Obama said go green....so USP went green! (E85 Content)

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First let me start off this post by saying I do not wish to hear any urban legends as to ethanol and E85 destroying fuel lines, motors, injectors, or fuel pumps. They are exactly that, urban legends with no truth to them when it comes to modern cars.
Recently we have had great success running E85 in our shop cars including our 700whp 10 second Porsche 996TT and our 750+whp 8 second Evo8. So, we decided to convert the first FSI to run on E85 ethanol. The advantages of running ethanol over traditional fuel are extensive and include a cleaner and cooler burn in the combustion chamber which translates to the ability to run high compression, high boost, and lots of ignition timing... a recipe for lots of horsepower. Not to mention $1.69 a gallon, that harnesses more power then race fuels available for $25+ a gallon. Preliminary tuning is being carried out as we speak (Thanks [email protected]), and dyno numbers will be available within the next week. New modifications performed to support ethanol include: a cast aluminum intake manifold incorporating (4) 1000cc fuel injectors, injectors are controlled via a 034 motorsports ecu (thanks [email protected]), (2) Bosch Motorsports fuel pumps, and a custom fuel surge tank which incorporates the pumps mounting brackets.
Filling up at the E85 Pump

Stealth

What lies beneath.

Aluminum intake manifold

Injectors and fuel rail mounted.

[Murder'd]

Wow! So it is no longer direct injection? Very cool none the less, ethanol is the fuel of the future for those of us who want to go fast.

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[GolfRS]

So let me get this straight...
You ditched direct injection ?? OMFG....
"One small step for man......BLA BLA BLA...."


Modified by GolfRS at 1:57 AM 3-24-2009

[crew219]

Interesting intake manifold . . . . does it still retain the flaps?
Dave

[crew219]

Quote, originally posted by GolfRS »

So let me get this straight... You ditched direct injection ?? OMFG.... "One small step for man......BLA BLA BLA...." Modified by GolfRS at 1:57 AM 3-24-2009

I think he is doing dual port injection. It appears from the pictures that the upper fuel rail is purely pressurized by the LPFP whereas the FSI injectors are still driven by the HPFP.
Dave

[whizbang18T]

sweet ... so it still uses the hpfp?
1.8t fuel rail?


Modified by whizbang18T at 6:05 PM 3/23/2009

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Quote, originally posted by crew219 »

I think he is doing dual port injection. It appears from the pictures that the upper fuel rail is purely pressurized by the LPFP whereas the FSI injectors are still driven by the HPFP. Dave

you are correct, we are still using the fsi injectors driven off the hpfp and the port injectors are driven from the low pressure fuel system. The manifold did come with aluminum flaps in it, but we took them out.

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[OOOO-A3]

Does this make it E85-only? Or is it effectlvely "flex-fuel"?
What would the cost of this setup be?

[Issam Abed]

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[TheBox]

Very interesting guys, Wish you guys best of luck. looks like USP and JC are going to be fighting for the number one spot.. oh and 10's.
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Very interesting guys, Wish you guys best of luck. looks like USP and JC are going to be fighting for the number one spot.. oh and 10's. [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

no fighting needed 10 second cars are jokes compared to other imports i am interested in the e85 setup it is pretty cool i have never learned anything about it though since the stuff is not available around here

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the car technically is "flex-fuel" it will run on e85 or regular gasoline

[LEWXCORE]

Don't evo's make crazy power (like 450+)WHP on e85 conversions on their stock turbos??
What kind of power are fsi's able to make on e85 on stock turbos?

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Quote, originally posted by LEWXCORE »

Don't evo's make crazy power (like 450+)WHP on e85 conversions on their stock turbos?? What kind of power are fsi's able to make on e85 on stock turbos?

yes evo's do make that on stock 9 turbo's
no one has done a e85 setup yet on a stock turbo car. I would guess like 270whp if done right.

[MKII420]

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[GolfRS]

Is that manifold available (or will it be at some point) ?
For those of us that don't wanna run ethanol, but are looking for something that flows better ?

[LEWXCORE]

Quote, originally posted by [email protected] »

yes evo's do make that on stock 9 turbo's no one has done a e85 setup yet on a stock turbo car. I would guess like 270whp if done right.

well that's really lame. I guess k03's are too small for any fun. I'm making about that with a tweek and water/meth.

[gtiiiiiiii]

Quote, originally posted by LEWXCORE »

well that's really lame. I guess k03's are too small for any fun. I'm making about that with a tweek and water/meth.

Do you have a dyno?
This is interesting to see. Honestly this would really help the problem with deposits on the valves. I was wondering when someone would start tinkering with E85 and FSI.

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Quote, originally posted by GolfRS »

Is that manifold available (or will it be at some point) ? For those of us that don't wanna run ethanol, but are looking for something that flows better ?

No, and this particular manifold will never be available.

[$GTI07$]

Will you guys make make a e85 kit for the mkv?

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Quote, originally posted by $GTI07$ »

Will you guys make make a e85 kit for the mkv?

it would be cool, the hardest part about it would be the design of an intake mani that will fit nice

[MFZERO]

neat!
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[Audi4u]

I told someone to do this over a year ago, I just can't remember who it was.........lol
edit: (the manifold not the e85)