93 Civic.

      http://picasaweb.google.com/11106573...rtioningValve#

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      02-03-2011 11:26 AM #21
      I think this type of valve is only found on US-built rabbits, all the others have the rear-beam mounted prop valves. Switching from one to the other would mean new brake lines from the MC to the (now) beam-mounted prop valve; PIA! Also, this has the brake differential switch in it too.

      I was having problems with mine; it was frozen up and totally blocking fluid to the rears (I plugged the fronts at the MC, and the brake pedal was rock-hard with no action to the rears). I went through two of others before I found one that was fully functional.

      A rebuild kit would be great, however may introduce severe liability issues were it to fail...

    23. 03-26-2011 05:56 PM #22
      Just a heads up for all those that need to work on the brake pressure regulator , there is a different part number for cars and trucks, no idea what the difference maybe, but the car regulator has superceded from 179612151 to 841612151 which was also discontinued in 2002. The pickup part number is 179612151A. I had located a sedan model pressure regulator, and noticed the different pn right before I installed it, I wouldn't mind the difference in pn but the rabbit pickups do have larger rear drums, now I'm wondering if it will cause issues.
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    24. 03-26-2011 09:54 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by vwconejo View Post
      mind the difference in pn but the rabbit pickups do have larger rear drums, now I'm wondering if it will cause issues.
      If the valves are stamped with break and slope, that is an easy way to match up valves. If the numbers are identical, the valves should act the same, as my understanding.

      I don't know if the VW proportioning valves are stamped, but it is worth a look. There may be some information in the Bentley manual.

      A stamp of 3 .25, for example, would indicate the break at 300 psi and a slope of .25.

      Most proportioning valves fall between a slope of .25 and .50. after the break point.
      Last edited by chickenfriend; 03-28-2011 at 07:47 AM.

    25. 03-27-2011 11:17 PM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by chickenfriend View Post
      If the valves are stamped with break and slope, that is an easy way to match up valves. If the numbers are identical, the valves should act the same, as my understanding.

      I don't know if the VW proportioning valves are stamped, but it is worth a look. There may be some information in the Bentley manual.

      A stamp of 3 .25, for example, would indicate the break at 300 psi and a slope of .25.

      Most proportioning valves fall between a slope of .25 and .50.

      Yes, I have trouble spelling proportion vs porportion.
      Didn't notice any stampings, but the part number does indicate a difference for the pickup model. Heads up for all those who clean the pressure regulator, once you reinstall it make sure you get fluid through the regulator as one side did not want to bleed, I had the pressure bleeder installed and had to crack open the line on the bottom of the regulator to allow the air to escape, then bled the system again. I couldn't figure out why the one rear line wasn't bleeding at all, air was stuck at the pressure regulator and once I bled the air out, it worked just fine.
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    26. 03-28-2011 07:28 AM #25
      The Bentley manual, under "To test a brake proportioning valve", states that there is a difference in pressure ranges between the cars and trucks.

      While the Bentley doesn't specifically indicate the break and slope points, it does give data for two line pressure points for diagnostic testing of the proportioning valve. The trucks have different range, although there is a fair amount of overlap between the two ranges.

      At a 725 psi line pressure, the pressure at the brake cylinder for cars, excluding the 1982 Scirocco, should be 420-536 psi; for trucks, 478 to 594 psi.

      At a line pressure of 1,450 psi, the pressure at the brake cylinder should be 681-884 psi for cars (except the 1982 Scirocco), while the trucks should be 739-884 psi.

      For the higher pressure point, my math indicates a slope of .47-.61 for cars and .51-.61 for trucks. One would need more data to find the break point and determine is the slope is linear after the break point; this might be useful information to someone intending to install aftermarket proportioning valves.

      The preceeding information only applies to Sciroccos and on 1981 and later US-built pickup trucks and Rabbits.

      For all other mk1's, VW used an user-adjustable, load-sensing pressure regulator. Likewise, the Bentley shows different ranges for the rear cylinder pressure depending on whether it is a car or truck.
      Last edited by chickenfriend; 03-28-2011 at 12:55 PM.

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